Ah ok ta!
this guy is Passion4FM , he has putted this tactic here also.
I recently started a save with Shaktar cos of the fact that they are toploaded with young talent and that they have a lot of money and I wanted to buy CONCA, THIAGO NEVES and MONTILLO (Cruzeiro) to use together from the start. I did and ended up with a frighteningly talented squad especially from mf upwards. I have the expected team cohesion problems (esp cos of the many nationalities and languages). I got drawn with Juventus, Chelsea and Malaga in the CL and in my first match I faced Juventus away who line up in a 352 formation. I tried to exploit the wing backs/lack of fbs/three cbs by changing my tactics to try to exploit the space behind them (wbs) but failed losing 1-0. Malaga beat Chelsea 3-1 in the other match which makes it even more difficult for me now btw.
I started preparing early for the Juventus match by having my players train in the new tactics I devised but my failure to win reminded me of the issue about wing backs which I previously raised in this thread. So I asked through a pm for help/ideas from the great RAIKAN and this is what he had to say (tweaked by yours truly):
-Things to consider when lining up against teams that use wingbacks:
1) How good are the wbs?
2) Are they more attacking or more defensive (I know wingbacks are meant to be attacking however, I have seen teams like Burnley/West Brom all adopt a 352 type of formation mid game and hence will either use the players they have or make a few changes and teams like that do not normally have very good attacking ones)
(a) If they are quick and agile, good at attacking and are pushing far up the pitch in order to get crosses into the box (Lahm/Evra/Rafael - OR LIKE JUVE IN MY CONUNDRUM), I set my attacking wingers to man mark them (no tight marking) so they end up tracking back and assisting your FB's and end up having a 2v1 situation where you will most likely win back possession.. you need to set your wingers closing down to whole pitch as this also helps when you are chasing the ball down in their half, if the defenders have poor composure and decisions will just end up hoofing the ball back to you!
THIS IS V CLEVER: Also, set your ST to MAN mark so that he puts pressure on the defender in possession and occasionally ends up doing the same thing.
(b) If they are slow and good at defending then I would not stress to much about it as they would most likely be doing it to counter your wingers.. if this is the case, change passing to down both flanks and play a quick tempo direct passing game and set the wingers to run with ball often and cross from byline as to ensure they attempt to take on the WB and hopefully either beating them or getting a free kick which could result in yellow/red cards! I do this often and it works
(c) If they play with WB's who are good like Lahm/Liechtensteiner and play with no wingers (as they do most of the time) (POSSIBLE JUVE SET UP) they play through the middle, I would focus my passing as above (direct/quick tempo etc) but ask the wingers to then cut inside hopefully dragging the WB's in field and having your FB settings to run and cross the ball often (I THINK HE MEANS OVERLAP) as sort of your own wingbacks as this creates a lot of free open space on the flanks for the cross! but you do need good attacking FB's/WB's yourself to take advantage of this as well as having a very good BWM even a DM (OR AN ANCHOR MAN?) to assist on defence if they counter you as they will most likely come through the middle..
This goes beyond what I asked for but it is helpful:
if none of the above works and their wingbacks are really causing you problems, set your wingers to play in the MR/ML roles and have them doing more defensive work than attacking and try and hit them on the counter when they commit too many forward, especially the wing backs: settings for this include:
this will allow them to commit players forward, you sit back, soak up the pressure and when you win the ball back, hit it forward and let your quickest players get into the space the WB's have left, hoping to draw out a CB or two which makes space in the centre which leaves your striker unmarked..
- counter box ticked
- stand off
- zonal marking
- normal defensive line (I THOUGHT DEEP WOULD SUIT BETTER THIS SET UP ...)
- direct passing
- quick temp
- focus passing down both flanks
- using shouts: exploit flanks/pass into space/run at defence/clear ball to flanks
I know this has got nothing with FM13 but I cudnt resist!
Joe Kinnear might be unwell. We might be dreadful people for laughing at him. But, as Newcastle have apparently given him a job that would seem to indicate all/most of his mental faculties are there, and thus it's OK to mock him.
Kinnear spoke to SHOUTsport on Monday evening. You'll almost certainly be aware of this, and you may have listened to the whole thing, shifting uncomfortably in your seat while doing so.
If not, there are a few bits we'd like to highlight. The italics are Kinnear's comments, the following text is what we'd like to call 'reality'.
"Derek Llambezee was the director of football. Derek has resigned now."
He's talking about Derek Llambias, who according to The Daily Telegraph, is Newcastle's managing director and has never been director of football.
"Where have these people been - have they been on another planet? I have played in five cup finals, I have won the lot. I had over 400 games for Tottenham Hotspur, been manager of the year three times. I have travelled all over the world as a manager."
Kinnear was LMA manager of the year once, in 1994. He has received several manager of the month awards, and perhaps he has his own personal manager of the year award that he dishes out every year. In which case, it's very modest to only have given it to himself three times. Oh, and by 'travelled all over the world as a manager', he means 'I managed India in 1984 and Nepal in 1987.'
"That's the people up there or the people round that area that I have upset and they have a grudge so I expect it. It's water off a duck's ****."
Actually, when the water has travelled off the duck's back, it probably will reach the ****, so we'll give him that one.
"I bought Dean Holdsworth for 50 grand - sold him for £3m. I sold John Scales for £3m - he was a free transfer. I sold Robbie Earle for x, y, z."
Holdsworth was bought for £650,000. Scales cost £70,000. Robbie Earle retired at Wimbledon a year after Kinnear left.
"I think they've got some magnificent midfield players: Tiote. Ben Afri, Yohan Kebab..."
No comment.
"I mean this is a side I haven't had privilege to be with - a lot of players still there that were there when I was still there - I brought Krul to the club and I think he's a terrific goalkeeper."
Tim Krul was recruited from ADO Den Haag in 2006. Kinnear arrived at Newcastle in 2008.
"A lot of players still there that were there when I was still there...Perch is still there."
Perch was bought in the summer of 2010, some 18 months after Kinnear left the first time.
"Shola Amamobi is getting better and better, he's a young kid. Galteirez, and of course a lot of other players."
Getting the names of your own players right probably isn't that important. Oh, and Shola Ameobi is 31. He probably means his younger brother, Sammy.
"I don't know what angle they've got. If they want to sit down and argue with me, some of them are talking out their backsides, a load of tosh and I'm not accepting it. It's as simple as that. I've certainly got more intelligence than them, that's for sure."
This was in response to the question: 'Is there anything you would like to say to the Newcastle fans who perhaps don't don't back this decision?'
It's probably all going to be fine.