MANUMAD'S BOX OF TREATS

Mummy I had 38 shots on goal and 10 ccs yet I lost 1-0 to a team that had 2 shots ...

... its not fair and I want to go home!!!


HERE GOES:


1. You must watch matches on Extended at least (best on comprehensive) to understand whats happening in a match and how to deal with it.

2. Look at opposition reports, opposition squads, previous matches of opposition but especially opposition's league position and reputation - TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER they will attack you OR be happy to sit back give you space in front of them soak the pressure and hit you on the counter. It really is that straightforward: the AI in all matches has these two options and works to exploit space (especially space behind you).

3. The logical outcome of the two ways that the AI will choose to play against you is equally simple: those who attack and press you aim to push you back and restrict space in front of you (but - CRUCIALLY - leave space behind them to be taken advantage of). Those who sit back are happy to give up space in front of them but restrict the possibility of your players finding any space behind them.

4. If you do the background work as above you will be able to predict which of the two options will be used against you so that you can prepare to try and deal with them.

5. As alluded to by the post title, too often I see people coming on fm base to complain that they got beaten by a weak team despite total domination in amatch, having the (far) better players and when I read about their experience I see that they essentially play the same way against all opponents. Or if they dont, they make counterproductive changes.

6. People usually have a tactical setup that is more defensive (counter even) to use against stronger sides or away and a more attacking one to use against the weaker ones. Thats not necessarily the way to go (at least not always).

7. As indicated above, sides who attack you leave acres of space behind them for you to take advantage of. Through balls work better against them for example. But also mentality changes and role changes of a couple of crucial players (eg wingers). If you watch matches properly you ll see whether they tend to attack more from one side (so - aim to exploit it by having players running into the space behind opposition players on that side). You can go more attacking yourself (either as a whole or particular players) but that is risky as it would leave space for the opposition to exploit. Another option would be to sit deep and get them to come forward then fight for the ball, win it and launch quick counters to exploit the space left behind the opposition.

8. But, more to the point, what do you do if a team refuses to come out of its shell and restricts space behind it to be exploited by you? Do you press and attack like **** hoping they'll make a mistake to let you through to score? I sometimes do that myself but if the opposition can retain their shape then you re likely to lose (because you really leave acres and acres of space behind you to be easily exploited), and blame the game when really you should be blaming someone whose name starts with "s" and ends with "elf"! What if you set a trap of your own to lure them out of their shell so that you can find pockets of space behind them to exploit? What if you set your own team to be defensive or with a counter or standard mentality or not use pressing TIs? If you are the better team, they'll see the space in front of them and try to move forward and you can then easily pick them off and use the now exposed space behind them.

9. Dont forget width. You can use it to go "round" players or to restrict space yourself. Dont think that width is only the "play narrower" or "play wider" TIs. Its other things also such as: instructing fbs/wbs to stay wide, using the right mentality (attacking naturally employs wider formation for example), different roles (eg: the Raumdeuter is a space finder ...) etc

10. So what do I do against teams to park the bus? In a simple step by step process:

(a) Start with a standard mentality and a formation which has width (note that formations such as a 4231 with the 3 "AMs" being narrow in the middle (eg SS-EG-SS) can still have width if the players in the fb positions are wbs on attack and if the the two SS are given TIs to run towards the flanks eg by instructing them to man mark opposition fbs).

(b) Watch the match carefully esp the first 15/20 minutes. If you see your players being forced to shoot from distance, have little penetration or keep missing sitters then time to change.

(c) Using the above narrow 4231 formation as an example- push the (currently sitting narrowly) SSs in the AMR and AML positions and turn one into an IF (support) and the other to a WINGER (attack). Have the IF sit narrower and instruct the wb behind him to overlap (TIs stay wide and move further up). At the same time add the play wider TI but also change your own mentality to COUNTER.

(d) Watch match for a while. Do you see any changes in the behaviour of both sets of players? Try to change individual player roles and/or give them additional PIs to press and/or move into channels and/or more direct passes (ie instructions which are designed to exploit space). If not much changes then go DEFENSIVE.

(e) Still cant break them down? In the 50th minute change formation in reaction to the oppositions play till that point.

(f) Still cant break them down? around the 65th minute become more aggressive (eg change mentality to control).

(g) Whatever you do dont play the last 15 minutes of such matches (where you re the much better team pounding the opposition) with attacking and/or overload and with too much pressing as thats when the AI/the game tends to punish you.

(h) Generally be mindful of the need to create movement to stretch opposition.

This wont always succeed but at least it will help you to be able to understand what is really happening in matches and you will be satisfied that you tried, by taking steps, to change stuff to gain advantages.

 
Player attributes for dummies, part 1

Attributes are mentioned in order of importance.

Goalkeepers

1. The most important attribute for a keeper is REFLEXES.
2. Perhaps surprisingly, COMMUNICATION is also very important. If it’s low then you should stayaway from that player. It is strongly linked with Adaptability – one of the hidden player attributes. If the player that you want to sign doesn’t speak the language of your club’s country and your scout tells you he finds it hard to adapt to life in another country then dont purchase.
3.AERIAL ABILITY, AGILITY, ANTICIPATION, COMPOSURE, CONCENTRATION, DECISIONS, JUMPING REACH and POSITIONING.


Central Defenders

1.HEADING, MARKING and TACKLING aren’t as important as most people think. Remember that marking relates to the skill a player has to follow somebody.
2. ANTICIPATION, POSITIONING and WORK RATE are by far the most important attributes imho.
3. ACCELERATION is also v important. As indicated elsewhere in this thread I like pace everywhere relative to position (at least 12 but better 13-16 for cbs).
4.JUMPING REACH, COMPOSURE, BRAVERY and DETERMINATION.


Full Backs/Wing backs

Note: I have noticed that, tactically, full backs/wing backs are perhaps the most important players in a successful tactic plus (or maybe, consequently) they are among the first players to tire.

1. ACCELERATION, PACE, STAMINA, WORK RATE and TEAMWORK.
2. ANTICIPATION, CONCENTRATION.
3. CROSSINGand TACKLING.
4.MARKING.


Defensive Midfielders

1. ANTICIPATION, COMPOSURE, CONCENTRATION, DECISIONS, DETERMINATION, STAMINA and WORK RATE.
2.PASSINGand TACKLING.
3. Decent FLAIR, ACCELERATION and PACE (relative to position).
 
Player attributes for dummies part 2

Attacking Midfielders

1. TECHNIQUE is by far the most important attribute. It is essentially a multiplier of everyother technical attribute. PASSING is the other imperative.
2. DECISIONS, FLAIR, TEAMWORK and VISION.
3. DRIBBLING, FIRST TOUCH,OFF THE BALL, AGILITY, BALANCE, and ANTICIPATION.

Note: A more attacking "AM" role such as a Shadow Striker needs: FINISHING and COMPOSURE.

Also, for a Target Man or similar position, replace ACCELERATION with HEADING and JUMPING REACH .


Wingers

1. DRIBBLING, FIRST TOUCH, TECHNIQUE, OFF THE BALL, ACCELERATION,PACE and AGILITY.
2. COMPOSURE, FLAIR, VISION, PASSING and CROSSING.


Forwards

1.FINISHING, FIRST TOUCH, COMPOSURE,OFF THE BALL and ACCELERATION.
2. AGILITY, ANTICIPATION and CONCENTRATION.

Note: TECHNIQUE works like a multiplier of all the above.


General considerations

DETERMINATION is very important for every player. Players which are highly determined won’t get nervous easily. during matches. Always try building a squad of driven characters, especially if you want to avoid sudden drops in morale and/or form slumps and/or "2nd season syndrome" (see separate previous post on how to avoid 2nd season syndrome).WORK RATE is how much a player will get involved and run for the team.NATURAL FITNESS relates to how fast a player gets fit and stays that way. In essence is a multiplier of STAMINA.
 
Stream of consciousness

  1. Use in-match team talks - they are very effective. Even passionately encouraging every 15 minutes seems to make a difference.
  2. Morale makes more of a big difference. So do team talks yourself, praise your players etc and you'll be surprised.
  3. Manually search the best teams in the world, starting with the best national teams. Look in the U21 squads. You can find a LOT of class players this way esp regens later on in saves.
  4. If you dont want to lose your players DONT react to transfer speculation.
  5. When scouting for players, filter for one technical attribute and see if you can find a player with better mentals. It could make a big difference to the quality of the player you get as mental attributes influence greatly how well a technical attribute is executed.
  6. To evade man marking have players change their position. This may also drag defenders out of position leaving gaps to be exploited.
  7. It is better for an am/cm to arrive late in opposition area. PPM such players with this!
  8. Try mixing up the passing in your team. Having a team build up play at the back with short and slow passing then up front make it quick and direct.
  9. Do NOT let assman take over team talks and/or press conferences. I know they are tedious but they DO make a difference morale wise (MUCH more than you think). As far as talking to the press is concerned its safer to mix it up by choosing ether the 2nd or the 4th option with the 1st sometimes thrown in if merited by the facts.
  10. Dont be afraid to lose. If you re losing or about to play a tough match - just go for it. Attack them and or be aggressive with tackling etc. Its just one match and if you take the shackles off your team may surprise you.
  11. Pay attention to the weather (prediction). Not only for passing but also for gks. GKs will be at risk from wet surface so why not try some quick, long, frequent shots on goal to try to catch opp. gk out?
  12. Think about the mentality of the referee. If he's strict you may consider instructing your players to take it easy with tackling.
  13. Tall players with bad jumping attributes will compensate due to hight.
  14. Understand the following (the theory can be applied to other positions). A lot of people may consider a striker to be weak if he has 14/13 finishing. Thats not necessarily the case. Technical attributes are factored against mental attributes such as composure so if a player with 13/14 finishing has 19/20 composure then he's suddenly not that bad an option.
  15. Your youth team(s) should ideally be playing the same tactics as the first team. This establishes a culture in the club and helps young developing players know the formation so that they ll settle in easily when you want them to play a first team match.
  16. Every season make a couple of tweaks to your tactical set up, especially if there is an upwards jump in your reputation as a club.

NOTE ON IN MATCH TEAM TALKS

I encourage every 15 minutes as a general principle (passionately or assertively). But if by the 30th minute I havent scored Ill demand more (assertively/aggressively depending who opponent is). Even if Im ahead by 1 goal but Im not playing that well Ill (assertively) demand more. If I fall behind - and depending on body language and performance Ill ask passionately/aggressively to show passion or demand more. If I need a goal ill ask to push forward. If I want to protect a lead, the choice is tighten up and/or concentrate.


 
REMEMBER:

THIS IS ALSO AN "ASK UNCLE MAD" TYPE OF THREAD!!!
 
Cheap effective 23 yo at start centre forward: SASSA from Brazil (I think Cruzeiro)
 
NEVER!!

1. Make 3 subsitutions at once -

SI will scream otherwise but Ive seen it too often to be a mere coincidence: usually 3 subs together especially before the 75th minute means one injury!

2. Not use touchline instructions-

Do so every 15/20 minutes depending on how match is going. Or when something serious happens - eg: if you concede a goal aggressively ask to show some passion.


3. Let your assistant handle team talks -

Team talks (including touchline shouts) are one of the most direct ways of affecting morale, which seems to be getting more important with every FM new version.

4. Let your assman handle press conferences

Ok - I usually break this "rule" due to boredom despite the fact that I understand the huge effect they have on morale. As I say elsewhere, always choose between 2nd and 4th option if unsure.

5. Let your assman handle senior squad training

Assistants are AI and not very good AI at that. The dont understand your tactics the way you understand them nor do they understand the needs of your squad.

7. Start a player with condition lower than 89% unless you absolutely have t
 
MATCHDAY! - Reactive management

A. BEFORE THE MATCH

1. Review the scout report about opponents.

You actually should have started planning about the match as soon as you receive the scout report (I usually assign two scouts for next opponent to be sure). Look at how the opponents usually play, their strength and weaknesses and think of and apply the best tactics or tactical tweaks to deal with them.


2. Your team

Look at fitness and morale of players and choose the match squad with that in mind. Also think of how the match is likely to pan out and choose the subs accordingly. If you have anybody returning from injury decide how you are likely to re-introduce him (eg as a starter or as a sub and how long you ideally want him to play).

  • Look at the results in the last 5 matches: how has your team been performing?
  • Note the top recent performers and the worse performers.
  • Do you have a striker on a goal draught? If so, talk to him and depending on what you tell him either use him or dont use him.
  • Look at the opinion of individual players’ performance.
  • Note that your XI can "carry" a couple of players who are red (ie playing in the "wrong" position, provided their stats are good - eg a ball playing cb can play at rb support)
The above are factors to consider when selecting starting XI and squad.

Think about squad rotation. I explain my take on this in previous posts. But another good indicator as to how much a player expects to play is to look at his squad status.

Try to play fit players where possible (ie starters 90+ unless schedule is v congested whereby you need to take risks but still with proper rotation).


Extrinsic factors

Are you playing home or away?

How's the weather like? eg if wet weather, and your usuall approach is tiki taka then amend your tactics to deal with this?

Pitch size and condition? eg Narrow pitches dont facilitate wing play. For pitch condition deal with it as per my comments above for wet weather.

Who is the ref? How harsh is he? Maybe ease off tackles?



3. The opponents

Try to predict the starting XI. Look at their morale. Look at how they performed in their last 5 matches. eg: young/inexperienced/low bravery players should be tackled hard and, depending on their position and your tactics, closed down always.


B. DURING THE MATCH

1. Teamtalk

Depending on weather you re favourites or not, depending on last 5 matches, depending on how important the match is.

Bear in mind personality and squad position of each player. Players back from injury and new signings (or players just back from loans should be encouraged for 2/3 matches.


2. Match analysis

What are your tactics trying to achieve?: Pressing tactics / "Keep shape" tactics / keeping a lead or score(safety first):
  • Stand off: Are the defenders giving too much time on the ball to attackers in the box or in front of it? Do they delay to much to engage opponents?
  • Pressure: Are missed tackles or chases opening too much space behind your defence? Remember, as previously noted, that the easiest way that the AI "thinks" it can beat you by is by exploiting space behind you! Do your players apply prompt pressure on opposition players especially when opposition players receive the box? Where is this pressure applied? Is it applied in the third of the pitch that the tactics envisage? Are your players committing many fouls? What position do you have yellow carded players in?
  • Safety first: Are your players still taking risks? How nervous are they? (if too nervous either sub them if you can or try to deal with this by shouts) Are they dithering on the ball? What happens when a player misses a tackle or is cought out of position? Is there enough cover for this?
 
MATCHDAY! Reactive management part 2

Opponent attacking play

 Is your opponent employing direct tactics or possession tactics?
  • Direct by dribbling? Who’s trying dribbling? Are they succeeding?
  • Direct by through balls or forward passing? Long or short passing? Who’s passing the most?
  • Possession Where are the opponents circulating the ball the most? Which players are holding up the ball most? Are they trying to stretch you vertically (direct) or horizontal (possession)? Do the opponents pass backwards (a lot)?
  • Do opponents try a lot of diagonal passes? Are they successful? Are there players with space available between your defenders and your midfielders? Is one player or more pinning your defence back? Are you getting overrun especially in midfield or defence?
  • Look at the position of the opponent's wide players (I include FBs/WBs here). Are they sitting wider than your players who are directly facing them? What do their wide players usually do when they receive the ball? Do they cut inside or remain wide and cross? Do you see many overlaps?
Tweak to deal with any of the above: eg unmarked player frequently behind your mfield and in front of the defence? Maybe drop a cm back to the dm position and tell him to man mark.


Your attacking play

Are your employing direct tactics or possession tactics?
  • Do your tactics envisage I plan more vertical or horizontal passes? Whats the success rate of this?
  • Possession through circulation? In which third are your players actually circulating the ball the most?
  • Do your tactics envisage short or long passes? How is this panning out? eg if your tactics are for short passing play but your players time and again make longer passes it means that they dont have "free" passing options near them so they are forced to find opponents who are further away from them. Actually one of the easiest ways to see if your tactics are working is to look at how many options your players have every time they get the ball in your third and in the midfield. If its at least two then you are ok.
  • What tempo do your tactics envisage? Do the players keep to it?
  • What kind of penetration do your tactics envisage? Wing play or through the middle? Do your players follow this? Where do you penetrate most?
  • Do you have a DLP/AP/RP? Does he actually make play and try to pass a lot? Effectively? Are other players of yours routinely passing more? Is your playmaker getting effectively closed down?
  • Do your players keep passing backwards? If so its because your tactics are not working and there are no passing options ahead. re we recycling possession (pass backwards) a lot? Is that supposed to happen?
Do you have players that get routinely isolated especially in defence and in attack? eg: single cf tactics are likely to see this in attack. Either tweak the cf to come deep to get the ball or instruct another player (an attacking cm or am or an If) to get closer to him. Do your players congest an area of the pitch that they shouldnt be? Do they get in each other's way?

If your tactics employ wing play are your wide players effective in this? Do you see enough overlap? Is that the tactical target? By analogy through the middle. If your tactic is a play through the middle one but the middle is congested then maybe pull a cm on the wing and or make the fbs more attacking (wbs?)


Opponent defence

Are your forwards given time and space with the ball in the opponents third? Are the opponents trying to park the bus? Are opposition defenders pressuring your players promptly on receiving the ball? How extreme is opponent pressure? Is it leaving a lot of space behind them for you to exploit? Are opposition players committing a lot of fouls? How big is the gap between their defence and midfield? (eg an opponent playing a not deep 4231 is likely to have a big gap between the 2 cms and the defence for you to exploit)


4. HALF TIME TEAM TALK

Depends on performance(s of both teams), the score, whether you are the stronger team and on individual performances and morale:

Assertive: should be used for most things. For example if you are winning by a goal against an inferior opponent while not playing well then use this to tell your players you expect better performances in 2nd half

Aggressive: do not give aggressive player talks. Only team talks and only if you are losing a match you shouldnt be or drawing a match you shouldnt be.

Cautious: I dont like this. You can use it to encourage your players while at the same time decrease pressure on them.

Passionate: doing well/winning agains better opponent - eg passionate and "keep it up lads"

Any players with less than 6.6 rating at half time should assertively be told they are not playing well


5. POST MATCH

Team talk

See above.


Evaluate team/player performance, conduct etc

Use pen and paper to note this. Note also any tweaks you made and which worked to use again.

If anybody played particularly well (ie rating 8+) then praise him in team talk and then in a one on one. Same if somebody has been playing particularly well for the past few matches. Vice versa for playing badly.
 
Personality guide

Good

Model Citizen, Perfectionist, Resolute, Model Professional, Professional, Fairly Professional, Spirited, Very Ambitious, Fairly Ambitious, Ambitious, Driven, Determined, Fairly Determined, Charismatic Leader, Born Leader, Leader, Iron Willed and Resilient.

Bad

Slack, Casual, Temperamental, Unambitious, Easily Discouraged, Low Determination, Spineless and Low Self-Belief.

Neutral

Jovial, Light Hearted, Devoted, Very Loyal, Loyal, Fairly Loyal, Honest, Sporting, Unsporting, Realist and Balanced.
 
FM OBSESSION

What playing FM means:


1. You'll develop a thorough knowledge of the Norwegian second division's finest talent

 There will never be any players which are obscure to you. You will have heard and have an idea about the current ability and potential about almost every player.

2. You'll lose all sense of time

Minutes will quickly become hours, hours will quickly pile up and sooner or later you ll realise that all your mates have forgotten about you and your wife/girlfriend has left you long ago but you didnt notice.


3. You'll develop a fondness for a club you previously had never even heard of

Midtjylland. First time I heard about them was when I played as them 3 years ago. Now they are my 2nd fave team. And I dont have 2nd favourite teams!

Also Grasshoppers. I knew about them before but since I played a save with them on FM 15 I became obsessed about them read everything I can on them, check their progress etc.


4. At the start of every save you'll sign the same two or three players for peanuts and watch smugly as their value shoots up

Sergio Diaz, Mammana, Pavon, Gas Gil Romero. Everybody does it everybody has faves.


5. You'll genuinely believe that you could do a better job than your club's manager

Unless your club manager is SAF, Mourinho, Simeone, Pep .... or?


6. You'll have worn a suit to a cup final, played the National Anthem before it and opened a bottle of champagne (ok of beer) if you won.

I also have my own running match commentary in my head for EVERY match I play.


7. Your kids will have started asking you why you love your PC more than you love them


8. You' ll be forever scribbling tactical ideas, even during very important meetings at your job.

But you know its their loss (or maybe that they have a life).


9. Friends who don't like football (and most of those who do like it) will never understand why you' re so obsessed with a series of "spreadsheets".


10. You will have known about Leo Messi years before your friends (or indeed anybody) ever did

This is a well known anecdote but: Alex McLeish's 14 yo son, a keen FM player, told him to sign a then little-known 16-year-old Argentine by the name of Leo Messi for Glasgow Rangers. McLeish laughed and patted his son on the head.

For me it was Van Den Borre. And Kompany. And Dawson. And Carlos Tevez when he was 17.


11. You' ll start watching real football matches differently, mumbling to your mates about inverted wing backs and inside forwards etc


 
Big club in low position always beats me!

I've heard the line in a couple of episodes from Youtube and in one thread somewhere. Players have this season in which a big team such as Manchester United, Arsenal, City, X is down in fifteenth place; they play them after they lost to Crystal Palace and Sunderland in their last two matches, amongs some other defeats in their last five matches. But when the player meets them, the big club wins. Then the player complains with just the statement "I always lose against big teams when they're low" or straight up call the rigged card.

The problem here is complacency. -Human player's- complacency. Because what I never see those players is considering why that big club may be so low and then fail to act accordingly. If it's a big club, their reputation is big and most of their rivals will play defensive football. The fact they just lost against two of the lowest clubs demonstrates that. It means they are very weak against defensive sides. What happens? In every of those cases I've seen the player just go "if they're fourteenth they are weak. ATTAAAAAAACK!". Exactly, they went with the opposite of what they're weak against. They give them what they need: rival's players running forward and leaving wide spaces behind instead of restricting space and hitting on the counter. Naturally, they lose.

So, if you find one big club at the bottom half of the table who lost against small teams, then likely it's the time in which you are more right in looking to play defensively; because it means they're at their weaker season to face that kind of tactic. That's my thoughts about it.
 
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Death Ball said:
I've heard the line in a couple of episodes from Youtube and in one thread somewhere. Players have this season in which a big team such as Manchester United, Arsenal, City, X is down in fifteenth place; they play them after they lost to Crystal Palace and Sunderland in their last two matches, amongs some other defeats in their last five matches. But when the player meets them, the big club wins. Then the player complains with just the statement "I always lose against big teams when they're low" or straight up call the rigged card.

The problem here is complacency. -Human player's- complacency. Because what I never see those players is considering why that big club may be so low and then fail to act accordingly. If it's a big club, their reputation is big and most of their rivals will play defensive football. The fact they just lost against two of the lowest clubs demonstrates that. It means they are very weak against defensive sides. What happens? In every of those cases I've seen the player just go "if they're fourteenth they are weak. ATTAAAAAAACK!". Exactly, they went with the opposite of what they're weak against. They give them what they need: rival's players running forward and leaving wide spaces behind instead of restricting space and hitting on the counter. Naturally, they lose.

So, if you find one big club at the bottom half of the table who lost against small teams, then likely it's the time in which you are more right in looking to play defensively; because it means they're at their weaker season to face that kind of tactic. That's my thoughts about it.
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This is very logical and the kind of post this thread needs more of!
 
Everton are a great team to manage on FM 17 and one where you ll have a lot of money to play with in the first transfer window: telling board you will qualify for Euro gives you 57 mil.

Sell Mirallas (sold him for 18m upfront plus 8m instalments), Gibson, Cleverley, Kone, Niasse, Lennon etc and you almost double that. With the following squad I won the EPL and EFL Cup and lost to Hull in FA Cup final (almost intentionally as I played a very weak team when I didnt have to) in the firs season:


GK: Stekelemburg/Lafont (who is actually pretty great!)

LB: Baines/Tierney (and from Deember onwards Garbutt)/Lato and Pellegrini (kept in the under 23s)

CB: Williams (sold in January)/Jagielka (sold January)/ Elvedi (bought January)/Keane/Wahlqvist/Funes Mori/Onguene(kept in under 23s)/Mere

RB: Coleman/Peruzzi

DM/CM: Melegoni/Walace/Gueye/Romero/Barkley/McCarthy

Wingers/AMRs: Deulofeu/Bentancur/Lozano/Promes (who actually is used as and trined to be SS)/Bolasie/Depay (loan)/Guedes (loan)

CF: All used like Promes: Lukaku/Kuki/Enner

Plus Leo Jaba and Diakhate

Used mainly my new strikerless 4132 narrow
 
Chapecoense we stand with you

Having suffered the same tragedy all those years ago (yet still very foremost in our mind), today 29/11/16 we UNITED fans stand with you Chapeco and Chapecoense as brothers in sorrow.

Sooooo sad news.
 
MANUMAD said:
Having suffered the same tragedy all those years ago (yet still very foremost in our mind), today 29/11/16 we UNITED fans stand with you Chapeco and Chapecoense as brothers in sorrow.

Sooooo sad news.
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Awful news. My sympathy goes out to survivors and all the families.
 
Bigpapa42 said:
Awful news. My sympathy goes out to survivors and all the families.
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Yes been shellshocked all day, Being a rich club who has experience of a similar tragedy I would expect that we do something substantial to assist Chapeco
 
MANUMAD said:
Yes been shellshocked all day, Being a rich club who has experience of a similar tragedy I would expect that we do something substantial to assist Chapeco
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I would hope a lot of the footballing world reaches out with more than condolences. Medellin already asked to award the Copa to the club, which is a nice gesture. I believe PSG committed millions of dollars, and the other clubs in Brazil are asking for special dispensations to accommodate the situation for the club. With as much money as English clubs have now, it would be awfully disappointing if many of them weren't willing to do something to help.
 
Bigpapa42 said:
I would hope a lot of the footballing world reaches out with more than condolences. Medellin already asked to award the Copa to the club, which is a nice gesture. I believe PSG committed millions of dollars, and the other clubs in Brazil are asking for special dispensations to accommodate the situation for the club. With as much money as English clubs have now, it would be awfully disappointing if many of them weren't willing to do something to help.
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Gremio is offering free loans to Chapeco so that they can continue
 
Any day now I'm cracking Fm17 open to give it a good go. What're the main differences/things I need to look out for?

I'll be using my beloved Liverpool. ^^)
 
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