Mr Houghs 4-1-2-3 Final Unbeaten

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lol like i dont check my player ratings i use to play cm 98 when player ratings was all we have
what i was saying that there seemed to be a problem with the tactic playing against liverpools 4231 the
where torres was tearing my team apart i tried narrowing the tactic play wider and even going deeper which
seemed to have the best effect although i still lost

i think basically the three AM players AMR, AML AND AMC were too close to my midfielders stopping their killer balls and the long range goals they seemed to be scoring before hand.

also a tip with this if a player is sent off i went 4221 with Troare up front (target man type player) with hold ball ticked
with 2 wingers changing their farrows forward and reducing the creative options of the midfielders MC to nothing but medium through balls
beat Sevilla 6-0
 
does this tactic only wirk with certain teams cause i did well with united real madrid are now 42 games unbeaten (mega pleased) notts forest have a losing streak of 7 games and i fixed firmly at the bottom hsc berlin ( i had 10 losses 10 draws and 23 wins and scooped the title) and won in the euro cup after beating roma 6-0

now im trying it with birmingham and lost 7-0 against united beat liverpool 4-0 in the first leg of the leaugue cup they then beat me by 8-0 in the second drew 4-4 agaisnt everton and lost 6 games by 1-0 to various teams including villa and chelsea
 
It sounds really inconsistent for you. I had a lot of success with Birmingham using Mr Hough's tactic, try using Wolfsong's teamtalks.
 
genious tactic i was supposed to loose heavily aswell :D
 
can anybody give me player filters for 41212 tactics..and how to make striker score more in this tactics...
 
should we ever use overload or contain on this tactic btw?
 
can someone PM me or post some general screenshots of this tactic, im getting error DLing this i tried everything :S
thanks in advance
 
Have to say 4-1-2-3 is the best tactic I've used so far. Started an unemployed game and won the league with Worcester in my first season by a fair few points, then got offered the port vale job and saved them from relagation first season, then won the league by a big margin second season with them. Now been offered the fulham job and took charge of them in the last game of the season in the premiership where they had already been relegated and won at home 3 - 0.

2 league wins in 3 seasons with 2 unfancied teams using the player filters given and some shrewd loan signings isn't bad!

I'll post up screenshots shortly. I've always found the key to getting good players whichever team you are is to have an assistant manager with as high a judging player ability rating as possible. I use him as a second filter for when my scouts find players. Obviously he needs to have a high enough rating in tactical knowledge to be able to suggest opposition instructions.

I use fm genie scout to find coaches for me but frankly I can never be bothered entering stats into spreadsheets as it takes too long.

I think I may start a diary actually. Saves clogging up this thread.

GREAT TACTIC!!!!
 
As other people have said before, the benefits of altering Mr Hough and JP Woody's tactic are great. I've used it to make a 4-4-2 before, and that was remarkable with Spurs, winning the League and the League Cup in the first season.

After reading this thread on FM Britain earlier - http://forums.fm-britain.co.uk/index.php?topic=11219.0 about Dunga's tactics it got me thinking how I could use what I consider to be the ultimate tactic (Mr Hough and JP's joint venture) to make an assymetric tactic.

I just made a few minor changes, dropping the right hand forward into the AMR position, the deep lying forward into the AMC position and the left hand centre mid into the ML position. I then changed some of the team instructions and player instructions to suit this wider style formation.

I tried it out with Brazil, admittedly I've only played one game so far and I realise that you can't make definitive judgments on tactics after just 1 game (especially if you're using probably the best team in the game) but I'm just doing it for my own enjoyment. Brazil had total domination as you can see in the screenshot.

I'll continue playing with this and try to fix any weaknesses I see. Mr Hough and JP again for this tactic as it opens doors for people like me (clumsy rugby fans on their first installment of the FM series) to enjoy some success.

JJ
 
is this tactic for fm 2009? :d

i cant seem to be able to shout (touchline instr.), and the team instructions are poor. also, there's no "complete forward, ball winning mid'fielder, box-2-box mid'fielder"-etc options to choose .. dont get it :o
 
does anyone find that by the third season your losing games you should be winning?

out of fustration and anger i just quit as atletico manager.
We won la liga in my second season but this season we lost the super cup to getafe after being 2-0 up, we lost to sporting lisbon after being 2-0 up, and we lost to espanyol despite having 20 odd shots to their 7!!
 
Just a quick follow up really, I basically cleaned out the whole of my fulham squad after taking over after they were relegated. Literally sold everyone bar the goalie tim krul who fitted the player filter. They were about 8 million in debt orginally, now they have a healty 40 million in the bank and I spent around 16 million quid on 24 players. I'm 5 games in....won 4 drawn 1 and am smashing it. Big congrats for such an awesome tactic.
 
First game with Bayern against Werder Bremen and i lost 4:1...
Second one i played against Schalke and won 4:0
I arranged a friendly game against them just a few days after start and doesnt change the settings but i change the outside striker into winger...
But i think it doesnt matter cause the defense is still bad... i'll try some other game and post the result then
 
You have to give the tactic some time, it doesnt work instantly.
 
I know that it does not work instantly... but the opponent hasnt played a game too...
I tried the other tactic based on Mr. Houghs (from 2022 i think...) and he made some changes on the defensive work and it worked better... just the same scenario and i won 4:0 and 3:1... results are the one but the teams played much more harmony and the defense was more stabile.. and i created much more chancen...
i had to change the striker to winger and so i cant rate the original tactic...
 
As Dan said, it doesn't work instantly regardless of if the opponent hasn't played either. The defence is solid as long as you give it a few games for the players to get used to it and don't keep changing tactics.
 
i start a new game again^^ so there was quite the same condition..
however i said my rating was just a side note
 
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