Mr Langvatn's Tactic Center for FM17

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mark876 said:
I don't know how Mr Langvatn tests tactics but it looks like his method doesn't work.

I gave a go the best tactic in his testing(3-4-3 Watford) with Southampton and the results were very average.

There are about 10 tactics at this forum that gave me much better results but all these tactics showed much pooper results in his testing.

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Hey,

what version did you use?
 
dimartino said:
I reafirm your testing work is great, and led me to find undoubtedly the best tactic i've tried for FM17. 343 watford v2 is just too good. After many tests I decided to start a proper save with it, my first long term save in this version! I usually like to start in a weak league, with a mid-table predicted team, but in this case I decided to go to the extrem, to get the toughest challenge possible. I choose Swedish premier division, and the team predicted last Falkenbergs. Weak club, weak players, no money. The only "help" i got was from genie scout, to find the two best possible WB, that I could afford, and that wanted to join me in free transfer. Good WBs are halfway to success with this tactic. I know I'm only starting the season, but man what can I say more, there's no way anybody can fail with this tactic! (crushing all mighty Malmo was priceless!).
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I'm using it with Southampton first season. 9 games remaining and 10 points clear. Also in FA Cup semi final.
 
Mike. said:
Let's be clear, I don't give a **** either way about tactic testing or tactics downloads, each to their own. I absolute do care whether such systems come from proprietary information. So for those outside of Mr L asking about seeking verification, let me make this clear: it is absolutely my responsibility in making sure we as a site don't fall foul of Si's terms and conditions, and any legal requirements as an SI affiliate site. As someone who also moderates and has done for SI for several years, this becomes doubly important. So whether or not he's hosting here, I have to ask him, and I have to be satisfied with his answer. It's not a point for a debate, it is what is required.
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What I don't understand is why you do this in a forum thread instead of contacting him with a private message to get the information and clarification you need.

Then after you have the verification you can make a statement.
 
 
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Vittus, I'm entitled to ask where and when I want. It's not a point for debate, thanks.
 
Mike. said:
Vittus, I'm entitled to ask where and when I want. It's not a point for debate, thanks.
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I'm just stating my opinion about your actions as you made these actions public in a forum thread. thanks.
 
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With respect, your opinion on this matter is not relevant. That is the end of it.
 
Hey Mr Langvatn,

I respect you and your hard work but I think that something is very wrong in your testing. :(

I tried Watford 3-4-3 with West Ham, the best tactic according to your test and the result wasn't good at all so I thought maybe West Ham didn't fit the tactic and I decided to try The Duke AlQaedaSVB tweak with Tottenham, this tactic was at the 2nd place in your testing.

I don't consider myself a good tactician but even with my own poor tactic I was able to compete for the title with Tottenham so I thought that with The Duke AlQaedaSVB I would easily win the league and it was a huge disappointment when I finished the 7th place with it and didn't even manager to get into Euro Cups. :(

I really hope that you'll improve your testing in the future, I wish you good luck.



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Lojo87 said:
Hey Mr Langvatn,
I respect you and your hard work but I think that something is very wrong in your testing. :(
I tried Watford 3-4-3 with West Ham, the best tactic according to your test and the result wasn't good at all so I thought maybe West Ham didn't fit the tactic and I decided to try The Duke AlQaedaSVB tweak with Tottenham, this tactic was at the 2nd place in your testing.
I don't consider myself a good tactician but even with my own poor tactic I was able to compete for the title with Tottenham so I thought that with The Duke AlQaedaSVB I would easily win the league and it was a huge disappointment when I finished the 7th place with it and didn't even manager to get into Euro Cups. :(
I really hope that you'll improve your testing in the future, I wish you good luck.
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Lojo, can you upload your saves, both West Ham and Tottenham? Do you allow me to take look at them? Thanks.
 
Lojo87 said:
Hey Mr Langvatn,

I respect you and your hard work but I think that something is very wrong in your testing. :(

I tried Watford 3-4-3 with West Ham, the best tactic according to your test and the result wasn't good at all so I thought maybe West Ham didn't fit the tactic and I decided to try The Duke AlQaedaSVB tweak with Tottenham, this tactic was at the 2nd place in your testing.

I don't consider myself a good tactician but even with my own poor tactic I was able to compete for the title with Tottenham so I thought that with The Duke AlQaedaSVB I would easily win the league and it was a huge disappointment when I finished the 7th place with it and didn't even manager to get into Euro Cups. :(

I really hope that you'll improve your testing in the future, I wish you good luck.



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There is nothing wrong with our test. The thing that is wrong is that people think the number one tactic in our test is the best tactic for all teams, and that their own experience with that and that tactic is proof to the world that the tactic they try is great/bad. A personal save is both subject to much more randomness than the test, but also subject to managerial skills, which can lead to bad morale and harmony etc.

Many people have had insanely good results with the tactics you are now butchering, you can find their threads and see for yourself. Why you didn't have the same success as them, with the same tactic, I can't possibly know without inspecting your game.
 
A tactic only gave you certain percentage of winning ratio and the other winning factors consist of the players quality, morale, form and LUCK. There is currently no tactic that can give you 100% winning ratio and even if there is a tactic that give you 99% of winning ratio you still can fail, theoretically. That explains why some people do better than the others with the same tactic.

With 3-4-3 Watford I have won the league with Cardiff, QPR, Watford, Burnley, Sassuolo, Fiorentina, Oxford City in first season but with Duke's AlQaedaSVB I only got no.3 with QPR.
 
Vittus said:
I understand. But thanks for at least reading and replying to my messages.
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Vittus, while we might not agree, I'll always try and respond where I can. That includes private messages and any reports. Anyway I've taken enough of Mr Ls thread and work, I'll leave him to it
 
Lojo87 said:
Hey Mr Langvatn,

I respect you and your hard work but I think that something is very wrong in your testing. :(

I tried Watford 3-4-3 with West Ham, the best tactic according to your test and the result wasn't good at all so I thought maybe West Ham didn't fit the tactic and I decided to try The Duke AlQaedaSVB tweak with Tottenham, this tactic was at the 2nd place in your testing.

I don't consider myself a good tactician but even with my own poor tactic I was able to compete for the title with Tottenham so I thought that with The Duke AlQaedaSVB I would easily win the league and it was a huge disappointment when I finished the 7th place with it and didn't even manager to get into Euro Cups. :(

I really hope that you'll improve your testing in the future, I wish you good luck.



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You made a nice challenge here!I will take west ham and 343 tactic and will play one season. will see what results will be :)
 
Wigo15 said:
You made a nice challenge here!I will take west ham and 343 tactic and will play one season. will see what results will be :)
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Already doing it with Tottenham, original squad, no transfers, quick picking, playing in comentary mode, and making no subs during the match. It might take a while tough, I'm at work !!!! :P
Nevertheless we can all see where this is going right?
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Not playing Champion League matches, using instant result on those, as the point of the test is to see league performance.

I HAVE TO ADD THIS ONE, altough it was instant result as it was a cup match:
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Seriously you guys, can this be any easier?
 
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I am on west ham test as weel right now :) no transfers but will play in key mode.even payet will leave in january to marseille (i am editing real time transfers in editor as it goes in real life).at the moment nearly finished pre-season.
 
Hello everyone! :)

We have now tested 78 tactics in 17.2.1 (FM17), and amongst them we have found three 5-star tactics and eight tactics worthy of 4,5 stars in our rating system.

More test results will keep coming for a little while longer! :)

Check out the results here
 
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