PARAGON !

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Guys, I've updated the V7 tactic and tweaked the dribbling settings of AMC and MCR positions, which gave a solid boost to the tactic performance.

The same changes in the dribbling settings for MCL and MCR positions in V8 tactic greatly boosted the performance of V8 tactic and now I see that the performance of V8 tactic somehow at the same level as the performance of V7 so I've brought it back to the OP.

Also, in order to remove any confusion I renamed PARAGON V7 tactic into PARAGON ( 4-2-3-1 ) V1 and renamed PARAGON V8 into PRAGON ( 4-3-3 ) V1.





Additional "foot rating recommendations" have been added to the OP:

"PARAGON ( 4-2-3-1 ) TACTIC: MCR (Box To Box ) should be right footed or he should have at least "Fairly Strong/Strong" rating for the right foot, if you have a left footed player for MCR ( Box To Box ) position you can “mirror” the tactic and drag the Box To Box Midfielder to MCL slot and drag CM (Defend) to MCR slot"

"PARAGON ( 4-3-3 ) TACTIC: MCR should be right footed or he should have at least "Fairly Strong/Strong" rating for the right foot, MCL should be left footed or he should have at least "Fairly Strong/Strong" rating for the left foot"





The filters, the attributes recommendations and PPMs have been updated.









AML should be right footed.

AMR should be left footed or have at least "Fairly Strong/Strong" for the left foot.

*** PARAGON ( 4-2-3-1 ) ***

DOWNLOAD THE TACTIC -->TFF PARAGON ( 4-2-3-1 ) V1

V5_Barca_Attacking.png
V5_Real_Attacking.png






*** PARAGON ( 4-3-3 ) ***

DOWNLOAD THE TACTIC -->TFF PARAGON ( 4-3-3 ) V1

V8_Paragon_Barca.png
V8_Paragon_Real.png
 
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Tripoligate4 said:
same
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I see that the dribbling changes gave both tactics a solid boost to their performance but for the 4-3-3 tactic the boost was such big that it put its performance somehow at the same level with the 4-2-3-1 tactic and that why you see both tactics are at the OP. ;)

The past few days I tested these tactics heavily to find a clear winner but didn't manage to do that because they showed very close performance so it requires more time to test.

But I tend to think that the 4-2-3-1 tactic is better than the 4-3-3 tactic and when I'm 100% sure about that I'll let you know.

It must be said in the real game both tactics allow me greatly overachieving with any team and the current level of overachievement is the higher that I've had for FM16. ;)
 
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Thanks TFF, but the Waste Time version needs your attention as well. It is still using WBs on Defend duty. Should the role be changed to FBs on defend, since in your latest tactics, you have shifted to FBs from WBs.

BTW, I am using Waste Time since start in tough away games in Premier Leagues, and it works well. Just defeated MANU at Old Trafford with Everton. Giggs lined them up with Higuain, Greizman, Mahrez, and Bale up front in a 424, but we won 2-0.

And @calpin, as a user, I prefer using 433 when the opposition has an AM, and 4231 otherwise.
 
Nobody reads OP and ask always same questions... In TFF tactics, there is no better one - all versions only have minor tweaks -

Even in different threads like ANNIHILATOR-PARAGON-ULTIMATE-WRATH-CONQUEROR etc not have much difference, all of them very successful...

But people have to know that each tactic can be tweaked by them for the best fit to their team. Its not a science experiment, you can have minor tweaks and dont worry tactics not explode in FM :)

Please dont be so lazy, and try some changes in your game. Look at the forum, there have many tactics from other users just tweaking of TFF tactics... And all successful maybe even better than TFF's one...
 
tff propably u answered at wrong quote ^^
gj btw .The only missing is a decent attack set up . i am using an other one. i Find whole combo so decent. i think AMC give big boost at this tweak
 
omrgul said:
Thanks TFF, but the Waste Time version needs your attention as well. It is still using WBs on Defend duty. Should the role be changed to FBs on defend, since in your latest tactics, you have shifted to FBs from WBs.
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Mate, I've updated the Waste Time tactic and changed the roles and PIs of DL/DR positions but I'd say these changes are purely cosmetic. ;)

omrgul said:
BTW, I am using Waste Time since start in tough away games in Premier Leagues, and it works well. Just defeated MANU at Old Trafford with Everton. Giggs lined them up with Higuain, Greizman, Mahrez, and Bale up front in a 424, but we won 2-0.
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I'd say it isn't a good idea to play a full match with the Waste Time and if you want to limit the scoring chances of your opponents to the minimum then you'd better go with the 4-3-3 tactic instead of the Waste Time tactic and use the Waste Time tactic only for the last 25 min of the match.
 
Hey guys!
I play with Fulham, and I'm in my 3. season, and play in the Premier League.
I'm using the original V7 with the 4x2x3x1-formation. I bought Thiago Maia almost 8 months ago (in the game), but I still can't get him to perform, very often rated just 6.6 after games. I play him in the central midfield (defend)-position. He is a natural DM, so I'm using him slightly out of position, but has anyone managed to solve this without changing to a 4-3-3-tactic? All my other players are performing excellent.
 
Guys, I've updated the recommend attributes at OP and tweaked the attributes for Box To Box Midfielder, Central Midfielder (Attack) and Attacking Midfielder.

The dribbling changes for these positions made these attributes to be more important for the positions and the presence of these attributes is more rewarding now:

- Dribbling
- Flair
- Acceleration
- Agility
- Pace











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TotalFootballFan9 said:
******

Guys, I've updated the V7 tactic and tweaked the dribbling settings of AMC and MCR positions, which gave a solid boost to the tactic performance.

The same changes in the dribbling settings for MCL and MCR positions in V8 tactic greatly boosted the performance of V8 tactic and now I see that the performance of V8 tactic somehow at the same level as the performance of V7 so I've brought it back to the OP.

Also, in order to remove any confusion I renamed PARAGON V7 tactic into PARAGON ( 4-2-3-1 ) V1 and renamed PARAGON V8 into PRAGON ( 4-3-3 ) V1.





Additional "foot rating recommendations" have been added to the OP:

"PARAGON ( 4-2-3-1 ) TACTIC: MCR (Box To Box ) should be right footed or he should have at least "Fairly Strong/Strong" rating for the right foot, if you have a left footed player for MCR ( Box To Box ) position you can “mirror” the tactic and drag the Box To Box Midfielder to MCL slot and drag CM (Defend) to MCR slot"

"PARAGON ( 4-3-3 ) TACTIC: MCR should be right footed or he should have at least "Fairly Strong/Strong" rating for the right foot, MCL should be left footed or he should have at least "Fairly Strong/Strong" rating for the left foot"





The filters, the attributes recommendations and PPMs have been updated.









AML should be right footed.

AMR should be left footed or have at least "Fairly Strong/Strong" for the left foot.

*** PARAGON ( 4-2-3-1 ) ***

DOWNLOAD THE TACTIC -->TFF PARAGON ( 4-2-3-1 ) V1

V5_Barca_Attacking.png
V5_Real_Attacking.png






*** PARAGON ( 4-3-3 ) ***

DOWNLOAD THE TACTIC -->TFF PARAGON ( 4-3-3 ) V1

V8_Paragon_Barca.png
V8_Paragon_Real.png
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Hello TFF ,

I have some difficult in the beginning of championship ...

1 victory
2 loses
1 draw

Why don't you press DR and DL in opposition instruction ?

my team is Chelsea FC and I did everything that you said.

team: courtois or begovic
azpillicueta or ivanovic
cahill or zouma
mathieu or terry
rahman or afonso figueiredo
borja valero or Fernando gago
matic or flamini
giovani dos santos or pedro
oscar or william or fabregas
hazard or pato
ibrahimovic or diego costa
 
Mikeyokeyy said:
Hehe :) The only thing I care about is winning and what score isn't important for me :P
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I gave both tactics a quick test and from what I saw I can say that both are very good and the only difference the 4-2-3-1 is more attacking and 4-3-3 is more defensive... :)
 
Thiag said:
Hey guys!
I play with Fulham, and I'm in my 3. season, and play in the Premier League.
I'm using the original V7 with the 4x2x3x1-formation. I bought Thiago Maia almost 8 months ago (in the game), but I still can't get him to perform, very often rated just 6.6 after games. I play him in the central midfield (defend)-position. He is a natural DM, so I'm using him slightly out of position, but has anyone managed to solve this without changing to a 4-3-3-tactic? All my other players are performing excellent.
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Hi

I have the same problem with him. I play with V2 (4-1-4-1). He plays DM. I think the problem isn't him but the position.


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