Pep Guardiola will be the Bayerm Munich manager from this summer
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Man..you take the biscuit!!
This is undoubtedly the most ludicrous post ive ever read, well outside of youtube!
Nonsense. And selective nonsense at that. Every league is has lots of money at the top, for example Bayern spent 40m euros on Javi Martinez. Serie A spent so much money it almost ruined their league financially. And then there is Real Madrid. Dont really need to go into detail on their spending habits.
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if we're going to make arguments like this may as well say 'hurr Chelsea beat Bayern last year so England is better than Germany, England will now dominate Europe'
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Meh, one post count and precisely that one? Seems like trolling, anyway I am not sure if he meant the National Team or the league itself, if he says the national team I'm sure he's right, but the league is the best in the world. The money argument is a "non-case" since there are so many other clubs that spend ridiculous amounts of money, it's not about how much you spend but IF you can backup the spending in a responsible and long term investment, which is not always easy to do, due to lack of common sense these days.
Personally i somehow doubt anyone will dominate the way Spain does for the next 50 years, Germans included, but whatever. You cant predict something like this , England had a golden generation too, and look what happened. Always either a missed penalty, stupid redcard, dissallowed goal, girlfriends going on shopping spree or some other nonsense, and the golden boys are now balding trophyless middle-aged man sitting at home taking ******.
Bundesliga definitely seems to be going places though, its not just Guardiola, but Huntelaar staying , Van der Vart and Sahin coming back, its no longer a place where you go to practise before PL clubs grab you. The question now is if it can support itself financially at this level or will it fall on **** like Serie A did.
Bundesliga definitely seems to be going places though, its not just Guardiola, but Huntelaar staying , Van der Vart and Sahin coming back, its no longer a place where you go to practise before PL clubs grab you. The question now is if it can support itself financially at this level or will it fall on **** like Serie A did.
For entertainment the English league is by far the best, I fail to see how it is getting worse anyway, more teams fighting for different areas in the table, for example Champions League places. A **** of a lot of money from T.V rights amongst other things going into it.
German league would be very boring if it wasn't for Dortmund making a revival over the last few years. La Liga has good football don't get me wrong but still doesn't come close to the excitement of the Premier League. That ending last year just summed the Premier League up, that wouldn't happen again for a LONG time.
Oh and I think people will find the England National team isn't as bad as people make out.... even if you are looking at the younger picture... it looks like we have some extremely exciting players coming through...
German league would be very boring if it wasn't for Dortmund making a revival over the last few years. La Liga has good football don't get me wrong but still doesn't come close to the excitement of the Premier League. That ending last year just summed the Premier League up, that wouldn't happen again for a LONG time.
Oh and I think people will find the England National team isn't as bad as people make out.... even if you are looking at the younger picture... it looks like we have some extremely exciting players coming through...
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We've said that before. It ended up in our failed 'Golden Generation', which were all better players than the ones currently coming through.
Moreover, sure, we have some promising youth, but nowhere near the level of Germany, Spain, or even Italy and France.
The Golden Generation thing was a joke from the start, Gerrard and Lampard were two of them and they could never play together.
Can't argue with Germany or Spain but Italy and France however I don't think they are producing anything special what I know of anyway compared to what we are either.
Hardly a joke, all the teams throughout the 1998-2006 were serious title contenders. The only thing you were arguably lacking was a world-class goalkeeper. 80 year old, oldschool Seaman was still good but he wasn't title good, and after that you just had comedians until Joe Hart came along. But even then , Erikson's era teams definitely had it in them to reach at least one final.
Indeed, they were partly not used to their best, partly quite unlucky.
Well I never rated the 'golden generation' as people called it as that good. Sure we had some individual stars but as a team I just never felt we would get anywhere, it just did not seem to fit right with the best players we had at that time putting them together.
But we never help ourselves, Scholes should of got way more caps etc.
Retrospectively, Sven-Goran Eriksson was a genius. Lots of people were lambasting him for not getting to a final, but actually England were probably playing above themselves.
Ah, now you're arguing a totally different point. You said we had exciting players coming through; who's to say they will play even worse together than the Golden Generation?
Our team, man for man, was easily superior than anything we had had for a while and anything we have now. Neville, Cole, Ferdinand, Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, Owen, Joe Cole, Campbell, Carragher, Hargreaves, Carrick all in their prime, and young players like Lennon and Rooney coming through. So that's two world-class strikers, a back four that included some of the best in their positions in Prem history, a lethal midfield... we'd kill for some of those players now.
2002 was seriously unlucky: quarter-final, playing vs. last serious title contender left in the tournament, with one man advantage...Ugh.
We do have some exciting players coming through, I can't predict what they will play like together but I am saying the golden generation never seemed to click together, always felt like there was more to come.
I don't fully agree with your point how our squad for the next world cup (example) is worse all over. I rate Johnson/Walker as very fine full-back's and definitelly on par with Neville....
Wilshere is one of the finest midfielders England has produced for a long while, Caulker looks like he has a great future ahead of him and we still have the experience... Carrick is having one of his best seasons if not his best so far for United.
Joe Hart is one of the best keepers England has had, backed up my Forster (I hope) is also very good. Then we still have Leighton Baines who is better than Ashley Cole right now imo.
Regarding flank options I would have to agree we are considerably weaker right now but do have some exciting players coming through. I still think Adam Johnson is a great winger when on form and Aaron Lennon is playing better now than he was in 2006.
England team is not shabby at all right now... not as bad as people make out. Spain and Germany are stronger European teams but apart from that I don't think we are worse off than any other European team really.
You are honestly rating Glen Johnson (a better player than he is often made out to be, but still) and Kyle Walker as better than England's best ever right-back? Joe Hart is one of the best keepers England had ever had? With the greatest of respect, are you mental?
Our squad for the next world cup will UNDOUBTEDLY be poorer than our one for, say, the 2006 world cup. Back then we had a settled back four in the prime of their careers, a midfield that was arguably even better, and two world-class forwards. In 2014, what will we have? Hart's a good keeper, but after the Terry/Ferdinand axis no centre-backs have been able to conclusively nail down a spot. Baines is great, and Walker is a capable right-back, but we're in a complete mess in midfield. No destroyer, ageing stars, a lack of balance. Alright options on the wings, and Wilshere is great, but there's no depth in quality. And up front... well, Rooney will still be excellent, but I don't see many youngsters who look like they're able to play to that kind of level.
England's team is fine, but it definitely isn't the third strongest European team. Italy have far more depth, and France have a lot of promising youngsters and a fine balance to their team.
/Sigh, this is just stupid now because whatever I have an opinion of a current/past player you disagree with. David Seaman would of struggled to put in a performance like Joe Hart could on his day example: Dortmund.... he is definitely one of the best England keepers we have had.
I have never said the team we have now IS better than the Golden Generation, my point originally was that the guy who posted a few pages back mocking the English league and the national team... isn't true. Our national team isn't bad, we have exciting players coming through, with experienced players still in the mix.
Regarding the lack of midfield destroyer... I think that has been a problem for a long time.
Only because Hargo has matchsticks for legs.
Why? Seaman was pretty **** good in his time, although , unless its my memory playing tricks, he struggled a bit with adapting to modern game in his final seasons, but then he was 40 year old guy, so that's understandable.