Post Your Frustations Thread

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apvmoreira said:
Frustrating thread is about things that happen in game that makes you wanna destroy the PC, not knowing who is responsible, like getting 2 goals in the last minute of the game when playing against 9 and all your players are rated 10. It happens in real life, so it can happen is simulations like this. You can't have a solution to this, it's what makes football the game it is, right?

Knowing that the AI/ME is not working properly it's the problem, so you have a solution! Every time there's a problem, there's a solution, or you couldn't call it a problem. So, or you stop playing the game and wait for a new patch that solve the problem, or you quit the game and go back to fm13 and sell this game to a friend! It's simple.

And if you think it's a bug, go to the SI forums and report as one.

But flooding the thread with posts ranting SI will not make the game work. Ranting on SI staff will not make the game work. Do you think they will work faster if you scream to them?

With this, im not saying that they are not responsible for their product, and that you are not right, by all means! But i imagine the amount of huge work that they need to do to work the code so well that the game will work better. Maybe a fix on the shoots will make transfers go berserk!

So please, be more mature and conscious about what you write, will help us all.
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Errm, come on now. We are not talking about a bunch of lads that put this game out for free - SI make $$$ out of this game and with the latest installment are trying to squeeze even more out of the consumer with add-ons that were once upon a time free. Now, I'm not saying they can't do this, lord knows Halo does it but Halo actually works when you buy the game.

This thread has 29 pages and on every one people are complaining about the same things (opposition having one shot and scoring, every game) clearly it is a problem with the ME/AI. Clearly it is ruining the game, rendering it virtually unplayable.
 
is it just me or is defending basically impossible in this game unless you have an amazing team
 
DJLDomino said:
Errm, come on now. We are not talking about a bunch of lads that put this game out for free - SI make $$$ out of this game and with the latest installment are trying to squeeze even more out of the consumer with add-ons that were once upon a time free. Now, I'm not saying they can't do this, lord knows Halo does it but Halo actually works when you buy the game.

This thread has 29 pages and on every one people are complaining about the same things (opposition having one shot and scoring, every game) clearly it is a problem with the ME/AI. Clearly it is ruining the game, rendering it virtually unplayable.
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Tbf half of these bugs arent actually bugs.

The full backs non defending, now that is a big issue. Attacking decison making needs tweak, as does shot accuracy slightly and decisons on speculative long shots. Near post corners definitely need an update.

Getting sucker punched by the AI isnt a bug no matter how many people get sucker punched, because here is the thing, there is no difference between AI and user in the ME. Year after year I see a near constant correlation between easily defendable volume approached attacks, and people getting bitched on the counter. I give out the same advice, I get raged at, they finally listen, they stop getting hammered on the counter.
 
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finished second with real.

changed tactics a little, sold di maria, bought falcao.

let zidane manage for 1 year (holidayed)

he won the league.

****
 
Not that it affects by game but its anyone elses AI firing managers left right and centre ?
 
Playing as FC Barcelona with as much controlling tactics as possible, and also the "play into box" setting. My general results are okay, but the finishing is a joke in every 2nd game or so; leading to 30+ shots and very few goals to follow. Messi, the sharpest striker in-game, is practically missing all his clear cuts and most sitters. I decided to do some comparison to my FM 13 saves and apparently it now takes about twice as many shots to score in general. Here is one of my worst matches:

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Another "funny" piece of information. On the official forums, in an already existing thread about poor finishing, I quoted and asked a SI employee who was posting in the topic, if they intentionally messed up the finishing because they were running out of time before the release to fix, what seems like massive defensive flaws in the ME. Only a few minutes later, the whole 300+ post thread was gone. ;)

But how did they mess up the finishing intentionally, you might ask? My bet is that they massively downtuned the influence of stats like finishing and composure. Its just a guess though.
 
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Firstly, this evil spiteful game has put 3 of my 4 Goalkeepers on the sidelines with long term injuries.I have 3 right-backs to choose from...and it's injured all of them too! So I attempt to train up one of my left-backs to play right-back and boom...he's out injured too! So I devise a tactic that doesn't need full-backs, based on Guardiola's Barcelona. A 3-4-3 with a diamond midfield.

So...it gets to half-time and we couldn't have done much more...except score a goal, obviously!

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I guess we all know what's coming! And, of course, we're right! Oh how I wish I was a betting man, but this version of FM would put the bookies out of business!

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I have one player who can play sweeper....guess which one...the one that got booked and is now suspended for the next game!

I know the ME can't differentiate between the human and AI, but the AI has to have an advantage as it's part of the game and, as such, must know every little nuance of the player roles and tactics system and therefore has the ability to adjust more readily to all situations the ME throws up. To be honest, if any of us played this game non-stop for a year we still wouldn't have the knowledge the AI has.
At the end of the day, all we can do as humans is create a tactic which dominates possession, creates clear cut chances and gets shots on target. The rest is down to the ME.....FULL STOP!
 
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Firstly, this evil spiteful game has put 3 of my 4 Goalkeepers on the sidelines with long term injuries.I have 3 right-backs to choose from...and it's injured all of them too! So I attempt to train up one of my left-backs to play right-back and boom...he's out injured too! So I devise a tactic that doesn't need full-backs, based on Guardiola's Barcelona. A 3-4-3 with a diamond midfield.

So...it gets to half-time and we couldn't have done much more...except score a goal, obviously!

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I guess we all know what's coming! And, of course, we're right! Oh how I wish I was a betting man, but this version of FM would put the bookies out of business!

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I have one player who can play sweeper....guess which one...the one that got booked and is now suspended for the next game!

I know the ME can't differentiate between the human and AI, but the AI has to have an advantage as it's part of the game and, as such, must know every little nuance of the player roles and tactics system and therefore has the ability to adjust more readily to all situations the ME throws up. To be honest, if any of us played this game non-stop for a year we still wouldn't have the knowledge the AI has.
At the end of the day, all we can do as humans is create a tactic which dominates possession, creates clear cut chances and gets shots on target. The rest is down to the ME.....FULL STOP!
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Not true. In fact one of the big difficulties was teaching the AI to pick the right roles and positions. People overplay the AI angle too much. This year its pretty good, but its no human.

There is no inherent ME knowledge by the AI. People need to get away from this angle. Now we can talk about bugs till kingdom come. But there is no super all knowing AI for us to blame our losses and hammerings on, sorry :D

It's never had an advantage, only thing that happens is each year they manage to close the gap vs humans a little more.
 
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busken said:
Playing as FC Barcelona with as much controlling tactics as possible, and also the "play into box" setting. My general results are okay, but the finishing is a joke in every 2nd game or so; leading to 30+ shots and very few goals to follow. Messi, the sharpest striker in-game, is practically missing all his clear cuts and most sitters. I decided to do some comparison to my FM 13 saves and apparently it now takes about twice as many shots to score in general. Here is one of my worst matches:

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Another "funny" piece of information. On the official forums, in an already existing thread about poor finishing, I quoted and asked a SI employee who was posting in the topic, if they intentionally messed up the finishing because they were running out of time before the release to fix, what seems like massive defensive flaws in the ME. Only a few minutes later, the whole 300+ post thread was gone. ;)

But how did they mess up the finishing intentionally, you might ask? My bet is that they massively downtuned the influence of stats like finishing and composure. Its just a guess though.
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You mean the feedback thread? It's still there.

And no they didnt, its a separate issue entirely, its actually one more issue that needs fixing. Though I do actually worry about some of you lot.

If something annoys you this much, stop playing. This kind of rage is really unhealthy. Go to the gym,park whatever. See teh family/boyfriend/girlfriend whatever. It's just a game.
 
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Mike. said:
If something annoys you this much, stop playing. This kind of rage is really unhealthy. Go to the gym,park whatever. See teh family/boyfriend/girlfriend whatever. It's just a game.
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Someone hasn't been following Dunc's twitter feed this evening. ;)
 
Mike. said:
You mean the feedback thread? It's still there.

And no they didnt, its a separate issue entirely, its actually one more issue that needs fixing. Though I do actually worry about some of you lot.

If something annoys you this much, stop playing. This kind of rage is really unhealthy. Go to the gym,park whatever. See teh family/boyfriend/girlfriend whatever. It's just a game.
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How do you know for sure? Because I played the beta and it seems like thats exactly what they did. And yes, the thread in which I wrote my "accusations" was removed, shortly after, for no other reason. I find that a bit strange tbh.

It simply annoys me that I bought a product, that is obviously not finished. In my line of work, heads would roll, if we launched products that were this flawed. And SI's arrogance about it, is even worse. I have seen more than a couple of l2p-like replies from SI people on the official boards and yet at the same time, its announced by other SI employees that they are aware of the problems and currently trying to fix them. So they must all know about it. A simple "sorry, we messed up and are working 24/7 to fix the problems" would have done it for me. One clear update on whats going on, that could have saved alot of frustation.
 
busken said:
How do you know for sure? Because I played the beta and it seems like thats exactly what they did. And yes, the thread in which I wrote my "accusations" was removed, shortly after, for no other reason. I find that a bit strange tbh.

It simply annoys me that I bought a product, that is obviously not finished. In my line of work, heads would roll, if we launched products that were this flawed. And SI's arrogance about it, is even worse. I have seen more than a couple of l2p-like replies from SI people on the official boards and yet at the same time, its announced by other SI employees that they are aware of the problems and currently trying to fix them. So they must all know about it. A simple "sorry, we messed up and are working 24/7 to fix the problems" would have done it for me. One clear update on whats going on, that could have saved alot of frustation.
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Problem is that they do the "sorry, we messed up and are working 24/7 to fix the problems" approach and all people do is rage and scream and cry and throw things around. It's not as easy as going "yeah we ****** up" because no matter what there is always someone sitting there ready to throw around more accusations and complaints instead of either waiting for the patches or just dealing with it in a mature way.

Not saying you do that but there are far too many people who do and most of those who are just doing l2p like replies are more than likely tired of hearing the same **** from people. It's a game, there will be bugs and issues, if you expect anything else than that then you only have yourself to blame for being upset when it's released.
 
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busken said:
How do you know for sure? Because I played the beta and it seems like thats exactly what they did. And yes, the thread in which I wrote my "accusations" was removed, shortly after, for no other reason. I find that a bit strange tbh.

It simply annoys me that I bought a product, that is obviously not finished. In my line of work, heads would roll, if we launched products that were this flawed. And SI's arrogance about it, is even worse. I have seen more than a couple of l2p-like replies from SI people on the official boards and yet at the same time, its announced by other SI employees that they are aware of the problems and currently trying to fix them. So they must all know about it. A simple "sorry, we messed up and are working 24/7 to fix the problems" would have done it for me. One clear update on whats going on, that could have saved alot of frustation.
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How do I know? Because I raised the bug issue myself. When you post in a constructive manner, you tend to get a good reply from them. If you are rude, you'll probably get ignored.

Well if you accuse SI of sabotage, you're highly likely to have your posts removed, and thats no real surprise. You couldnt get away with that in a shop, what makes you think you could do it just because you're on the internet?. Dunc on here works for SI. If you were to say that to him, he'd probably kick you from this forum, because frankly its incredibly rude, and attacks his integrity.

The funny thing is. They have repeatedly said they are fixing it in fact they are working on an update, but it wont be ready for the next few days at least, because he is getting it prepped for their internal testers to stress.

They have done about 6 or 7 clear updates on where the game is. They have an entire feedback thread on this. You cant miss it, its about 25 pages long.

Learn to play isn't mutually exclusive to having bugs tbh, I could say that to about 40% of the complaints on here.

There will always be bugs in games. Total war 2 has has 7 patches. SEVEN. Still got issues. Battlefield 4 is just a lolfest at launch. If things like that annoy, don't buy them at release.
 
Mike. said:
How do I know? Because I raised the bug issue myself. When you post in a constructive manner, you tend to get a good reply from them. If you are rude, you'll probably get ignored.

Well if you accuse SI of sabotage, you're highly likely to have your posts removed, and thats no real surprise. You couldnt get away with that in a shop, what makes you think you could do it just because you're on the internet?. Dunc on here works for SI. If you were to say that to him, he'd probably kick you from this forum, because frankly its incredibly rude, and attacks his integrity.

The funny thing is. They have repeatedly said they are fixing it in fact they are working on an update, but it wont be ready for the next few days at least, because he is getting it prepped for their internal testers to stress.

They have done about 6 or 7 clear updates on where the game is. They have an entire feedback thread on this. You cant miss it, its about 25 pages long.

Learn to play isn't mutually exclusive to having bugs tbh, I could say that to about 40% of the complaints on here.

There will always be bugs in games. Total war 2 has has 7 patches. SEVEN. Still got issues. Battlefield 4 is just a lolfest at launch. If things like that annoy, don't buy them at release.
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Good answer.
 
i know some of you are play testers/developers of FM can someone tell me if they are working on the defensive issues as in defenders refuse to tackle esp the full backs, and when a patch is likely ? as i dont want to be waiting around till feb/march till the game becomes playable for me
 
Striker122 said:
i know some of you are play testers/developers of FM can someone tell me if they are working on the defensive issues as in defenders refuse to tackle esp the full backs, and when a patch is likely ? as i dont want to be waiting around till feb/march till the game becomes playable for me
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I can only tell you what PaulC posted on the feedback thread. Yes they are working on the fullback issue (among other things). The aim is for a fix sooner rather than later (ie the next update) but it certainly wont be in the 2-3 days, because he said he is getting an update ready for an internal stress test , he wont rush it out unless he is happy so we'll just have to wait and see. But certainly its not something being left to Feb/March. You wont get anything from playtesters because they arent allowed to tell you.
 
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My biggest gripe is midfielders/strikers trying to score from 30+ yards when they have plenty of room to take a touch.

Second gripe is players waiting to receive a ball standing still only for a pressing opponent to nip in front of them. If only I could shout 'MAN ON' from the touchline to move them.
 
It seems like I'm hitting the woodwork 2 or 3 times in most matches, anybody else having this problem?
 
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