Raikan007's Borussia Dortmund: Jurgen Klopp's Recreation tactic 13.3.3

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haha the tacticgenius is still making new tactics... i remember you saying that you wouldn't make as many tactics as last year cause this year's FM is far more man management then tactic :) but really awesome !! keep on going !

Hahaha, yeah! Cannot help myself!

This is the deep 442 (its not for download and don't request it either please as I am not finished with it)
 
Hahaha, yeah! Cannot help myself!

This is the deep 442 (its not for download and don't request it either please as I am not finished with it)

so are you going to release this when you are done with testing it?
 
Orite Raikan007, do you think that using the shout 'hassle opponents' would still have the same affect as putting tackling to 'more cautious' from 'more aggressive'?? just a thought as a few people have said they are getting players sent off or yellow carded often.
 
Orite Raikan007, do you think that using the shout 'hassle opponents' would still have the same affect as putting tackling to 'more cautious' from 'more aggressive'?? just a thought as a few people have said they are getting players sent off or yellow carded often.

can be done yeah, but I do not use hassle opponents shout with this, I like the players trying to win the ball back to initiate the counter, if you get a few yellows, who cares :)

I certainly don't!

if my ball winner gets a yellow I usually sub him anyway to prevent a red!
 
can be done yeah, but do not use hassle opponents shout with this, I like the players trying to win the ball back to initiate the counter

Okay matey no bother, i suppose aswell hassle opponents could also pull players away from their positions.
 
Okay matey no bother, i suppose aswell hassle opponents could also pull players away from their positions.
this is from the SI manual, not sure if you or anyone has seen it, its pretty good :0

[h=2]Shouts[/h] As the match unfolds, you're likely to want to make tweaks and changes in reaction to the events that develop every minute. To make this easier and quicker, you can select a vast number of instructions to relay to your team on the fly. Clicking the appropriate button the action bar will pop out a box from which you can select the following instructions:

[TABLE="width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD]Retain Possession[/TD]
[TD]Instructs your players to prioritise keeping hold of the ball.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Get Ball Forward[/TD]
[TD]Instructs your players to look to get the ball into the attacking third.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pass Into Space[/TD]
[TD]Instructs your players to look to make passes into space.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pass Into Feet[/TD]
[TD]Instructs your players to look to make passes into the feet of the receiver.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pump Ball Into Box[/TD]
[TD]Instructs your players to launch high, long-range passes into the opposition's penalty area.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Clear Ball to Flanks[/TD]
[TD]Instructs your players to look to make their clearances into wider areas to be picked up by attacking players.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Shoot On Sight[/TD]
[TD]Instructs your players to shoot when the opportunity arises instead of waiting for a more clear-cut opening.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Work Ball Into Box[/TD]
[TD]Instructs your players to work hard for their opening, remaining patient and not forcing the issue.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Exploit the Flanks[/TD]
[TD]Instructs your players to look to take full advantage of wing play, perhaps due to an opposition weakness.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Exploit the Middle[/TD]
[TD]Instructs your players to look to take full advantage of playing through the middle, perhaps due to an opposition weakness.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Look for Overlap[/TD]
[TD]Instructs your players to hold onto the ball and look for an overlapping player in support, most likely a marauding full-back.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Take a Breather[/TD]
[TD]Instructs your players to keep hold of the ball but simply take a moment to recover physically before attacking again.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Play Wider[/TD]
[TD]Instructs your players to look to stretch the pitch and play wider.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Play Narrower[/TD]
[TD]Instructs your players to look to narrow the field and play in the middle of the pitch.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Push Higher Up[/TD]
[TD]Instructs your players to play higher up the pitch, starting with the line the defence holds, which should be close to the halfway line if this option is chosen.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Drop Deeper[/TD]
[TD]Instructs your players to retreat into their own territory and defend it from there.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Hassle Opponents[/TD]
[TD]Instructs your players to give the opposition little time and space on the ball, attempting to force a mistake.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Stand Off Opponents[/TD]
[TD]Instructs your players to give the opposition more time, retreat into a defensive shape and minimise the risk of being opened up.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Get Stuck In[/TD]
[TD]Instructs your players to be aggressive and strong in the tackle. This may increase the risk of fouls and disciplinary action.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Stay on Feet[/TD]
[TD]Instructs your players to stay on their feet when making tackles instead of going to ground.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Play Even Safer[/TD]
[TD]If you wish to preserve a lead, selecting this option will instruct your players to play with safety foremost in their attentions.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Take More Risks[/TD]
[TD]If you are chasing a game, this option will instruct your players to take whatever risks necessary to get themselves back in it.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Run at Defence[/TD]
[TD]Instruct players to run at the opposition more than your tactics allow by default.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Play Through Defence[/TD]
[TD]Instructs players to play their way through an opposition's defence with passing along the ground.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Play Out of Defence[/TD]
[TD]Encourages defenders to pass their way clear from the back rather than clear the ball long.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Hit Early Crosses[/TD]
[TD]Instructs players to cross the ball early.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

You can also change the overall team strategy on the fly, as well as make quick tactical adjustments such as a swapping of two wingers, a man-marking job on an individual who is running the show, or even a quick substitution.

Any quick instruction will be placed in the 'Pending' section until the next break in play, at which point it will become activated. To cancel an instruction, click on cancel button. This will no longer be in effect in your team's tactical approach.

You can also load in any shout 'groups' you may have previously created.

At half and full time you will have the opportunity to offer a team-talk to your players. The half time team-talk will generally be about what has happened in the first half and what you expect to happen in the second half, whilst the full-time one will be of a reactionary nature to the result. As with your pre-match team-talk, take care in what you say to your players, as it can have a strong effect on how they handle things from that moment on, particular half-time team-talks.

If, at the end of the match, you wish to save it for later viewing in the external match viewer (available from the 'View Match' option on the Main Menu), click 'Save' from the 'Match Controls' menu and you will be prompted to save the match .pkm file to My Documents\Sports Interactive\Football Manager™ 2013\matches.
 
Cheers for this, can be really helpful for decideing what to do in the match situation. Gunna start a save as dortmund when i get in from the office see if i can make them the force they deserve to be using this tactic which looks spot on.
 
Surprisingly, I haven't done an Arsenal save yet on FM13, maybe I'll give this tactic a go. Would Arteta be better as the DLP or BWM? Santi or Wilshere as starting AMC?

Use Wilshire in the DLP role and Santi Cazrzola in the AMC role... Not sure that arteta would be a very good BWM though, maybe look at Wanyama - Celtic?
 
Going to try this one, still wanted to have a tactic with a AMC, playing with FSV Frankfurt 1e bundesliga,

PS
If i like this tactic, is it possible to post it on the dutch forum @Raikan007;
 
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hey bro first of all i want to thank you that you sent me your tactic of klopp..its really good..im playin with bayern and im on top of the table which is really great..

i wanted to ask you about my problem..it is that mandzukic or gomez is playing in front..but they are not scoring lot of goals..i tried mandzukic as DLF and advanced..it seems that he is better at advanced..and yes he sores but thats mybe after every second or dthird game..gomez i let as poacher..

the wingers a scoring lot of goals..its because they run in the centre and try to score..

could you please help me with this problem..that my strikers score more goals..would be really nice from you..

but your tacitc again i have to say is wonderful !!

cheers mate
 
first 18 games with man city drew 3 against west ham, psg and newcastle and won all the other matches biggest wins were 4-1 vs Tottenham (away) 5-1 vs Real Madrid (away) and 5-1 vs PSG (home) and qualified for the knockout stages already (I was handed Real Madrid, PSG and Dortmund for my champions league group stages) Top scorer is Falcao with 19 goals in 12 starts and 2 substitutions. Great tactic :D
 
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Okay Raikan started as dortmund, so far start of season got 3 wins and 2 draws which is not bad. I just played against zenit in the first champions league game and finished the game with just 4 shots and that was at home. Do you have any advice on how my dortmund team can create more chances?? Lewendowski is on fire btw and gotze aint to bad as advanced playmaker.
 
Can you please upload screenshots of your (Pre-season training and middle of the season training)?
 
Use Wilshire in the DLP role and Santi Cazrzola in the AMC role... Not sure that arteta would be a very good BWM though, maybe look at Wanyama - Celtic?

I was thinking about maybe Kondogbia, but maybe I should get someone more established? Capoue? One of the Benders?
 
Lost the league by a point to Bayern.
Gotze, Bender, Reus all died within two games and were out for the last few months and I lost the two point lead I had :'(


On a brighter note.
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I was so happy when i actually found out about this tactic as im a huge fan of the 4231 formation (since fm2013) and what more its from u raikan007. been using alot of your p&p tactics since fm2012 and im happy with the results mostly.

Anyhow, when i actually saw the positional roles of the wingers and fullback or in your case its wingback, it reminded me of zero sea's 4231 which i think he called it Athena. Please dont get me wrong but after using this tactic a few times i do see the differences.

What i like most about this tactic (and its a sight for sore eyes) is the way the IF and WB attacks. Either its a solo situation or team effort, its just really fun to watch em. when in comes into the middle of the park the interchanging passes were equally breath taking especially when they got 1-2 touch football style. This is the only tactic that i have seen a wb scores a goal like what stephen lichensteiner of juventus usually does. Most of the time its a long range shot usually just outside or at the edge of the 22 yard box. But the strength of this tactic (for me) is the ability of my team to hold and top possession even though we are not the favorites or playing against a better.

Now, what i find lacking is the defense. Well i cant really pin point to the exact where its lacking but everytime when the team is attacking and we are hitting like -15-18 shoots on goal (usually after the first goal) the opposition will have a random counter or attack which usually has about almost 60-80% of getting a goal. whether its open play or set pieces. even by pulling the mc down to dmc, the same thing happens. and i do feel the pulling the mc down to dmc does spoil the synergy of this tact. well thats how i feel.

anyway, i will be trying a little tweak by using both DC as in a Def duty and putting the BWM in support to see if it does make any diff.

well hope to hear a complete tweak and full dish out tact from u asap.. till then thanks a bunch again!
 
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Going to try this one, still wanted to have a tactic with a AMC, playing with FSV Frankfurt 1e bundesliga,

PS
If i like this tactic, is it possible to post it on the dutch forum @Raikan007;

cheers bud, feel free to post it on my behalf :) I can speak Afrikaans which derives from Dutch but I won't understand anything if it is in Dutch :)

send me the link when you done :)
 
hey bro first of all i want to thank you that you sent me your tactic of klopp..its really good..im playin with bayern and im on top of the table which is really great..

i wanted to ask you about my problem..it is that mandzukic or gomez is playing in front..but they are not scoring lot of goals..i tried mandzukic as DLF and advanced..it seems that he is better at advanced..and yes he sores but thats mybe after every second or dthird game..gomez i let as poacher..

the wingers a scoring lot of goals..its because they run in the centre and try to score..

could you please help me with this problem..that my strikers score more goals..would be really nice from you..

but your tacitc again i have to say is wonderful !!

cheers mate

hey bud, only a pleasure :)

use work ball into box and play through defence shouts to encourage the players to play it to the striker

what are the players PPM's? this could also be a problem as it might contradict the instructions given?
 
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