Funny I thought loyalty was a good thing no?
Actually I forgot Ronaldo was a slave before he left
To me, Ronaldo has done everything his doubters said he couldnt.
He has left his confort zone ( Man Utd) and Banged in goals in another top class league, He has started to score goals and perform on the international scene... Whilst Messi hasnt done either.. come back Messi when you leave barcelona and go to another league and have the same affect.
To me, Ronaldo has done everything his doubters said he couldnt.
He has left his confort zone ( Man Utd) and Banged in goals in another top class league, He has started to score goals and perform on the international scene... Whilst Messi hasnt done either.. come back Messi when you leave barcelona and go to another league and have the same affect.
you cant really say that for one it will never happen and also messi is a great player he walks by players pretty much to score a goal. i am not saying ronaldo isnt a great player its jsut messi offers so much more as he makes barca tick.Hardly.. Ronaldo rarely blames others for his mistakes, but of course he gets frustrated when he doesn't receive the ball if he's in a good position (much like Berbatov now)..
Also, of course being in a better team helps. Jermain Defoe can score 15 goals a season at Spurs, but if he went to a club with better service, not doubt he'd get 25+ a season.
If you put Ronaldo at Stoke, he'd still get 20+ goals a season, Messi would not imo.
Funny I thought loyalty was a good thing no?
Actually I forgot Ronaldo was a slave before he left
I have said it before, why should Messi have to prove anything by leaving Barcelona. He has proved he is the best player in the best team in the best league in the world. 40 goals in February is absolutely fantastic and he is going to smash all records. Goals and assists suggest Messi is the better player.
you cant really say that for one it will never happen and also messi is a great player he walks by players pretty much to score a goal. i am not saying ronaldo isnt a great player its jsut messi offers so much more as he makes barca tick.
I have said it before, why should Messi have to prove anything by leaving Barcelona. He has proved he is the best player in the best team in the best league in the world. 40 goals in February is absolutely fantastic and he is going to smash all records. Goals and assists suggest Messi is the better player.
Hardly.. Ronaldo rarely blames others for his mistakes, but of course he gets frustrated when he doesn't receive the ball if he's in a good position (much like Berbatov now)..
Also, of course being in a better team helps. Jermain Defoe can score 15 goals a season at Spurs, but if he went to a club with better service, not doubt he'd get 25+ a season.
If you put Ronaldo at Stoke, he'd still get 20+ goals a season, Messi would not imo.
Because anyone can walk into the Barcelona attack and score goals.
Jeffren has made 1 league app this season vs Real Madrid (2nd best team in the league, maybe world) and got 1 goal in a game they won 5-0. Says a lot about the difference in the two teams.
Messi doesn't really make Barca tick. Xavi and Iniesta do, hence why without them at International level he doesn't do much at all.
Messi doesn't really make Barca tick. Xavi and Iniesta do, hence why without them at International level he doesn't do much at all.
1. I have stated before
2. Jermain Defoe is an average player IMO but he gets away with alot because of pace
3. Ronaldo would never survive at stoke as he wouldnt like being tackled in training while Messi would take it and probably be injured by them
Funny, I dont see how Ronaldo Leaving us has anything to do on his footballing ability.. and the fact he still left his confort zone and performed amazing in a new league... So how does the fact he left us effect him as a player, fancy shedding some light..?
Well I feel technical and physical attributes (to word from fm) are not the most important things and a players mentality and love for the club is just as important. A reason why Blackpool (lets face it not a great bunch of players) are able to hold their own in the EPL
We forget Ronaldo shines when playing for Portugal!
Didn't Ronaldo go on a very long goal drought with Portugal?
Although he's re captured some form for them now, he was hardly impressive prior to the world cup and even during it, he wasn't one of the shining players and neither was Messi.
He did, but even when he went on a long goal drought for them, he was the focal point in the team. Regardless. He's the focal point of every attack in every team he plays for. Ronaldo's longest goal drought for Real Madrid is 3 games, scoring in the 4th (this weekend).
Messi has always struggled at International level. Ronaldo was excellent, went through a drought, and is excellent again now. Messi is yet to prove himself.
I'm going to bed, but it's going to come to opinion no matter what.
For me, Ronaldo > Messi until he proves himself in the Premiership.
No, he tried to win for himself.Ronaldo though, always tried his hardest for Manchester United, even in his last season. he still tried to win for us.
Being Portuguese does, but I'm an honest guy and have always said that to me Messi won't be better than Ronaldo until he comes to the EPL and does what Ronaldo did..
Why should he have to prove himself in the EPL?
I just did a quick google of the best players ever and here is the first list (not saying it is correct but just to give a general idea)
20
Lillian Thuram
CB, RB
One of the best defenders of all time from France, he is famous for his 2 goals in the 1998 world cup semi final against Croatia when France came from behind to win 2-1. France eventually won the world cup beating Brazil 3-0. At club level, he has played in AS Monaco, Juventus and FC Barcelona.
19
Roberto Carlos
LWB
He has played for Spanish club Real Madrid for eleven years, winning four leagues, three UEFA Champions League trophies, and two Intercontinental Cups. He is also one of only six players to have played more than one hundred matches in the Champions League. He is especially famous for a free kick against France on June 3, 1997, where he shot from 35 m (110 ft) from the centre-right channel, and scored.
18
David Beckham
RMF, CMF
David Beckham is a leading English footballer whose popularity extends beyond the field and into international celebrity. Beckham was already a crowd-pleasing star for Manchester United when he married Spice Girls star Victoria Adams in July of 1999; the combination proved irresistible to the press and public, and they became one of Britain’s most famous couples. As a player Beckham is particularly known for his free kick expertise and spectacular long-range shots while his right foot is the national treasure of England.
17
Oliver Kahn
GK
One of the most successful German players in recent history, having won eight German championships, six German cups, the UEFA Cup (1996), the UEFA Champions League and the Intercontinental Cup (both 2001). His individual contributions have earned him four consecutive UEFA Best European Goalkeeper awards, three IFFHS World’s Best Goalkeeper of the Year awards and two German “Footballer of the Year” trophies.
16
Zico
OMF
Often called the White Pelé, he is commonly considered one of the most skilled dribblers and finishers ever and possibly the world’s best player of the early 80′s. He was also known as one of history’s greatest free kick specialists, able to bend the ball with pace and accuracy as well as having an extremely powerful shot.
15
Lev Yashin
GK
A superb goalkeeper, perhaps the best in the history of the game, he was a Soviet sports hero. Yashin spent his playing career with the Moscow Dynamo club, and after retirement was a coach there. Dynamo won five league championships and three cups due in large part to Yashin’s domination of the goal. Yashin’s playing was an important element in the Soviet national team’s gold medal win at the 1956 Olympics, and he tended goal for the team in three World Cups. He became the only goalkeeper to be named European footballer of the year, and was awarded the title of world goalkeeper of the 20th cent. Fondly known as the black spider (after his Black Goal keeper uniform..
14
Ronald Koeman
DMF
Besides being a defender at the centre back position, Koeman was also known for his powerful right-footed free kicks and dead ball ability where he scored many vital goals for the team, and it was from a free-kick that he scored FC Barcelona’s winning goal in the 1992 European Cup final. Ronald Koeman scored 193 league goals in 503 matches (ahead of Daniel Passarella who netted 182 goals in 556 matches) during his career, more than any other defender in the history of football.
13
Luis Figo
RW
Figo is a football hero who began his professional career in Portugal, his native land, then made his name in Spain playing for powerhouse teams FC Barcelona and Real Madrid before switching to Inter Milan in 2005. With his deft stop-and-go dribbling and aggressive style, the midfielder is known more as a playmaker than as a pure scorer. His breakthrough year was 2000, when he led Portugal to the semifinals of Euro 2000 and was named European Footballer of the Year. The same year he moved from FC Barcelona to rival Real Madrid for a then-record fee of $56 million.
12
Alvaro Recoba
OMF, LW
Recoba’s strengths are his dribbling, technique, pace and a strong, accurate left-foot shot. He is a free-kick specialist, and has scored goals of great quality, examples of which were his two goals during his debut with Inter, and basically all the goals scored during his time at Venezia. It is said that few, if any, have been born with Recoba’s ability; however, his mentality continues to fail him at the most crucial moments.
11
Alfredo di Stefano
FW, OMF
Nicknamed Saeta rubia (Blond arrow), was a powerful forward with great stamina and tactical versatility. He could also play anywhere on the pitch and despite being well-known as a forward, was great in defense. He is currently the 3rd highest scorer in the history of Spain’s top division, with 228 goals in 329 games. Di Stéfano is also Real Madrid’s highest league goalscorer of all time, with 216 goals in 282 league matches.
10
Raul Gonzalez
FW, SS
Called the ‘Angel of Madrid’ and simply known as Raúl, he is a Spanish football striker who plays for Spanish La Liga club Real Madrid. Also the three-time winner of the UEFA Champions League and is the second all-time leading scorer in official UEFA competitions after Filippo Inzaghi with 64 goals. He took over the captaincy of Real Madrid when Fernando Hierro departed in 2003, and has since shown himself to be a natural and respected leader.
9
Michael Platini
OMF
Platini was a member of the French national team that won the 1984 European Championship, a tournament in which he was voted the best player and top goalscorer. Platini, Alain Giresse, Luis Fernández and Jean Tigana together made up the “carré magique” (magic square), the group of midfield players that formed the heart of the French national team throughout the 1980s. He is also widely regarded as one the best passers in football history as well as one of history’s greatest free kick specialists and finishers. He holds the record for most goals scored in European Championship final.
8
Carlos Alberto Torres
WB
is a former Brazilian footballer, one of the most highly regarded defenders of all time. He captained Brazil to victory in the 1970 World Cup and is a member of the World Team of the 20th Century, as well as the U.S. National Soccer Hall of Fame. Carlos Alberto’s goal against Italy in the final of the Football World Cup 1970 is considered one of the greatest goals ever scored in the history of the tournament.
7
Ronaldo
FW
A brilliant and fluid forward, Ronaldo became one of international soccer’s great stars of the 1990s and Brazil’s biggest soccer hero since Pele. Nicknamed “The Phenomenon,” the talented forward has played for Cruzeiro, Eindhoven, Barcelona, Inter Milan, Real Madrid and AC Milan, amassing numerous records, championships, and cups. An international superstar, Ronaldo has been on the Brazilian national team since 1994 and was part of World Cup–winning teams in 1998 and in 2002, when he was the tournament’s top scorer
6
Gerd Müller
FW
Müller was short, squat, awkward-looking and not notably fast; he never fit the conventional idea of a great footballer, but he had lethal acceleration over short distances, a remarkable aerial game, and uncanny goalscoring instincts. He could turn quickly and with perfect balance in small spaces at speeds that would cause other players to fall over. He also had a knack of scoring in unlikely situations. With national records of 68 goals in 62 international appearances, 365 goals in 427 Bundesliga games and the international record of 66 goals in 74 European Club games, he was by far the most successful striker of his day.
5
Johann Cruyff
OMF, ST
Cruyff is a former Dutch football player and manager/coach. He was named European Footballer of the Year three times. In 1999, Cruyff was voted European Player of the Century in an election held by the IFFHS, and came second, behind Pelé in their World Player of the Century poll. Cruyff was known for his technical ability, speed and acceleration, but his greatest quality was vision, based on an acute sense of his team-mates’ positions as an attack unfolded. He is believed Cruyff superior to any previous player in his ability to extract the most from others.
4
Franz Beckenbauer
SW, DMF
German football (soccer) player. He is credited with inventing the modern attacking sweeper position. Nicknamed “Der Kaiser,” Beckenbauer is the only man to both captain and manage World Cup-winning teams (1974 and 1990, respectively). He spent most of his career with Bayern Munich, leading the team to three European Cup championships and four national titles. He was named European Footballer of the Year in 1972 and 1976. He is generally regarded as the greatest German footballer of all time and also as one of the greatest footballers in the history of the game.
3
Diego Maradona
FW
Maradona is an icon in Argentina. As a soccer player, he took his team to new heights and became a hero to sports fans – many of whom referred to him as “San Diego.” He also took sports paychecks to new heights, claiming unheard of salaries in trade after trade. Maradona was plagued by cocaine addiction, though, and his career came to an early end. His performance included two memorable goals against England, one scored with his hand (the referee mistakenly thought the ball struck his head) and now remembered as the “Hand of God,” and another that saw him dribble through a pack of defenders.
2
Pele
born 1940
Pele – called “the Black Pearl,” was the greatest soccer player in the history of the game. With a career total of 1280 goals, he may have been the world’s most popular athlete after he was named Athlete of the Century by the world’s combined National Olympic Committees in 1999, though he never played in the Olympics himself. In March of 2002, the jersey Pelé wore in the 1970 World Cup final sold at auction for $220,850. Pelé became Brazil’s minister of sports in 1995, serving until 1998.
1
Zinedine Zidane
You can look for yourself and see how many have played in the premier league. Did any of them prove themselves in the EPL? Are they still classed as great players?
As I said before this doesn;t mean these are top 20 players ever but it was just a quick google to put my point across. Most of the best players ever have never played in the EPL.
No, he tried to win for himself.
Simple fact is Ronaldo's ego is the only thing stopping him being the best. You think messi's goals are all down to playing in barca? Even though messi creates alot of goals from nothing on his own. But anyway, put ronaldo in the same barca team and he wouldn't do as well as messi. Why? Because messi is a team player, and ronaldo isn't.
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That statement is stupid.. Ronaldo tried his hardest for us, hence why we reach the champs league final and won the league. Hence why everyone called us a one man team....
His ego makes him who and what he is, That confident steak makes him try things most wouldnt do...