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Poor bloke. It was posted on LadyArse by Stephen Bradley but he said he knew him so it was a bit awkward showing it to everyone..

The Mirror's a tabloid no-one really trusts them but i would think this is true well hopefully :)

****** well hope so. Time for Pearce to stop thinking about his own CV and start thinking about England as a whole (because it will benefit Wilshere to be left out, and then continue in the Seniors rather than quite possibly missing out on Euro 2012 because he had played 100 games in 2 seasons)
 
Poor bloke. It was posted on LadyArse by Stephen Bradley but he said he knew him so it was a bit awkward showing it to everyone..



****** well hope so. Time for Pearce to stop thinking about his own CV and start thinking about England as a whole (because it will benefit Wilshere to be left out, and then continue in the Seniors rather than quite possibly missing out on Euro 2012 because he had played 100 games in 2 seasons)

pearce is thinking about england as a whole. if wenger was worried about burnout, why has he played more games than any other arsenal player? becuase you had trophies to try and win, and so does pearce. Time to stop wrapping our players up in cotton wool. Wilshere is the best player in the u21's
 
Poor bloke. It was posted on LadyArse by Stephen Bradley but he said he knew him so it was a bit awkward showing it to everyone..



****** well hope so. Time for Pearce to stop thinking about his own CV and start thinking about England as a whole (because it will benefit Wilshere to be left out, and then continue in the Seniors rather than quite possibly missing out on Euro 2012 because he had played 100 games in 2 seasons)



I suppose you think its more important for Wilshere to play games for Arsenal than his country... he is hardly going to miss out on Euro 2012, he will have enough time to recover and Pearce just wants to win a trophy for the country as a whole, funny how little something like that means to people nowadays
 
besides, unless wenger actually rotates him he will be playing 50 games this season, next season, season after that. does that mean we shouldnt ever pick him for england?
 
pearce is thinking about england as a whole. if wenger was worried about burnout, why has he played more games than any other arsenal player? becuase you had trophies to try and win, and so does pearce. Time to stop wrapping our players up in cotton wool. Wilshere is the best player in the u21's

Well he's played so much largely because Wenger hasn't had a choice. Diaby, Ramsey, Denilson have all had LT injuries this season (plus the latter is ****), Lansbury on loan, Fabregas injured, etc.

What's the chance that Wilshere will be able to have a full Arsenal season this time around, then play in the U21 tournament, then play another (more or less - 30 games or so) full season for Arsenal, and then STILL be able to play in Euro 2012? Minimal. He's played 50 games this season, + another 5/6 depending on how the U21s do, + another 30/40 for Arsenal with little time to have a break, + another 5/6 for England --> That's 2 years without an extended break playing football at just 19/20. I'd put a lot of money on him getting injured at some point during that period.

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I suppose you think its more important for Wilshere to play games for Arsenal than his country... he is hardly going to miss out on Euro 2012, he will have enough time to recover and Pearce just wants to win a trophy for the country as a whole, funny how little something like that means to people nowadays

Nope. All for England doing well with Wilshere but I think it's more important for him to play a) for Arsenal, and b) for the Seniors than it is for the U21s after his first full season.

besides, unless wenger actually rotates him he will be playing 50 games this season, next season, season after that. does that mean we shouldnt ever pick him for england?

Yeah - 40 games/season average, with a break this summer, and the summer after next. Of course he should be picked for England - that's exactly what I'm saying. There's a difference between playing for 2 years non-stop and playing your first full season, having a break, playing another season and missing out on your Summer break through Senior Internationals a year later - when he's older, fitter, and used to the demands of PL football.
 
Well he's played so much largely because Wenger hasn't had a choice. Diaby, Ramsey, Denilson have all had LT injuries this season (plus the latter is ****), Lansbury on loan, Fabregas injured, etc.

What's the chance that Wilshere will be able to have a full Arsenal season this time around, then play in the U21 tournament, then play another (more or less - 30 games or so) full season for Arsenal, and then STILL be able to play in Euro 2012? Minimal. He's played 50 games this season, + another 5/6 depending on how the U21s do, + another 30/40 for Arsenal with little time to have a break, + another 5/6 for England --> That's 2 years without an extended break playing football at just 19/20. I'd put a lot of money on him getting injured at some point during that period.

just becuase he is 19 doesnt mean he cant do it. He could play 20 games and still get injured so that doesn't stack up. Just becuase Wenger didnt rotate him doesnt mean england should suffer.

The fact is, this tournament is important otherwise they wouldnt pick him
 
Well he's played so much largely because Wenger hasn't had a choice. Diaby, Ramsey, Denilson have all had LT injuries this season (plus the latter is ****), Lansbury on loan, Fabregas injured, etc.

What's the chance that Wilshere will be able to have a full Arsenal season this time around, then play in the U21 tournament, then play another (more or less - 30 games or so) full season for Arsenal, and then STILL be able to play in Euro 2012? Minimal. He's played 50 games this season, + another 5/6 depending on how the U21s do, + another 30/40 for Arsenal with little time to have a break, + another 5/6 for England --> That's 2 years without an extended break playing football at just 19/20. I'd put a lot of money on him getting injured at some point during that period.

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Nope. All for England doing well with Wilshere but I think it's more important for him to play a) for Arsenal, and b) for the Seniors than it is for the U21s after his first full season.



Yeah - 40 games/season average, with a break this summer, and the summer after next. Of course he should be picked for England - that's exactly what I'm saying. There's a difference between playing for 2 years non-stop and playing your first full season, having a break, playing another season and missing out on your Summer break through Senior Internationals a year later - when he's older, fitter, and used to the demands of PL football.




if you say that he will be playing atleast a 100 games over the next couple of years I dont see how 5-6 more with the U-21s will affect him, plus he is playing for the country, U-21 or not... Country>Club
 
if he wasn't used to the demands he would have broken down, and who says any injury he picks up will next season be becuase of playing for england this summer?
 
just becuase he is 19 doesnt mean he cant do it. He could play 20 games and still get injured so that doesn't stack up. Just becuase Wenger didnt rotate him doesnt mean england should suffer.

How do England suffer from him being able to play in the Euros in 2012 without being too exhausted to contribute anything. I already part-explained the lack of rotation - obviously it's also Wenger's fault, but it will change next season.

He's 19 playing his first full season. Of course he CAN do it, but the likelihood is that he won't go 100 games without a hamstring tear or just plain exhaustion keeping him out for an extended period of time. Yes, he can just as easily do that in 20 games, but he's 5 times more likely to do it over 100 games.
 
How do England suffer from him being able to play in the Euros in 2012 without being too exhausted to contribute anything. I already part-explained the lack of rotation - obviously it's also Wenger's fault, but it will change next season.

He's 19 playing his first full season. Of course he CAN do it, but the likelihood is that he won't go 100 games without a hamstring tear or just plain exhaustion keeping him out for an extended period of time. Yes, he can just as easily do that in 20 games, but he's 5 times more likely to do it over 100 games.

he could pick up a hamstring tear at any point, they arent just fatigue injuries. Who says he will be exhausted for 2012 if he plays this summer? Its up to the club to manage him as well next season, not just for england to pick up the pieces come may.

Understand you dont like it, being an arsenal fan and hes your player, but even though pearce is looking at his well being like wenger is. he will do with england in mind, thats his priority
 
if you say that he will be playing atleast a 100 games over the next couple of years I dont see how 5-6 more with the U-21s will affect him, plus he is playing for the country, U-21 or not... Country>Club

Because the point is he won't have a break. You're missing the whole point of Wenger's frustration - it isn't about playing 5 more games, it's about playing through his holiday and not having a break..

@Mike. You can see from his performances in the 2nd half of the season, even before the CC final, that he was very tired. He needs a break but we're not going to agree so let's just leave it.


An overworked Jack Wilshere needs a break, not more games

The Arsenal midfielder has graduated to the senior England squad and should not be selected for Stuart Pearce's Under-21s



Europe's major powers will be shaping every move around the need to deliver the best starting XI in the best possible shape to Poland and Ukraine next summer for Euro 2012. Here in England, the country's finest young creative midfielder since Paul Scholes or Paul Gascoigne, Jack Wilshere, is being pitchforked back to a developmental level he has already passed through, purely so Stuart Pearce's Under-21s can look good at the junior European Championship which starts in Denmark on 11 June.

Pearce has yet to be properly pressed on where his priorities lie: helping England win Euro 2012 or improving his own CV, as candidates jostle to replace Fabio Capello next year. Maybe that's unfair. The decision should not be Pearce's to make. By allowing England's Under-21 coach the final say, Capello has abrogated his responsibility to take proper care of a 19-year-old who needs a summer break, then a managed pre-season programme with Arsenal, to protect his body and perhaps even his mind.

Using a petrol metaphor, Arsène Wenger, his club manager, said last week: "Jack is in the red for a while now and this can be a risk for his health. He knows he is nearly at the end of his energy level but he is keen to do well. To go to a tournament is a massive risk."

Capello and Pearceare not the only managers with questions to answer. If Wenger thinks Wilshere is overstretched, why has Jack the lad accumulated more playing time than any other Arsenal player: a total of 4,585 minutes? The breakdown is: 34 Premier League games, two FA Cup, five League Cup, seven Champions League and nine internationals.

In other words, if Wenger was so worried about burnout why did he play Wilshere in League Cup matches or not allow him a mid-season break? Because Cesc Fábregas was injured and/or Arsenal were desperate to win a trophy. New figures show Wilshere has spent more time on the pitch this season than all bar one of his senior England colleagues – Ashley Cole. Even before the Under-21s kick off, Arsenal play Fulham in Sunday's Premier League denouement and England face Switzerland in a Euro 2012 qualifier at Wembley on Saturday week.

Back in February an opportunity arose to chat one on one with Capello about Wilshere and the England coach talked about his rapid development in the Arsenal starting XI before expressing a major reservation.

"The Switzerland game is on 4 June – and it's a long season for him," Capello said, loosening his arms and shoulders to denote exhaustion. Even then he was worried about the strain on Wilshere's body. Four months later, he declines to intervene in Pearce's squad selection.

To call this the frontline in club v country is misleading – however fierce the campaign. Pearce was meant to announce his squad on Friday but postponed it until Monday as wrangling over Wilshere and Andy Carroll intensified. This is really England seniors v England juniors. The laudable aim of improving performances at youth tournaments has the potential side effect of damaging the country's prospects at full representative level, where England have won one tournament (the 1966 World Cup) in 61 years of trying.

Carroll is a more nuanced case, because injuries have restricted his appearances for Newcastle and Liverpool. Yet he, too, could be classified as a senior graduate who should not be sent back to undergraduate level.

Other countries use the Under-21s as a staging post to the senior team, and although Spain or Germany may expect their best young talent to show up for an Under-21 tournament, no continental coach in his right mind would summon a teenager who had played 54 times (or 56, by 4 June) when he was already an automatic starter in a team 12 months from a senior European Championship.

This is not just about a nice summer holiday in the Algarve for Wilshere. The life of the Champions League footballer is carefully calibrated to achieve peaks at the right points in a campaign. By playing in Denmark, Wilshere would miss his pre-season at Arsenal, have to play catch-up, probably push himself to be ready and generally be out of sync with the rest of the squad.

A major concern of Arsenal's medical staff is that the combination of a gruelling 11-month workload, no proper break and an accelerated return could make a mess of his 2011-12 season. This may be a risk worth taking if Wilshere were an Under-21 level player, but he is not. He is one of the first names on Capello's team-sheet.

From the press conference rooms of South Africa, I keep hearing Capello's World Cup mantra about England's players. Tired, tired, tired, Flat, flat, flat. Too many games of too much intensity, no winter break. The solution: send Jack Wilshere to Denmark to play through June.

An overworked Jack Wilshere needs a break, not more games | Football | The Observer
 
Hoping for a win. But fulham haven't beat us in a while so I reckon they'll win 2-1.
 
really dont know why you want to watch us loose more points :(
 
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