The Arsenal Thread

[sunilvk7]

For your knowledge I have seen enough of those players to have an opinion and all of them have got great potential but I do not think they are ready just yet to play week in and out Football of become key players for Arsenal

Plus this is why I hate debating with you, you always always bring other clubs into the matter even though it has nothing to do with them and I do not remember a time when I have slated Arsenals youngsters, if you read the post carefully enough you find that I do mention they have great potential, I just have my worries that their current ability and the pressure they are likely to face will bring their season to a premature end

Well if you are talking about Current ability you wouldn't have said EVER.

Yeah, I have clearly said I'm not comparing, but pointing out how you have tow different opinions on youngsters.

And you have great debating skills with though. Lot of times you just debate without any points with just assumptions. Hey but thats for other day..

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Except Wilshere played more games than any arsenal player last season. And he has a point, you talk abut chelsea's youngsters going on to be stars while downplaying play Arsenal's.

I question any post that says wilshere currently isnt good enough. You definitely havent seen much of Myaichi, or Campbell either for that matter

This. Thanks Mike for getting what I meant there.

 

[Alcaraz]

Except Wilshere played more games than any arsenal player last season. And he has a point, you talk abut chelsea's youngsters going on to be stars while downplaying play Arsenal's.

I question any post that says wilshere currently isnt good enough. You definitely havent seen much of Myaichi, or Campbell either for that matter

jeez.... read my post, I have said that many of Arsenals Youngsters have been excellent or they have great potential, when have I downplayed them?

And I have said Wilshere has been excellent, you just dont get the point of my argument do you?....... I feel their is a great risk that Ramsey-Wilsher wont be able to handle the immense pressure on them this season as they have always had the privilege to play around more experienced layers such as Fabregas and Nasri but now all of a sudden they are Arsenals key players and have ben thrust into the limelight, Wilshere would probably do an excellent job but the rest of Arsenals youngsters such as Ramsey, Campbell etc.... I am not too sure

 

[Athe~]

The problem is the depth of the Arsenal Squad, a few injuries to key players and they could find themselves in hot water indeed and their is a clear weakness at LB which needs to be sorted out

Of course they could do with more squad depth, but you don't need to splash out on 20m transfers merely for squad depth.

 

[Alcaraz]

Well if you are talking about Current ability you wouldn't have said EVER.

Yeah, I have clearly said I'm not comparing, but pointing out how you have tow different opinions on youngsters.

And you have great debating skills with though. Lot of times you just debate without any points with just assumptions. Hey but thats for other day..

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This. Thanks Mike for getting what I meant there.

apologies , I meant they they would not win trophies for Arsenal in the short-term

And instead of rebuttingmy point, you could have just accpeted the criticism I gave you as others have also told you this before, I agree I debate without too many points at time because honeslty speaking I am not so interested in soccer to go watch matches from different leagues etc. every week and talk from the view of a normal fan who watched his team and Reserves play week in and out

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Of course they could do with more squad depth, but you don't need to splash out on 20m transfers merely for squad depth.

not saying they should splash out 20m but there are definite areas needed for improvement which hopefully should be done by the time the window closes

 

[ajt09]

jeez.... read my post, I have said that many of Arsenals Youngsters have been excellent or they have great potential, when have I downplayed them?

And I have said Wilshere has been excellent, you just dont get the point of my argument do you?....... I feel their is a great risk that Ramsey-Wilsher wont be able to handle the immense pressure on them this season as they have always had the privilege to play around more experienced layers such as Fabregas and Nasri but now all of a sudden they are Arsenals key players and have ben thrust into the limelight, Wilshere would probably do an excellent job but the rest of Arsenals youngsters such as Ramsey, Campbell etc.... I am not too sure

Well, they may thrive. Everton's youngsters exploded onto the scene and have coped very well. Rodwell, Gosling..in the past Rooney aswell. Wenger will look after them well enough to make sure they don't self implode, he's the father figure type. Looks after them well and puts faith in them.

 

[Athe~]

not saying they should splash out 20m but there are definite areas needed for improvement which hopefully should be done by the time the window closes

I think everyone agrees on that... But many are going crazy "WENGA SPEND DA MONEYZ!" like they were going to be battling for relegation after losing a couple players.

 

[Mike.]

jeez.... read my post, I have said that many of Arsenals Youngsters have been excellent or they have great potential, when have I downplayed them?

And I have said Wilshere has been excellent, you just dont get the point of my argument do you?....... I feel their is a great risk that Ramsey-Wilshere wont be able to handle the immense pressure on them this season as they have always had the privilege to play around more experienced layers such as Fabregas and Nasri but now all of a sudden they are Arsenals key players and have ben thrust into the limelight, Wilshere would probably do an excellent job but the rest of Arsenals youngsters such as Ramsey, Campbell etc.... I am not too sure

Except Wilshere revelled in that last season, and Ramsey came back like he'd never been away, scored the winning goal against is.
Wilshere outperformed by a mile, if you are talking about pressure, he was one of the few players, along with song, who kept up his form all season, i would say RVP but he missed the first half. Wilshere was a key player last season. And yet not nce have i seen you questions chelsea youth players current ability

 

[Alcaraz]

Well, they may thrive. Everton's youngsters exploded onto the scene and have coped very well. Rodwell, Gosling..in the past Rooney aswell. Wenger will look after them well enough to make sure they don't self implode, he's the father figure type. Looks after them well and puts faith in them.

He has a great track record on that bit


In all seriousness, I never said they would definitely fail but their is definitely a good chance that they wont be able to handle the pressure, not saying that it is a cetainty but meh... you get the point, most managers would buy some experience to go along with that bunch but this could also be Wengers greatest season and I for one would be the first to have egg smacked on my face if these youngsters do come good for Arsenal this season and bring home a trophy

 

[sunilvk7]

apologies , I meant they they would not win trophies for Arsenal in the short-term

And instead of rebuttingmy point, you could have just accpeted the criticism I gave you as others have also told you this before,

Sorry, thats bs. Just because one random bloke posted that doesn't mean I always compare players. I do when needed. And the one who posted is not good enough to debate either, who just throws **** at United fans and cry that everyone is bitter towards his club.

 

[Alcaraz]

Except Wilshere revelled in that last season, and Ramsey came back like he'd never been away, scored the winning goal against is.
Wilshere outperformed by a mile, if you are talking about pressure, he was one of the few players, along with song, who kept up his form all season, i would say RVP but he missed the first half. Wilshere was a key player last season

but as I said, at the time he was playing alongiside players such as Fabregas and Nasri, if Wilshere looks at the team sheet today he will probably know that the a lot of burden rests on his shoulders, more than last season as a the time he had the likes of Fabregas and Nasri to reduce that burden and its a whole different ball game as this summer, everyone has been talking about him and basically a huge amount of pressure has been heaped solely on him, if he underperforms and has a poor start to the season then more and more pressure

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Sorry, thats bs. Just because one random bloke posted that doesn't mean I always compare players. I do when needed. And the one who posted is not good enough to debate either, who just throws **** at United fans and cry that everyone is bitter towards his club.

but when the debate is taking place on a certain topic their is no need to bring another club into it

or example if I was a Portsmouth Fan and then I start debating on whether Anderson can carry the burden of Man Utd's midfield and then you retort back to me by saying, he can easily get into Portsmouth Midfield or something along those lines..... you see what I mean, and thats something which you do quite often like when someone starts to debate on the tender age of Arsenals squad for exampl, you bring in how Chelsea's squad is ageing when it has nothing to do with the topic

Even now when I was mentionin about Arsenal younsgters, you could have easily told me that no Alcaraz I believe their younsgters have lot of potential etc. rather than telling me how I exaggerate Chelsea Younsgters

My intention is not to slate you mate, not at all, hope you dont take this in the wrong way

 

[sunilvk7]

but as I said, at the time he was playing alongiside players such as Fabregas and Nasri, if Wilshere looks at the team sheet today he will probably know that the a lot of burden rests on his shoulders, more than last season as a the time he had the likes of Fabregas and Nasri to reduce that burden and its a whole different ball game as this summer, everyone has been talking about him and basically a huge amount of pressure has been heaped solely on him, if he underperforms and has a poor start to the season then more and more pressure

Dude post what ever you want except capability of Wilshere to handle pressure. He was the only Midfielder in Europe who played well against Barca and came out with MOTM performances..

 

[Mike.]

but as I said, at the time he was playing alongiside players such as Fabregas and Nasri, if Wilshere looks at the team sheet today he will probably know that the a lot of burden rests on his shoulders, more than last season as a the time he had the likes of Fabregas and Nasri to reduce that burden and its a whole different ball game as this summer, everyone has been talking about him and basically a huge amount of pressure has been heaped solely on him, if he underperforms and has a poor start to the season then more and more pressure

And again you miss the point. It was him who was key in driving the team along. He revels in being a key player already. Nasri wasnt helping him, he was helping players like nasri who were seemingly coasting along, over the season he was Arsenals best and most consistent player, because he thrived n the pressure, and will do so again

If you're good enough you're old enough, and it applies perfectly to Wilshere

 

[Alcaraz]

I think everyone agrees on that... But many are going crazy "WENGA SPEND DA MONEYZ!" like they were going to be battling for relegation after losing a couple players.

tbh,many are angry because with the current squad Arsenal had, they were falling short of winning trophies which is what the fans want and now that squad has been weakened further, thats why fans are angry beacuse they believe this squad is not good enough to win the League or even each the top 4 and Wenger is not realising this and putting too much faith in youngsters who may not come good

Unfair for us to make judgements before the window closes I suppose but I can only see a CB coming in for Arsenal this summer

 

[sunilvk7]

but when the debate is taking place on a certain topic their is no need to bring another club into it

or example if I was a Portsmouth Fan and then I start debating on whether Anderson can carry the burden of Man Utd's midfield and then you retort back to me by saying, he can easily get into Portsmouth Midfield or something along those lines..... you see what I mean, and thats something which you do quite often like when someone starts to debate on the tender age of Arsenals squad for exampl, you bring in how Chelsea's squad is ageing when it has nothing to do with the topic

Even now when I was mentionin about Arsenal younsgters, you could have easily told me that no Alcaraz I believe their younsgters have lot of potential etc. rather than telling me how I exaggerate Chelsea Younsgters

My intention is not to slate you mate, not at all, hope you dont take this in the wrong way

No I never debate in that manner. I bring up other players to show double standards in their posts.

For Ex: You posted Arsenal youngsters wont win them trophies EVER, then you go on about how good Chelsea youngsters are. So I bring up that comparison to show how differently you post when it comes to other youngsters. Not to belittle any player or any youngster.

 

[Alcaraz]

And again you miss the point. It was him who was key in driving the team along. He revels in being a key player already. Nasri wasnt helping him, he was helping players like nasri who were seemingly coasting along, over the season he was Arsenals best and most consistent player, because he thrived n the pressure, and will do so again

If you're good enough you're old enough, and it applies perfectly to Wilshere

lets see how he does this season then, although you have to agree that their is a chance he might crumble under the pressure and to add to my point, he is but one player... the likes of Ramsey, Myiachi still have a lot to prove if they want to be key players for Arsenal and RVP has to stay injury-free, the I think Arsenal could easily make the top 4 and maybe even give a strong challenge for the title

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No I never debate in that manner. I bring up other players to show double standards in their posts.

For Ex: You posted Arsenal youngsters wont win them trophies EVER, then you go on about how good Chelsea youngsters are. So I bring up that comparison to show how differently you post when it comes to other youngsters. Not to belittle any player or any youngster.

I thought I agreed that it was a typo, let me just make this clear that I believe Arsenals Younsgters hae a great deal of potential (more than Chelsea's) and all my posts on the Chelsea Thread on our youngsters was only to shut people up who think we lack youth talent really

 

[Mads2506]

@Sulsey and all the other armchair managars who thing they know best: Age has absolutely no correlation to ability, we could buy a 25 year old cdm and he may be no better than Frimpong but you'd be jizzing your pants because he's not 19, not going to say whether or not he's of the quality required because I just don't know, but I trust Wenger's opinion over some armchair manager. Fabregas debuted when he was 16 btw.

Age has no correlation to ability, but it does to experience.

 

[Mike.]

lets see how he does this season then, although you have to agree that their is a chance he might crumble under the pressure and to add to my point, he is but one player... the likes of Ramsey, Myiachi still have a lot to prove if they want to be key players for Arsenal and RVP has to stay injury-free, the I think Arsenal could easily make the top 4 and maybe even give a strong challenge for the title

One player doesn't make the team, but that player can make the difference. Common sense would be to wait rather than question his aiblity when he has clearly demonstrated it last season. Miyachi hasnt got anything to prove, since he isnt being asked to be a key player, and Ramsey has to prove he can be consistent

 

[Athe~]

tbh,many are angry because with the current squad Arsenal had, they were falling short of winning trophies which is what the fans want and now that squad has been weakened further, thats why fans are angry beacuse they believe this squad is not good enough to win the League or even each the top 4 and Wenger is not realising this and putting too much faith in youngsters who may not come good

Unfair for us to make judgements before the window closes I suppose but I can only see a CB coming in for Arsenal this summer

I can't think of 4 better teams than the current Arsenal squad. They'll be up there, certainly.

 

[GodCubed]

Age has no correlation to ability, but it does to experience.

This. Age has no correlation to ability technically, but mentally (and as FM players we all know the importance of mental strength) experience helps immeasurably. Every so often you'll find a youngster with a veteran's head, and I think Wilshere might be one of them, but he's one in a thousand.

 

[Mads2506]

or Chelsea for signing 3 teenagers.

Chelsea are supposed to buy young players though. That's a big part of our problems.