I watch a good amount of both, actually for reasons not relating to either keeper. I never said my opinion was definitive, but seen enough to draw a pretty fair conclusion
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I watch a good amount of both, actually for reasons not relating to either keeper. I never said my opinion was definitive, but seen enough to draw a pretty fair conclusion
And a poacher.
Except it isn't. Even if you watched every game of De Gea's this season and compared it to every one of Chesney's, it wouldn't be enough. Just too many variables, and not enough games (for Chesney) to compare them properly at all.
Can we shut up about keepers now?
I think we should get Samba
:'( I hate you people.
lets noot stray offtopic now as this is the ARSENAL thread
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he ment Koscielny but we'll let him off
I'm not a united fan - you seem to assume that just because I don't agree with you. However my team's financial situation is decent, thanks for your concern
And De Gea IS better than Szczesny, and it'll probably stay that way. If you want to win, you need the better player. Value for money works fine for mid-table teams, or teams in financial trouble, but that is not your case.
And your Barça comment is plain stupid - just stinks of hatred and jealousy, you really should take a deep breath and think before you post something that doesn't make sense - I mean, saying Barcelona don't develop youngsters...
Oh right - forgot Atlético are a powerhouse, they have a great defense... You fail to consider the fact that De Gea had to deal with a bad defense, in a league that is not below the prem, but at the same level, and even more so for those teams who are stuck in the middle of the table.
Sczeszny or however the **** you spell, not a patch on De Gea mate, did you see Szceszney against Tottenham? He looks error prone and he has shown he is a few times this season. Although considering Arsenal never spend on a goalie he is your best hope.
He does? I thought every goalie makes mistakes at some point?
Indeed at some point they do, but I get a feeling his over confidence does not help. He comes across as cocky therefore putting unwanted pressure on himself. VDS who I personally think is best keeper in prem, he is completely humble and very mature, to me this is the way to go as it does not put any pressure onto yourself.
I'm not a united fan - you seem to assume that just because I don't agree with you. However my team's financial situation is decent, thanks for your concern
Meh. My point stands - Abramovic has lost a ****-load of money and Chelsea's finances are nowhere near as secure as Arsenal's, shown by the fact that if FFP came in now, you'd struggle to pass it legitimately.
1. Never said he wasn't. Admitted in pretty much every post he's better and that it will stay that way - "not a huge gap" = just that.
2. Ha! That's absolute bull-****. So only mid-table teams focus on trying to get value for money? OK then. Value for many is the principle in most cases at most top clubs. Exceptions are made - like in the case of Torres, but obviously every team would like to get value for money. Wenger's just more principled than others so he doesn't pay over the odds. Most of the time, that works out, but that isn't really what this argument is about.
Oh and buying a new stadium for almost 500M generally puts us in some debt and so we've avoided being put into financial trouble by being sensible.
Don't get me started on Barca. I hate them, I am in no way jealous. Maybe you should take a deep breath, read what I said, and reconsider if I you think I was saying Barca don't develop youngsters. That's precisely my point - they do. And it works brilliantly - especially considering their financial situation.
Their defence isn't that bad. I was making an ironic point about how everyone criticises Arsenal's defence so much - obviously you didn't get that bit of my quote. Let's not open another can of worms on La Liga vs PL, please. This is a thread about Arsenal and it's de-railing enough as it is. La Liga is certainly far less physical than the PL, so Mike's point that De Gea has better aerial control etc. isn't especially valid, especially when you look at the stats I posted.
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VDS also made a mistake this season. De Gea has made mistakes. Keepers make mistakes. Szczesny also made several good saves against Spurs, as he has throughout his season. Did you see him against United? He looked excellent. You can't judge him on one game ffs.
He gave away a penalty, which Sagna could also be blamed for for losing track of Lennon, and made a heap of quality saves to save us from losing.
Whats your point? Pretty much every keeper gives away a penalty every now and then.
That was an example of when he made an error, I have not judged him on one game... that would be stupid. But I think like I have said earlier that I think he is over confident and cocky which may cause the mistakes or errors to creep into his game. Obviously he has proven he is a good shot stopper, but there is a lot lot more to keeping then that. His handling to me looks suspect, especially at corners.
I am not saying he is a really bad keeper, just my personal view on him. On a final note I will just add that I suppose it is not hard to look good after having Almunia as a GK. But why Arsenal do not spend on a keeper is just plain stupid IMO.
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I can't believe this debate has got so heated, I meant no offence to Arsenal in the slightest. All I was saying was that winning trophies helps to entice and finance such transfers, and I think De Gea is the better player currently. No one can say how they will both develop in the future. The fact that you took it as a dig at your lack of trophies just shows how much of an issue it is for your club. I was just trying to elicit an informed response and start a sensible debate, but you have to go on the defensive all the time! It's pathetic, as are the digs at Barca all the time.
I admire Wenger's financial control, but what is the better model? Develop your own youths and control your finances, or spend large amounts, win trophies and grow as a global brand? With winning trophies, Wenger's model would of course be far superior
I got defensive because you made a vague point about Man Utd winning trophies without explaining it. After saying you didn't mean to attack Arsenal, you go on to do exactly that: "The fact that you took it as a dig at your lack of trophies just shows how much of an issue it is for your club."
How am I pathetic for defending my club? What have I done to be pathetic? And when have I had a dig at Barcelona in this debate? The debate de-railed into something I didn't really want it to but as far as I'm concerned, the debate wasn't particularly heated. I didn't agree with Mike, he didn't agree with me along with some others.
I really don't want to go into this again tbh. I'm probably "pathetic" for that, too.
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You think that was an attack on Arsenal? It obviously is an issue, because all you do is defend that fact when it isn't even being questioned! Perhaps pathetic was too strong a word, but you come across as very narrow minded and unable to take criticism. I'm certainly not the kind of fan who flaunts success and jibes others for their lack of it, but you automatically think that I am because I support United. How about we just leave it at: I think De Gea is better, and will be well worth the money if we invest. Sorry that I derailed your Arsenal thread
How did you (mistakenly) conclude I'm a Chelsea fan?
Anyways, when you're a mid-table club you try as hard as you can to get best value for money. When you're at the top, or if you want to get to the top, then you have to be willing to pay the price of the better player. It's not paying over the odds - but paying what is right. And You have been financially prudent, I'm not arguing that - but by now you should have more than enough money to buy whatever players you need to try and end your trophy drought.
And yes, I did get that bit - but as much as I think you could use an improvement in the defense department, Atletico are miles behind you, which, IMO, makes those stats (which favor the spaniard as they are) even more favorable to De Gea.
//Edit - On the Barça subject, when you said 'paying over the odds' I thought you were referring to the Fabregas case in particular. I'm getting used to you complaining about Barça, probably a bad habit!
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The only thing I would add is that it isn't necessarily about the stats. As a centre back myself, I would honestly say that a good, dependable 'keeper behind you improves your own game. When you aren't confident in your teammate's ability, you tend to over compensate and take on too much, making more mistakes yourself. A great 'keeper will often have little to do but wil do their job when called upon