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Otherwise we'd have Szczesny, Fabianski and Mannone you mean? Fabianski made excellent progress last season.
De Gea may be better than Szczesny, but I know who I'd prefer considering the cost of them both. It pays to spot talent early
what happened to Fabianski?
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Otherwise we'd have Szczesny, Fabianski and Mannone you mean? Fabianski made excellent progress last season.
De Gea may be better than Szczesny, but I know who I'd prefer considering the cost of them both. It pays to spot talent early
It could be argued tha winning trophies gives you a platform from which to buy the best young players. Obviously it's great to get a star player on the cheap, but it's not good to be obsessed with saving money if you aren't getting the better player. It remains to be seen which 'keeper will develop to become the better, but I'd personally prefer to have De Gea at this stage. Wenger's best attribute is probably the ability to spot talent early, but I do think SAF has improved on his judgement over the years. Hopefully these two 'keepers will be plying their trade at the highest level in England for years to come, they certainly have the ability.
Eh? What's winning trophies got to do with anything? Is that just your automatic response to someone when they appear vaguely critical of something happening to Manchester United? "Well we win more trophies!"
It's not about being obsessed with saving money - it's about getting a player who isn't/won't be IMO that far behind De Gea for free (more or less) compared to getting a player who's the same age for £20M. This isn't a competition between who can spot talent earlier, I'm simply saying that I'd rather have Szczesny.
Calm down, hes making the point that success often lead to players wanting to come to you. Woj is quite far off De Gea for one, and is yet to show all the makings of proceeding being a top top keeper, whereas De Gea already has shown all the attributes needed, now he just needs to keep it up.
Oh okay, they're the same age - the fact that De Gea is better than Szczesny is irrelevant, I see.
Love that you ignore the rest of my post. Top marks.
I admitted De Gea is better, I just said I'd rather have Szczesny because De Gea isn't significantly (£20M worth) better than Szczesny and I feel our 'keeper is better value for money.
It just annoys me that the first argument people think of is "We have won more trophies".
You say Woj is quite far off De Gea, but he's not that far off tbf. Szczesny has shown he can be a top keeper - De Gea trailed away at the end of the season and Utd's interest was widely reported to have lessened. Even the Utd fans on here were saying: "I'd rather have Neuer" or "I'd rather have Stekelenburg ". Now you've signed him, though, every Utd fan is keen to defend him and their signing which is all well and good until I try and defend one of our players and get shot down.
Success in recent seasons may mean you can attract better quality players now for a higher price, but we've managed to attract plenty of top players - we just don't pay over the odds like Utd often do. This is completely irrelevant, however, since it's an Arsenal thread.
Neuer is the on form keeper in the world, so of course we would want him more than De Gea. But its a no brainer. You dont pay over the odds and you have missed out still on plenty of top players. When you consider his age 20m is value for money, and he is considerably better that Woj, pretty much anyone will tell you that.
Pretty much any UTD fan will tell me that, sure. He's better than Szczesny and he's got more experience but IMO they'll end up about the same level and Szczesny isn't as far behind De Gea as you make out.
The point about wanting Neuer is that people are fickle. One minute they only want De Gea and will be furious if SAF dares sign another keeper, the next minute they hear De Gea has lost form and they want someone else. Then De Gea looks like he's about to sign and suddenly it's all about him again.
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Stats don't tell the whole story, but they tell some of it:
De Gea v Szczesny Mins per goal conceded 65-71, Saves per game 3.9-2.9, Saves to shots ratio 74%-69%, Catch Success 97%-92%
I'd sign De Gea for 20 quid, certainly. Unfortunately it's roughly a million times more than that
And it will make a difference in the long-term. The point isn't that De Gea is better than Szczesny - of course he is, the point is that the gap isn't as big as people are making out and I'd rather have a top quality goalkeeper who I signed for nothing, than a top quality GK I paid £20M for when I could have spent that money elsewhere - like, for example, on helping keep my club financially secure and away from the prying hands of corrupt Americans.
De gea is almost as good as Iker was at his age, a few argue possibly better, this is pretty much the consensus across Spain; Woj is not. Nothing to do with being a UTD fan. Been saying this before we even showed any interest in him, it is in fact the reason i got so excited about it when we did. And no, pretty much any fan will tell you that.
Woj is very good, but there is a clear gap between the two, in particular when it comes to command and aerial presence
£20?! lol you mean 20 M
Nononono, I meant £20. By De Gea I didn't mean the goalkeeper, but the prostitute in Soho.
Surely, as GodCubed as pointed out several times, if he was better than Casillas was than he would be in the National Team, like Szczesny is. We're not going to agree here - you back your player, I'll back mine.
he's not our player yet, and you keep ignoring the fact that this is what is being said right around spain, not just by united fans.
*COUGH* Szczesny is Polish and De Gea is Spanish *COUGH* De Gea's competition is Reina, Casillas and Valdés *COUGH*
I'm not ignoring that. I accepted that the general view is he's better than Szczesny and has a great future. Not sure where I've disputed his quality - it's you that is disputing Szczesny's quality. I doubt people have paid a keen interest in Szczesny right around Spain, so I doubt they know how much better De Gea is.
Obviously I'm biased, but my only point is that I don't think De Gea is 20 million times better than Szczesny, and that I'd rather have the latter because of the business sense in it and the fact he'll also become a top keeper. IMO, there won't be a huge gap between them.