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Although, saying that; I cannot see him joining Arsenal either, probably be Real Madrid.
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doubt we are buying Kun if we get Neymar, and the Lukaku deal is quite close for us as recent reports state that we are close to buying Kevin De Bruyne from Genk who will presumbably loaned to Anderlecht as part of our package to buy Lukaku... obviously I would take Kun over him anyday but again I doubt we are going to cough up 40m for Kun and I think Man City will sign him as Tevez looks like he is going to move this summer
1. This happened ages ago!
2. Hypocrisy Is Rife As Barca Point The Finger « Young Guns || Unrivalled Coverage Of Arsenal's Young Players & Their Development --> It's not really poaching. Bellerin wanted guarantees of first team football within x years, which Barca couldn't give him so Arsenal signed him and paid compensation among other candidates for his signature including Utd and co. (He said himself he had offers from Arsenal, Utd, Chelsea).
Re: Harper, "The Gunners took advantage of employment laws in Spain to offer the player a contract before the Catalan club were legally allowed to [...] The laws regarding the signing of youth players without doubt need to be tightened up, but the hypocrisy Barcelona show on the matter is frightening."
Barcelona were the ones "poaching" in this instance, Wenger spoke to Guardiola about Toral-Harper and Bellerin had already refused a contract before we approached him, while they offered Afobe and Aneke moves through their agents without contacting Arsenal.
15M? What an absolute bargain.
Re: The Barcelona signings again..
"Bellerin turned down a new contract last month, following a series of disagreements with coaching staff. Chelsea and Manchester United were both initially keen, but Arsenal moved quickly to secure his services. A compensation package of around €400,000 is said to have been agreed [...] All in all, around €1 million will eventually change hands."
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OK OK - let's keep this about Arsenal and not Chelsea!
Fabregas all over again. Isn't it. The reason both signed was for first team action and like Fabregas he will discover his Barca DNA after few years if he makes a cut at Arsenal..
Don't start this please. This "Barca DNA" bollocks is really tiring - if you're aiming to wind me up, well done - you've succeeded but I won't respond other than this post.
1. The Barca DNA stuff is exactly the kind of thing that shows Barca to be arrogant c***s. They think they have a divine right to whatever player they want and show massive disrespect to anyone who stands in their way as well as, IMO, Cesc Fabregas by valuing him at such a ridiculous price. It's not negotiating - they've said they won't go above about 40M Euros which is embarrassing tbh.
2. He won't. His mother is English so there's less risk with this deal. Bellerin, however, didn't get off to the best of starts. Before agreeing the Arsenal deal he said he couldn't say no to Barca if they offered him a move back. Miquel was released by Barca, though and before moving to Arsenal, he rejected an offer from them - he clearly understands the meaning of respect and that if a club releases him, they don't rate him - their arrogant attitude though means they change their minds after a while and decide they do want them back. Too late and too bad.
Not trying to wind you up. Just stating the obvious. Well if he has English roots then better for Arsenal.
Even I dont give **** about Barca DNA. There is nothing like that. But the way whole Fabregas fiasco has panned out, just thought we might see part 2 in future again..
May have over-reacted, but would prefer if you simply said that, rather than "he will discover his Barcelona DNA" which to me, and perhaps I'm being over-sensitive, was asking for a reaction (esp. since you know my usual reaction to the long-running Fabregas saga).
I actually said a week or two ago that I didn't think the Bellerin deal would happen because of the comments he made and because Wenger has been more cautious about signing Spanish youngsters recently (As I said, Toral-Harper is English) but he surprised us all with that tbh.
It was £29m last summer and the figure you qouoted is the max. they're willing to pay in Euros.(= about £35m, the same amount as Andy Carroll was sold for, and £15m less than Fernando Torres was sold for, a player who had scored just 9 goals and was by all accounts, flopping.)
They weren't "negotiating", that was and is, their valuation of him. It's also the same amount their paying for Rossi - explain to me how he isn't worth more than that in the current market and how that valuation isn't only insulting to Arsenal, but to him.
I do agree with the inflated market. But I think their valuation of him is lower more to do with the fact that they know he really wants to go, so if they put in a 40m bid they know that Fabregas will more than likely try to force the club to accept and let him leave.
1. I don't think he'll do that tbh. He had talks with Wenger last season when this happened, and basically said it's up to him whether to let him go or not as far as I know. Obviously it wasn't as simple as that, but Cesc has never tried to push through the transfer and I don't see him starting now, especially since he's captain. Maybe I'm just being optimistic.
2. They haven't bid £40m, though. Arsenal value him at at least £45m, and they're essentially offering £10m less than that, and won't go higher.
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But would you think it's best if Arsenal dropped down to the Europa?
I agree it wouldn't be the end of the world, but if we did want to win something just for the sake of winning something then Carling cups the way to go.
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So they are insulting you by having a maximum price. right.............
Did I say that? It's insulting if they're maximum price is that low. It just shows their arrogance - they think they can just sign whoever they want, and that's why I linked back to the original article. They can't do business properly - either they pay the full amount, or they can ****** off.
They have a maximum price they would sign cesc for, they have valued him at a maximum of 35million. what is wrong with that, at least some clubs arent giving into this inflated market... Value for money is the term SAF likes to use. It is not insulting, you dont have to accept it.
But that's a ridiculous price. If they won't go over that, what's the point in bidding? They know Arsenal won't accept, so they're just trying to unsettle Cesc, which is disrespectful because it shows they're not willing to conduct business in the proper way. They clearly are giving into inflation - they're trying to sign Rossi for £35m - is he worth that? Is he worth the same amount as Cesc Fabregas, one of the best midfielders in Europe? No, I don't think so.
If City continually talked about Rooney in the media, said "We'll sign him whether Utd like it or not" and "He belongs at City", do that for 2 years, and then eventually make one bid, which is £20m less than Utd valued him at, would you accept that? Or if Barca did it?