The Arsenal Thread

[Scott]

But that's a ridiculous price. If they won't go over that, what's the point in bidding? They know Arsenal won't accept, so they're just trying to unsettle Cesc, which is disrespectful because it shows they're not willing to conduct business in the proper way. They clearly are giving into inflation - they're trying to sign Rossi for £35m - is he worth that? Is he worth the same amount as Cesc Fabregas, one of the best midfielders in Europe? No, I don't think so.

If City continually talked about Rooney in the media, said "We'll sign him whether Utd like it or not" and "He belongs at City", do that for 2 years, and then eventually make one bid, which is £20m less than Utd valued him at, would you accept that? Or if Barca did it?

It is a ridiculous price in your opinion, Look at Hugain being priced around for 15million, is cesc really worth 3 of him? No he is not. Are they some sort of mind readings, who are meant to know if Arsenal will accept or not, It is not like your season was great, nor was his, maybe his price has dropped over the past 6 months. Rossi is a proven La liga goal scorer, With Villa there only other goal scoring number 10, whilst Cesc isnt worse then Xavi and Iniesta who currently how that position, so to them, maybe there worth the same.

Oh you mean like Madrid did with Ronaldo, for all of 3 summers, and Fergie kept to his guns and got 80million for his man. Arsenal dont have to accept anything.

 

[Quasit]

It is a ridiculous price in your opinion, Look at Hugain being priced around for 15million, is cesc really worth 3 of him? No he is not. Are they some sort of mind readings, who are meant to know if Arsenal will accept or not, It is not like your season was great, nor was his, maybe his price has dropped over the past 6 months. Rossi is a proven La liga goal scorer, With Villa there only other goal scoring number 10, whilst Cesc isnt worse then Xavi and Iniesta who currently how that position, so to them, maybe there worth the same.

Oh you mean like Madrid did with Ronaldo, for all of 3 summers, and Fergie kept to his guns and got 80million for his man. Arsenal dont have to accept anything.

You can't compare Higuain to Fabregas and even if Real are selling him for 15m that doesn't mean his worth 15m.

 

[Joss]

It is a ridiculous price in your opinion, Look at Hugain being priced around for 15million, is cesc really worth 3 of him? No he is not. Are they some sort of mind readings, who are meant to know if Arsenal will accept or not, It is not like your season was great, nor was his, maybe his price has dropped over the past 6 months. Rossi is a proven La liga goal scorer, With Villa there only other goal scoring number 10, whilst Cesc isnt worse then Xavi and Iniesta who currently how that position, so to them, maybe there worth the same.

Oh you mean like Madrid did with Ronaldo, for all of 3 summers, and Fergie kept to his guns and got 80million for his man. Arsenal dont have to accept anything.

Yes. Exactly like Madrid did with Ronaldo - I bet you didn't like that, did you? It's not business and it's disrespectful to the other club involved if they basically have very little intention of involving us in the transfer; more focused on unsettling the player then on agreeing a deal with us (or in Madrid's case, Utd).

Higuain is being put on the market by the RM president - they want to sell him quickly and he's (for some reason) not wanted.

Arsenal haven't and won't put Fabregas up for transfer because they no longer want him. They don't have to be mind-readers to know Arsenal aren't interested in selling him - it's brought up in almost every press conference Wenger does, and he always replies with "If they are interested in signing our players, they can call me but we have no intention of selling our captain". That's pretty clear, and it's a statement re-iterated by the board.

They're hoping Fabregas will be unsettled, and push for a transfer himself. In what way is that respecting Arsenal? Cesc Fabregas is a proven PL midfielder - what's your point? Not like he's got much to prove in La Liga which, IMO, isn't as good as the PL and certainly isn't as competitive or physical. If he's going to sit on their bench, why are they bidding for him? It's arrogance because they think they have a divine right to sign whoever they want, irrespective of the club they want to sign from.

 

[sunilvk7]

Have to say Fabregas deserves respect for not pushing for transfer. If any player was in his place they would have put transfer request. The player has matured beyond his years..

 

[Joss]

If he put in a transfer request, we'd probably have to sell him but it would still be on our terms - we're under no financial pressure to sell and the situation would become a scenario of "how much" rather than "if" he'll go (for).

 

[sunilvk7]

If he put in a transfer request, we'd probably have to sell him but it would still be on our terms - we're under no financial pressure to sell and the situation would become a scenario of "how much" rather than "if" he'll go (for).

Yes, but if he does put transfer request then you will be under pressure to sell him or accept lower fee than expected. Hypothetical scenario, if he puts transfer request means he dont want to play for the club, I dont know good is it to keep the player who no longer wants to stay..

 

[Quasit]

If he put in a transfer request, we'd probably have to sell him but it would still be on our terms - we're under no financial pressure to sell and the situation would become a scenario of "how much" rather than "if" he'll go (for).

Yes and if he put in a transfer request he wouldn't have any say in the matter to which club he'd go for. We could only agree to sell him to highest bidder and in Cesc case there would be bids from at least both Milan clubs, City, Chelsea and Barca.

So he wouldn't most likely end at Barca ( unless they are the highest bidder which is unlikely ) if he did put in a transfer request and he knows that. Then only chance for him to join Barca would be by bosman when he's contract ends.

 

[CJ]

Yes and if he put in a transfer request he wouldn't have any say in the matter to which club he'd go for. We could only agree to sell him to highest bidder and in Cesc case there would be bids from at least both Milan clubs, City, Chelsea and Barca.

So he wouldn't most likely end at Barca ( unless they are the highest bidder which is unlikely ) if he did put in a transfer request and he knows that. Then only chance for him to join Barca would be by bosman when he's contract ends.

No, If he puts in a transfer request then he will go to Barcelona. Of course he has a say in the matter, they're not forcing him to sign a contract with Man City are they?

 

[Mike.]

No, If he puts in a transfer request then he will go to Barcelona. Of course he has a say in the matter, they're not forcing him to sign a contract with Man City are they?

exactly he could still reject contracts from all clubs except barca. This whole situation could be helped if Cesc came out and told Barca to stop talking about him

 

[AdamArsenal]

The new financial rules come in this year, maybe this is why Arsene has been saving up and spending wisely, to keep the club in a good financial situation.

 

[Quasit]

No, If he puts in a transfer request then he will go to Barcelona. Of course he has a say in the matter, they're not forcing him to sign a contract with Man City are they?

You know for certain that Cesc wouldn't sign for Milan or Inter? Probably he wouldn't sign for any other Premier team and Real, but Inter and Milan are completely different.

 

[CJ]

You know for certain that Cesc wouldn't sign for Milan or Inter? Probably he wouldn't sign for any other Premier team and Real, but Inter and Milan are completely different.

YOU said that he would have to sign for anyone who offered the most money to Arsenal, which is fundamentally wrong. I highly doubt he would sign for anyone apart from Barca as then straight away the same situation will crop up. When he leaves Arsenal, hes going to Barcelona.

 

[Quasit]

YOU said that he would have to sign for anyone who offered the most money to Arsenal, which is fundamentally wrong. I highly doubt he would sign for anyone apart from Barca as then straight away the same situation will crop up. When he leaves Arsenal, hes going to Barcelona.

Yea that first part came out bit wrong. What I meant that anyone who offered the price we list him for. Because when he's transfer listed we cant hold out for bidding war anymore.

 

[CJ]

Yea that first part came out bit wrong. What I meant that anyone who offered the price we list him for. Because when he's transfer listed we cant hold out for bidding war anymore.

Yes you can. You don't have to accept ANY bids. You can reject his transfer request if you wish...

 

[Joss]

Yes, but if he does put transfer request then you will be under pressure to sell him or accept lower fee than expected. Hypothetical scenario, if he puts transfer request means he dont want to play for the club, I dont know good is it to keep the player who no longer wants to stay..

Yes, but it will still be on our terms. If he put in a request, we'd have to sell him but we'd force Barca to up their bid - they know for certain he's interested and he'd go for between our valuations, so probably about £40m. He won't though, I don't think because he clearly loves Arsenal and the fans and isn't going to be a **** about it IMO.

exactly he could still reject contracts from all clubs except barca. This whole situation could be helped if Cesc came out and told Barca to stop talking about him

He won't though - of course he won't. No players do, he just doesn't comment on it. I expect Arsenal have banned the media from asking him about it (A little like SAF and Giggs ). Also because it's technically legal, just really annoying and it's not even just through the media - Guardiola came to a Spanish NT training session to talk to him about it, and Rossell claimed they already had a deal with Fabregas and just had to sort it out with Arsenal (which is tapping up)

 

[Quasit]

Yes you can. You don't have to accept ANY bids. You can reject his transfer request if you wish...

Yes, but what good would rejecting his transfer request do to us?

And if we'd transfer list him we would list him at our valuation and then why would anyone bid over that? So bidding war is pointless.

 

[Mike.]

Rossell was showboating because of the presidential elections. but see what you mean. But Fabregas is a big boy, we all know Barca wants him bad, he knows it. Its not going to turn his head, or finally make his mind up. If he goes it will because he wants to, not becuase barca have been nagging away like bleating sheep

 

[Joss]

Yes, but what good would rejecting his transfer request do to us?

And if we'd transfer list him we would list him at our valuation and then why would anyone bid over that? So bidding war is pointless.

I think he's just responding to your original post which suggested that by transfer-listing him, he would HAVE to go to Inter or someone other than Barca which isn't true. He'd hand in a request specifically to go to Barcelona so we'd tell Barca they can have him for £40M and they would either do a deal this summer or soon after or he'll go to one of the Milan sides (doubtful). We don't have to accept his request, but when we accept bids, he can accept whichever contract offer he likes.

 

[Quasit]

I think he's just responding to your original post which suggested that by transfer-listing him, he would HAVE to go to Inter or someone other than Barca which isn't true. He'd hand in a request specifically to go to Barcelona so we'd tell Barca they can have him for £40M and they would either do a deal this summer or soon after or he'll go to one of the Milan sides (doubtful). We don't have to accept his request, but when we accept bids, he can accept whichever contract offer he likes.

Yea my I bit of rushed my post and it came bit wrong.

 

[Joss]

Rossell was showboating because of the presidential elections. but see what you mean. But Fabregas is a big boy, we all know Barca wants him bad, he knows it. Its not going to turn his head, or finally make his mind up. If he goes it will because he wants to, not becuase barca have been nagging away like bleating sheep

I know - although he knows they want him in the first place because they do that. They talk to the media first, talk to him about it when they meet up with him on Int. duty (which by PL rules is actually illegal) and then make a bid after 2 years of what I perceive to be blatant tapping up, or getting around the rules by using players etc.

But it's even more disrespectful if they continue to do it. They know he would join them, they're just increasing the pressure on him to push for a move and on Arsenal - testing our resolve but they still don't make a bid.

Re: Rossell - it was a silly thing to say, really. I'm sure it was bull-**** for the elections, and probably not worth investigating but UEFA could at least show some intent on their behalf and warn them or something. Because if it IS true, it's tapping up and they, like Chelsea, should be punished.