The Celtic Match Thread

[Mike.]

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Benefits of Celtic in the English Leagues for the English League and their teams

• More fans at games
• More TV viewers
• More competitive league
• More global appeal (yes you have your United and Liverpool but Celtic have large groups of dedicated followers around the globe also)
• More merchandising

Negatives of Celtic in the English Leagues for the English League and their teams

• Some of the smaller teams will feel threatened
• Might ruin the integrity of the English Leagues (that have Welsh team in them)

The points are obviously open to interpretation and more points could be added at either end? But Currently it looks like the Benefits outfight the negatives.

Love how you miss my points. Ive repeatedly stated the levels of the benefits, why they arent substanstial financially, especially when compared to the PL, should probably read what ive written first, as ive posted a lot on it, amazing how you pick that post, and yet ignore the dozen others. Maybe I should throw in a big thumbs up too oO).

As if posted repeatedly, none of the financial benefits would be life altering for any PL. Even the bottom club makes significantly more money than Celtic already. The only side who would massively benefit is Celtic. As has been pointed how when they rejected it in 2009. There is more in it for you than PL.

And my point about the scottish league isnt ignorance, its pretty **** important that you attempt to boost your flagship league, try trying to skip out on it and join ours.

 

[ajt09]

We don't want Celtic, we don't need Celtic. Scottish football NEEDS Celtic, and Scottish football needs Rangers. Without them, it would collapse because basically, monetarilly it would be disastrous without them. If people cannot accept that-they are just so incredibly ignorant. All this **** about gate receipts, monetary value or whatever-****. Simple as. It won't have any affect whatsoever. Just concentrate on making the Scottish football league better, because basically it's imploding. Don't think for one second we will make it better for your club-because we won't. Your league is in a mess right now. Get it sorted. The fans think our league will make it better-when it's the opposite. Deal with it. We are not the band aid for Scottish football.

 

[juventus1980]

We don't want Celtic, we don't need Celtic. Scottish football NEEDS Celtic, and Scottish football needs Rangers. Without them, it would collapse because basically, monetarilly it would be disastrous without them. If people cannot accept that-they are just so incredibly ignorant. All this **** about gate receipts, monetary value or whatever-****. Simple as. It won't have any affect whatsoever. Just concentrate on making the Scottish football league better, because basically it's imploding. Don't think for one second we will make it better for your club-because we won't. Your league is in a mess right now. Get it sorted. The fans think our league will make it better-when it's the opposite. Deal with it. We are not the band aid for Scottish football.

Imagine if Scottish managers were as closed minded about moving across the boarders as you all are about moving the idea of Celtic and Rangers moving to England.

I find it weird, your all so happy to have scottish managers running your best clubs, but you won't even consider having a scottish club in your leagues. Without the Scottish managers, English football would be finished.

 

[ajt09]

Imagine if Scottish managers were as closed minded about moving across the boarders as you all are about moving the idea of Celtic and Rangers moving to England.

I find it weird, your all so happy to have scottish managers running your best clubs, but you won't even consider having a scottish club in your leagues. Without the Scottish managers, English football would be finished.

I don't care about scottish managers doing well in the english leagues. All credit to them. It's fully deserved. Alex Ferguson is a tremondous manager. And Moyes is a tremondous manager in the making. But to say English football would be finished without Scottish mangers is an absolute insult to the other managers. Think before you post such ignorant statements.

 

[IceCreamAndJelly]

Love how you miss my points. Ive repeatedly stated the levels of the benefits, why they arent substanstial financially, especially when compared to the PL, should probably read what ive written first, as ive posted a lot on it, amazing how you pick that post, and yet ignore the dozen others. Maybe I should throw in a big thumbs up too oO).

I have seen your points, all they are saying is it doesnt make it much better....
But Celtic would make the league better than say Wigan. It may not be a massive difference but it makes it better.
Having another big team in the EPL is only a good thing for the Premiership brand.

We don't want Celtic, we don't need Celtic. Scottish football NEEDS Celtic, and Scottish football needs Rangers. Without them, it would collapse because basically, monetarilly it would be disastrous without them. If people cannot accept that-they are just so incredibly ignorant. All this **** about gate receipts, monetary value or whatever-****. Simple as. It won't have any affect whatsoever. Just concentrate on making the Scottish football league better, because basically it's imploding. Don't think for one second we will make it better for your club-because we won't. Your league is in a mess right now. Get it sorted. The fans think our league will make it better-when it's the opposite. Deal with it. We are not the band aid for Scottish football.

The club is concentrating on improving the SPL. (as Mike was shown earlier when he suggested otherwise)
This is a forum so im just discussing why Celtic would improve the English league if hypothetically it was to happen.
As for the band aid comment, get over yourself. When has the EPL been asked to save Scottish football?

 

[ajt09]

I have seen your points, all they are saying is it doesnt make it much better....
But Celtic would make the league better than say Wigan. It may not be a massive difference but it makes it better.
Having another big team in the EPL is only a good thing for the Premiership brand.

the thing is, Celtic will not improve the league whatsoever. And to say it would make it better because you say Celtic is better than Wigan is ****. You may disagree, but I say it's an insult to Wigan. Why would Celtic be better than Wigan?

 

[Mike.]

I have seen your points, all they are saying is it doesnt make it much better....
But Celtic would make the league better than say Wigan. It may not be a massive difference but it makes it better.
Having another big team in the EPL is only a good thing for the Premiership brand.



The club is concentrating on improving the SPL. (as Mike was shown earlier when he suggested otherwise)
This is a forum so im just discussing why Celtic would improve the English league if hypothetically it was to happen.
As for the band aid comment, get over yourself. When has the EPL been asked to save Scottish football?

Wigan are here on their own merit, they got themselves promoted in (will probably get themselves relegated at this rate) Argue it this as Wigan would, indeed as they likely did when the vote was cast in 2009.

Who are you to say that you can just walk into the PL. What about the other 72 sides in the football league? What about the 20 sides in the PL.

Why do you get to push in at little benefits to everyone else? You should join at the bottom like everyone else.

Thats the kind of non finanicial reasoning they are throwing out.

The question though, is how good for the brand? and financially, its not that much better, If it was you can bet that beady eyed Scuadmore would be finding a way to get you in.

Of course, if it was massively beneficially i'm sure this kind of attitudes would disappear from clubs. They don't want you for League make up reason, and don't want you for financial reasons. The costs of doing something so unpopular outweighs the benefits, financial or otherwise.

 

[ajt09]

I just cannot get over the arrogance of that statement. Celtic over Wigan? Sorry but if you think you're that good, you start at the bottom then earn you're right to be in the top flight. You have no right whatsoever to go straight into the top flight whatsoever. The Npower Championship has some excellent clubs in there. Put yourselves against them, and rest asured, you'll see why so many managers say it's the toughest league to be promoted from. To say Celtic would make the league better than say Wigan is just the height of pure arrogance. Earn your right to be there like everyone else. Then judge. But until then, be quiet.

 

[ajt09]

Btw when I mean be quiet I mean about Celtic being in the English League. Besides, Celtic are hardly a big team.

 

[AM67]

English fans saying Wigan are a bigger club than Celtic and we wouldn't get out of the championship lol

You all obviously don't like the idea of Celtic being in your league for whatever reason you aren't even acknowledging the benefits we'd bring

Although I guess there wouldn't be any as we're such a small club and you already have teams like Wigan in the Best League In The World (TM)

 

[ajt09]

English fans saying Wigan are a bigger club than Celtic and we wouldn't get out of the championship lol

You all obviously don't like the idea of Celtic being in your league for whatever reason you aren't even acknowledging the benefits we'd bring

Although I guess there wouldn't be any as we're such a small club and you already have teams like Wigan in the Best League In The World (TM)

Why would Celtic get out the Championship so easily? Hypothetically obviously, becuase it's not going to happen.

 

[Mike.]

English fans saying Wigan are a bigger club than Celtic and we wouldn't get out of the championship lol

You all obviously don't like the idea of Celtic being in your league for whatever reason you aren't even acknowledging the benefits we'd bring

Although I guess there wouldn't be any as we're such a small club and you already have teams like Wigan in the Best League In The World (TM)

No one said Wigan were bigger. It was said who were Celtic to come across as push them aside. No need to get a chip on your shoulder. Again its the scale, but you havent acknowledged this yourself.

 

[AM67]

Why would Celtic get out the Championship so easily? Hypothetically obviously, becuase it's not going to happen.

I don't mean to be disrespectful to Championship sides as I know there are a number of good sides and big clubs in the championship, but even with our current team we'd easily be the best side in the league. Once you factor in us being able to attract a higher level of player and having more money to do so even you must agree we'd be promoted within a few years, if not straight away..

 

[AM67]

No one said Wigan were bigger. It was said who were Celtic to come across as push them aside. No need to get a chip on your shoulder. Again its the scale, but you havent acknowledged this yourself.

I still don't understand how you can say the benefits we would bring to the English leagues are not significant. Would taking a side like Manchester United out of the EPL not be significant?

 

[Mike.]

I don't mean to be disrespectful to Championship sides as I know there are a number of good sides and big clubs in the championship, but even with our current team we'd easily be the best side in the league. Once you factor in us being able to attract a higher level of player and having more money to do so even you must agree we'd be promoted within a few years, if not straight away..

Beg to differ to be honest. Plenty of sides could make difficult for you. More difficult than you think, you underestimate some of the quality in the league.

And its also startlingly arrogant to even try and walk at the second tier. That is one of the big reasons against.

 

[ajt09]

I don't mean to be disrespectful to Championship sides as I know there are a number of good sides and big clubs in the championship, but even with our current team we'd easily be the best side in the league. Once you factor in us being able to attract a higher level of player and having more money to do so even you must agree we'd be promoted within a few years, if not straight away..

There are no best sides any more in football. Bottom clubs can beat the worlds biggest clubs. If you put a club like Reading against Celtic (as an example) they'll be in for a shock. The style of football is different totally. No team,regardless of size, is the best in the league. So to say you'd be easily best in the league is sorry, laughable. Celtic would have the biggest shock of their lives. And if they themselves think they'd be best in the league-then they need a kick up their backsides. It's the most arrogant piece of garbage I've ever heard in my life. You have to earn you're place in a league not assume it. To assume it is just pure self destrutive arrogance. I'm nearly speechless by what I'm reading.

 

[Mike.]

I still don't understand how you can say the benefits we would bring to the English leagues are not significant. Would taking a side like Manchester United out of the EPL not be significant?

Manchester United is one of the biggest clubs in the world in terms of global marketing and commercial value. Only Real Madrid get more revenue. Hundreds and hundreds of Millions of people watch them around the globe. Their financial and commercial value is virtually unmatched. Celtic's global marketing and commercial appeal doesn't even being to get anywhere near that. If it did you wouldnt even need to leave the SPL. You absolutely cannot compare the two. Celtics global financial appeal isnt actually all that high, at all, hence the paltry TV deals at the moment, though you are set for a bigger one, thankfully.

I'm not saying it, Deloitte (who advised Scudamore prior to the 2009 vote) are saying it.

 

[AM67]

There are no best sides any more in football. Bottom clubs can beat the worlds biggest clubs. If you put a club like Reading against Celtic (as an example) they'll be in for a shock. The style of football is different totally. No team,regardless of size, is the best in the league. So to say you'd be easily best in the league is sorry, laughable. Celtic would have the biggest shock of their lives. And if they themselves think they'd be best in the league-then they need a kick up their backsides. It's the most arrogant piece of garbage I've ever heard in my life. You have to earn you're place in a league not assume it. To assume it is just pure self destrutive arrogance. I'm nearly speechless by what I'm reading.

Really? You think Celtic wouldn't get promoted from the championship, and you're saying we're arrogant? Didn't Newcastle absoloutely walk it a couple of years ago?

 

[ajt09]

Thing is, what I don't get is (as has probably been said already), why join another league, instead of making your own better? What's more important-making your own country's league better, or just buggering off to join another purely for your own financial benefits when you're not in any way guaranteed success?

 

[ajt09]

Really? You think Celtic wouldn't get promoted from the championship, and you're saying we're arrogant? Didn't Newcastle absoloutely walk it a couple of years ago?

No I don't. No team is guaranteed instant promotion-why should Celtic be guaranteed instant promotion? They haven't even earned the right to be in the Championship for a start. It would be me being an Everton fan, expecting instant success in the Scottish Premiership. Obviously hypothetical-but also ludicrous and disrespectful to other clubs