Those Hearts fans would be singing "The Georgie Boys" and the killie fans would be singing "The Killie boys" it is no different from Hibs and Dundee United fans etc from singing Pro IRA songs.
If it's no different then why do Celtic fans get lambasted for singing songs like Boys Of The Old Brigade (which contain the word IRA) in it? As soon as people hear the word IRA they immediately think of the modern day terrorist groups such as the Provisional Irish Republican Army (PIRA, active between 1969 - 1997) and the Real Irish Republican Army (RIRA, formed in 1997 as a split from the PIRA). These are separate groups that formed much later from the
ORIGINAL IRA, which is what songs like Boys Of The Old Brigade are about. They are not about the PIRA. They are not about the RIRA. They are about the IRA - Irish Republican Army, who fought for Irelands independance against the British between 1919 - 1921.
Could you explain to me how "fenian" is a sectarian word? Like i have already stated, the IRA terrorist who terrorised everyone including other Irish nationalist and normal everyday Irish people of the 40's onwards have tarnished the good name of the "real IRA" who fought and died for Ireland. They tarnished the word "fenian", no one else did. So yes i see no problem in people being up to their knees in "modern day IRA" terrorist who bullied, robbed, ran drug rings, murdered people (large part of those people WERE IRISH NATIONALIST) fenian blood. I wouldn't have an issue with people singing about being up to thier knees in al qaeda blood which btw is the exact same thing.
Fenian, which is a word for "Irish warrior" and doesn't actually mean Catholic in itself, is
USED as a derogatory word for Catholic which is aimed at Celtic supporters and THAT is why the word "fenian" is classed as sectarian. While the ORIGINAL terminology can describe Irish soldiers, terrorists, extremists etc, it is used and classed as more of a religious derogatory term, so when you and all the other Rangers supports are singing about "wading up to your knees in Fenian blood", you're meaning it to be wading up to your knees in Catholic's blood because that is what YOU - not the IRA or subsequent groups - are meaning it to be. Quick example - a few years ago I was called a "fenian b***ard" just because I supported Celtic. I suppose that's not sectarian is it??!! You'll be saying that Taig isn't a sectarian term either next.
The original terminology of fenian has been taken by other people, ie Rangers supporters, from it's original meaning to a sectarian meaning and to try and pass the buck by saying the IRA has tarnished the word is beyond stupid and is typical of a lot of the Rangers supporters - passing the blame to everyone else and making it seem as if it's someone ELSE'S fault. When was the last time you heard a Celtic fan call someone else a "fenian b***ard"? If you're thinking that "wading up to your knees in Al Qaeda blood" is meant the same these days as "wading up to your knees in fenian blood" then you're more deluded than you make out to be. Plus even IF you sing about "wading up to your knees in Fenian blood" the way you're trying to mean it, you're basically glorifying the killing of Irish soldiers, which is no better than anyone who support groups like PIRA or RIRA.
Wow how long have you been supporting Celtic then? 3-5Years is my assumption. Ill include the actual stuff i know about and not just "heresay"
Celtic fans banned from the stadium for X amount of months in the 40/50's for Pro **** Support.
I don't know where you got this "fact" from but it's complete rubbish and doesn't even warrant an answer.
Celtic greatest ever manager Jock Stein refused a seat on the board of directors due to him not being an Irish Catholic, this continued to his death.
Once again, utter rubbish. Jock Stein left Celtic because he was forced to stand down as manager to make way for a younger manager, and that manager who took over was Billy McNeil. Stein wanted to continue as manager because he said that he still had something to offer but the board wasn't having any of it. If it was because he wasn't a Catholic then why did he play for the club from 1951 - 1956 and later become manager in 1965? Religion had NOTHING to do with it.
Celtic Football club fined £42,430 in 2007 (there 2nd fine in 12 months) due to Pitch invasions. Quote from Uefa "Celtic FC have been fined 50,000 euros by Uefa for the improper conduct of their supporters at last week's Uefa Champions League Group E match against Manchester United FC in Glasgow."
This is utter nonsense because Celtic never even PLAYED Manchester United in 2007!! The club was fined £25,000 in 2007 for
ONE fan coming onto the pitch and mocking AC Milan 'keeper Dida (who went down as if shot). The only Manchester United "incident" was in 2008 when, again, only
ONE fan came onto the pitch. Both of who were punished and banned from Celtic Park.
Celtic Football club yet again in a Uefa probe due to the misconduct of thier fans in - 2008
See above as is the same point.
Celtic Fan fined £5000 for making "plane gestures" towards American Rangers player Claudio Reyna 6days after the tragic September 11 attacks on the twin towers. Yes you read that right "plane gestures" - 2001
Once again, this
ONE fan was banned from Celtic Park......actually, I'm not going to go through this lot of "facts" because while some are true, most others will be rubbish but we can be here ALL year going back and forth with things like this. ALL teams have their element of idiots, BUT at least Celtic take responsibility for it and do something about it while not taking on a "who told on us" mentality while also trying to reason why it's ok to sing about "wading up to the knees in fenian blood".
Those three fans above were banned and just to pick the aeroplane one - ONE Celtic "fan" doing an idiotic thing like that in amongst around 53,000 is not the same as THOUSANDS of Rangers fans singing sectarian & bigoted songs and rioting in Manchester. The two Celtic fans who came onto the pitch hardly warrants a "pitch invasion" either.
Barcelona's newspaper "Marca", even wrote about the Rangers fans on their behaviour -
"PLEASE, DON'T EVER COME BACK AGAIN
Dear Rangers supporters- never come back to Barcelona again. And not because your players themselves aren’t a legitimate team. No, it’s not because of that- the Nou Camp frequently hosts teams who are lazy, boring, who only defend, who run and kick their opponents, and who shouldn’t be in elite competition. On top of this, Rangers merely defend, run at the opposition and play dirty. Their defenders are butchers, their midfielders, heavy-footed; and their strikers just stand there like the furniture.
But even apart from the footballing aspect, the best thing would be for Rangers never to return to Barcelona, because every time they do, they make a mess of the place. 35 years ago, you (the Rangers supporters) destroyed the seats at the Nou Camp. This time we have enjoyed no less than 48 hours of brawls, provocation, rackets, fights and common drunk women throughout the whole city, which you have fouled however you pleased.
Stay at home and vomit in your own living-room, urinate in your sitting-room corners, fight with your neighbours, the Celtic supporters (who deserve a prize just for putting up with you) and foul the streets of Glasgow instead. Don’t come back here again, because it is not a laughing matter. And, by extension, don’t play in the Champions’ League either. You are not at that level neither in a sporting nor human sense.
There are noisy groups of supporters who, although they drink vast amounts of beer, make friends at the same time. But you? Not you, because everywhere you go, you turn into a rubbish tip. You are undesirables. And so are those who fraudulently sell, or “rent out” their tickets. These people screw Barca over, because they trade their season tickets illegally. And in doing this they cause massive annoyance for other members of the club. A true Barcelona fan would not re-sell their ticket for the match. If you are not going to the match, give it to a family member, or you could even use the 'Seient Lliure' service (an automated ticket service used by some Spanish clubs including Barcelona).
From now on, the responsibility lies with UEFA and the club itself to ensure who the ticket is sold to. The best thing for all of us would be that you as a supporter, in a moment of lucidity, decide not to travel if you do not have tickets. As that is never going to happen, those who sell the tickets illegally must be brought to justice. But the best thing would be if we never had to play Rangers again.
"
Rangers had singed a Catholic before Celtic were even formed. FACT.
They may well have signed a Catholic before Celtic were formed but that doesn't prove anything. In the 1960s, a former player, Ralph Brand, made the "no catholic" signing policy that Rangers had public knowledge and it's here where the sectarianism really started. Just one example was the booing by Rangers fans during the minutes silence for John F Kennedy who, surprise surprise, was a Catholic. Vice Chairman Matthew Taylor was questioned about Rangers "no Catholics" policy and he stated that he felt that the policy was “part of our tradition....we were formed in 1873 as a Protestant boys club. To change now would lose us considerable support.” By him saying that it just proves that Rangers put religion ahead of anything, even to this day.
If this wasn't the case then why did huge sections of Rangers fans burn their scarves and season tickets after the signing of Mo Johnston? It wasn't because he was an ex-Celtic player but because he was a Catholic. Why did Shota Arvaladze get booed by huge sections of Rangers fans in a Linfield match after he crossed himself? Why were players like Lorenzo Amoruso told to cross themselves in the tunnel before going onto the pitch at Ibrox? Why was it, that back in 2008, for a major corporate function due to be held at Ibrox, the person in charge ordered the bakers to make sure there was nothing
GREEN on any of the products? Other items banned from being included in anything available to buy at the stadium were
GREEN straws and pepperamis. In the restaurant inside Ibrox, Eggs Benedict was even taken off the menu. Oh, and if that wasn't bad enough, the price that was put on the Christmas lunches that year at Ibrox was £16.90. Hmmmmmmm a coincidence that THAT is the date of the Battle of the Boyne? I think not.
I'm surprised that Ibrox have allowed green grass in the stadium!
All of the above and Rangers are doing their "best" to eradicate sectarianism? My backside they are!
Celtic are a club open to all regardless of race, religion, *** or age.
Rangers are club open to all as long as it doesn't go against their terms & policies on religion.
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Spot on, its very sad that rangers fans won't admit to the bigotry of their club even though their ex chairman has.
That is because they are one word - deluded.
