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Nobody is saying that we shouldn't sell Mata, but why did we need to sell him to United? Yes we got more money than most would be willing to pay him but we don't need it. It would have been much better for us to sell him for less in the summer and take a small loss to screw United over. The only reason it would be sensible to sell him to those ******* if we reinvest that money now into a big player.

Not really, if we kept hold of him for another 6 months he doesn't play a lot, doesn't go to the world cup his value halves. We don't have to play Utd again this season and by selling him for so much we can build our squad to make it better. Even with Mata at Utd we are in a much better position this season, next season and for the foreseable future i am not worried.
 
Not really, if we kept hold of him for another 6 months he doesn't play a lot, doesn't go to the world cup his value halves.

Does it matter? Unless we are planning to go for a ?40m+ striker in this window, we didn't need the money. We could have easily bough Salah to replace KDB, used Mata for the games where he was relevant and then sold him in the summer.


We don't have to play Utd again this season
He's 25, it's not as if he's going to be getting any worse any time soon


by selling him for so much we can build our squad to make it better.
So far by selling him we've gotten Salah, who we could have bought anyway. Can't really judge if it'll make our squad better until the window is finished.

Even with Mata at Utd we are in a much better position this season, next season and for the foreseeable future i am not worried.
As funny as it's been watching United flounder this season, that's not going to become the norm. They have enormous amounts of money to spend and can still attract top talent. If they get the right 2/3 players, they're going to be right back up there again. Not to mention the huge moral boost we've just given them.
 
The same 32 year old who just recently scored a hat-trick against Utd and has only 3 goals less than Rooney so far?

Yeah, I bet that was your plan from the beginning. He's not having a go at Eto?o, but stating the fact that you went to United for Rooney only to be rebuffed over and over, yet you agree a deal with them for your POTS at the first time of asking. While Mata clearly doesn't fit into Jos?'s plans, strengthening a rival -if only a theoretical one- is not something you want to do, particularly in January.
 
The reactions on here are hilarious. If you can't understand why Mata has been sold and Salah is coming in then you need help. The only problem here is that Juan is going to United.

Any other team and I would be happy but with Mata going to United, it's always going to leave a sour taste.

And isn't that why people are angry? That he is being sold to United?
 
Anyways I am not going to judge till the transfer window is over. But Subtle is completely spot on ... If we sold Mata to bring in Saleh and Zouma then that's some horrific transfer business. If we sell him and manage to get a world class central midfielder/striker by the end of the window, not quite sure whom mind, then it will make some sense at least

Anyways all sorts of rumours flying around now which is expected considering the influx of cash we have just received
 
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Does it matter? Unless we are planning to go for a ?40m+ striker in this window, we didn't need the money. We could have easily bough Salah to replace KDB, used Mata for the games where he was relevant and then sold him in the summer.

We have to sell to buy its as simple as that. Mata would have played less and less if that's even possible.



He's 25, it's not as if he's going to be getting any worse any time soon

That's fine, he and they will get better but so will we.

So far by selling him we've gotten Salah, who we could have bought anyway. Can't really judge if it'll make our squad better until the window is finished.


As funny as it's been watching United flounder this season, that's not going to become the norm. They have enormous amounts of money to spend and can still attract top talent. If they get the right 2/3 players, they're going to be right back up there again. Not to mention the huge moral boost we've just given them.[/QUOTE]

Utd would have been back in contention sooner than people think with or without the signing of Mata.



Yeah, I bet that was your plan from the beginning. He's not having a go at Eto?o, but stating the fact that you went to United for Rooney only to be rebuffed over and over, yet you agree a deal with them for your POTS at the first time of asking. While Mata clearly doesn't fit into Jos?'s plans, strengthening a rival -if only a theoretical one- is not something you want to do, particularly in January.

Yet i bet if we bid 50million for Rooney Utd would have accepted and why?? Because its over his value. If Chelsea bid over Hernandez's value Utd would have accepted it and he sits on the bench every weekend too. Utd were the only side to bid as high as that so it had to be accepted simple as that.

Anyways I am not going to judge till the transfer window is over. But Subtle is completely spot on ... If we sold Mata to bring in Saleh and Zouma then that's some horrific transfer business. If we sell him and manage to get a world class central midfielder/striker by the end of the window, not quite sure whom mind, then it will make some sense at least

Anyways all sorts of rumours flying around now which is expected considering the influx of cash we have just received

We also signed Matic this window lets not forget, infact 2 of the positions we were lacking massively in we sorted this window in a defensive midfielder and a proper "chalk on your boots, gets round the outside of the fullback" winger. This has been a good month for us for sure.
 
Does it matter? Unless we are planning to go for a ?40m+ striker in this window, we didn't need the money.

But you do need the money. It doesn't matter if Roman has virtually unlimited resources, there's FPP checks in place now. If you end up with a loss it will eventually come back to bite you in the ***.
 
But you do need the money. It doesn't matter if Roman has virtually unlimited resources, there's FPP checks in place now. If you end up with a loss it will eventually come back to bite you in the ***.

Chelsea are relatively comfortable in the FFP as it is anyway. I don't think the main point is being hammered home here. The money made from the two deals totals up to almost ?60 million, added to whatever was planned for the summer. A new striker, plus a couple more additions, from this January is fantastic in the long-term.
 
Chelsea are relatively comfortable in the FFP as it is anyway. I don't think the main point is being hammered home here. The money made from the two deals totals up to almost ?60 million, added to whatever was planned for the summer. A new striker, plus a couple more additions, from this January is fantastic in the long-term.

Yes you are completely spot on with FFP. We are alright with FFP ... But now whether this sale was good or bad all depends on how we use the funds now. Salah is a good buy for depth. But if he is the only player we are going to buy then this transfer makes no sense in the slightest

Lets see, Emeleano and Jose are smart men and I am trying to be optimistic
 
Why do you buy when all you can do is recall your 100s of players from loan

Recall who though? ... Marin sucks and Piazon is not ready. We probably didn't put a recall clause in Moses' loan or Jose simply doesn't rate him enough. Former looks more likely

Only loanee's I can think of who are ready to play a role next season are probably Lukaku and Courtois. It's a shame Kalas got injured because this season was really his chance to shine
 
Recall who though? ... Marin sucks and Piazon is not ready. We probably didn't put a recall clause in Moses' loan or Jose simply doesn't rate him enough. Former looks more likely

Only loanee's I can think of who are ready to play a role next season are probably Lukaku and Courtois. It's a shame Kalas got injured because this season was really his chance to shine

So as a club you will always rely on loan deals to improve the player and won't put any effort to improve them by giving them few mins when they are youngsters?

I know all the clubs do that, they send players on the loan to lower league clubs when they are youngsters but Chelsea and to an extent City took it to whole new level.
 
So as a club you will always rely on loan deals to improve the player and won't put any effort to improve them by giving them few mins when they are youngsters?

I know all the clubs do that, they send players on the loan to lower league clubs when they are youngsters but Chelsea and to an extent City took it to whole new level.

And what benefit will giving Piazon 5 minutes off the bench provide? It's much better to have him go on loan to a club where he actively feels a part of things and gains minutes such as Vitesse who are fighting for the title. Not to mention that he has barely spent 6 months there so far although he has been incredibly impressive ... Still it's so much better for his development for him to stay there and help them win the title rather than come back and sit on the bench for 6 months
 
And what benefit will giving Piazon 5 minutes off the bench provide? It's much better to have him go on loan to a club where he actively feels a part of things and gains minutes such as Vitesse who are fighting for the title. Not to mention that he has barely spent 6 months there so far although he has been incredibly impressive ... Still it's so much better for his development for him to stay there and help them win the title rather than come back and sit on the bench for 6 months

That's what I was saying. Instead of playing same team week in week out, it would be good for the club to play few youngsters from time to time. I think Carlo was the last manager to do that at Chelsea when he tried Josh.

I can understand Chelsea point of view too but it's surprising that after investing lot on academy Chelsea barely promoted anyone to the first team since Terry 15 years ago.
 
That's what I was saying. Instead of playing same team week in week out, it would be good for the club to play few youngsters from time to time. I think Carlo was the last manager to do that at Chelsea when he tried Josh.

I can understand Chelsea point of view too but it's surprising that after investing lot on academy Chelsea barely promoted anyone to the first team since Terry 15 years ago.

Ya and that didn't exactly turn out well. I think the main reason the club academy has suffered is due to a lack of stability at the top. Managers less likely to give youngsters a chance if their job is on the line ... Although hopefully with the arrival of Mourinho, this problem has been negated. If Mourinho is really here for the long-term which looks likely and with the amount of talent we have in the academy, I think it's inevitable we will see 1-2 players rise to the first team in the next 3-4 years

I am betting on Kalas and Chalobah. Mourinho rates both very highly
 
I do feel another reason why we suffer is the way we treat young players like kings. The likes of Josh and Chalobah are already making 25k p/w when they first sign a contract. This gives them less incentive to work hard and is probably unhealthy for a guy that age to be having so much money around. Not to mention all the needless hype ... No wonder Josh has regressed so badly. At the rate he is going, he will be very lucky to carve out a career at any EPL club
 
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