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Jimmer said:
Agree with CJack to an extent, Sala, Mancienne and Tore never really cut it. Building an entire youth policy/culture from scratch is a difficult job and there was definitely failures but a legacy of Tejera, Cork, Borini, Kalas, Lalkovic, Matic, Bertrand, Mceachran, Bruma, Van Arnholt, Sinclair, Kakuta etc is a pretty good legacy to leave in the club's history.

But then again I can definitely see BlueHeart's point this is also the guy that sold half of them and pushed the Shevchenko deal (+A few other's like Kalou/Mikel), so there is definitely a split opinion on him personally, would prefer AVB/Chief scout given his duties and maybe designate a team of 2 scouts to undertake the specific job of youth scouting and report to the CS who can then make recommendation's to AVB. Doubt Roman's reading but DOF isn't really needed with Gourlay/Di Matteo/AVB/Daniel Sousa.
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Agree with you to a certain extent, although the players he has brought through look really good, they can easily go on to play a big role for the club and all we have to do is give them chances, if a DOF does get appointed I'd prefer it to be Zola who I know is the type of person who will listen to Villas-Boas and not push for signings that AVB does not want.. I really feel that Roman needs to give AVB a free hand on transfers, I mean AVB is hardly going to bring a **** player to the club, he will only bring young and exciting players and I hope Roman adopts this sort of attitude from now if he really wants that Champions League

And from his press conference it looks like AVB is someone who will thrive in the pressure to win trophies, he has said that if he does not win trophies he cant see himself being the manager of Chelsea and he said that thats his challege, good to see he takes a realistic view and is prepared to face this challenge head-on
 
CJACKO11 said:
How is Arnesen ****?? He has set up Chelsea's youth acadamy to be one of the best in Europe. The players we sold to Hamburg we were not forced to sell them were we, and possibly the players we sold arnt good enough to play for our first team.
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its about principles. not about who he took, but the fact that he took some players. and lets imagine the players he took were good? i assume every player has a release clause in his contract, so if Arnesen hit that price and the player wants to go, we wont be able to do anything to stop him.

if he was a man of principle he would never do that. but he did, and will do it again.
 
BlueHeart said:
its about principles. not about who he took, but the fact that he took some players. and lets imagine the players he took were good? i assume every player has a release clause in his contract, so if Arnesen hit that price and the player wants to go, we wont be able to do anything to stop him.

if he was a man of principle he would never do that. but he did, and will do it again.
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there was no point imagining the players are good cos they were not... the likes of Sala and Tore would never have made it in my opinion and he more or less took them so they can get a new lease of life at another club... if he tried to tap up players like Josh and Dani then I would agree with you
 
Alcaraz said:
there was no point imagining the players are good cos they were not... the likes of Sala and Tore would never have made it in my opinion and he more or less took them so they can get a new lease of life at another club... if he tried to tap up players like Josh and Dani then I would agree with you
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what makes you think that he wont go after them too? :)
 
BlueHeart said:
what makes you think that he wont go after them too? :)
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for starters he has little to no chance of getting them cos

1. Chelsea>Hamburg in every aspect

2. Chelsea are a richer club than Hamburg so he cant entice them by offering them any sort of money
 
BlueHeart said:
its about principles. not about who he took, but the fact that he took some players. and lets imagine the players he took were good? i assume every player has a release clause in his contract, so if Arnesen hit that price and the player wants to go, we wont be able to do anything to stop him.

if he was a man of principle he would never do that. but he did, and will do it again.
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He didn't "take" the players, he BOUGHT them.
 
Mads2506 said:
He didn't "take" the players, he BOUGHT them.
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whatever, my point stays the same.

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Alcaraz said:
for starters he has little to no chance of getting them cos

1. Chelsea>Hamburg in every aspect

2. Chelsea are a richer club than Hamburg so he cant entice them by offering them any sort of money
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well if both aint getting enough chances, im sure they will definitely seek a first-team football, and guess who will be the first to come and get them? yer thats right, our bud Frankie :) and BTW, we will be extremely stupid if we lose Josh. Along with Wilshere, maybe the best English talents England have seen in a long long time.
aye, maybe Arnesen deserves some praise for that :)
 
BlueHeart said:
whatever, my point stays the same.
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How is buying players Unethical? Even Chelsea sign players, but I didn't see you moaning about it..

Hamburg offered money, Chelsea accepted, Players wanted to move to get first team chances, deal are done. What is wrong in this..
 
sunilvk7 said:
How is buying players Unethical? Even Chelsea sign players, but I didn't see you moaning about it..

Hamburg offered money, Chelsea accepted, Players wanted to move to get first team chances, deal are done. What is wrong in this..
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****** all. They feel let down because Arnesen set up the Youth Academy and now - having moved on from Chelsea - he's exploiting his former position at Chelsea to sign highly-rated (or not so highly-rated apparently) youngsters that he's worked with before. Except Chelsea have to accept the bid, and they have to not be able to compete with Hamburg. SO - He offers them chances in the first team which Chelsea aren't willing to offer because they don't rate them enough and/or prefer to sign big name players anyway.

And Chelsea sign young players too... Like Lucas Piazon (Although, from what I've seen and read of the U17 WC - you bought the wrong Brazilian striker ;))
 
Joss said:
****** all. They feel let down because Arnesen set up the Youth Academy and now - having moved on from Chelsea - he's exploiting his former position at Chelsea to sign highly-rated (or not so highly-rated apparently) youngsters that he's worked with before. Except Chelsea have to accept the bid, and they have to not be able to compete with Hamburg. SO - He offers them chances in the first team which Chelsea aren't willing to offer because they don't rate them enough and/or prefer to sign big name players anyway.

And Chelsea sign young players too... Like Lucas Piazon (Although, from what I've seen and read of the U17 WC - you bought the wrong Brazilian striker ;))
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what u mean?
 
Personal opinion on the players that have gone to Hamburg:
Michael Mancienne- Spent 2 years at Wolves, never set the world alight and playing for U-21's over the past 2 years has been extremely disappointing but Chelsea got good money for him any I think it's a great deal for club and player.

Jacopo Sala- Saw him play for the youth/reserves on a couple of occasions on Chelsea TV last season, didn't ever look like challenging for a bench spot.

Gokhan Tore- Very explosive player, will either be really good or really bad depending more on the player because he has bags of natural ability (Remind's me alot of Ben Sahar).

Reason Chelsea let them go is because of the successful U-17 players coming through and I think they will pick up a few more youngsters this summer, not forgetting Perez is doing quite well in Uruguay and we are signing Lucas Piazon from Brazil for next summer along with several youngsters in Italy/Spain.

If he managed to grab Kakuta/Borini/Bertrand I would be annoyed but I think Arnesen respects the club a **** of alot and would never do anything to upset the fans BUT I am glad he's gone because he served his time at Chelsea and he was the right man at the right time to start the evolution into a European force on the youth front. If a new DOF comes in with new ideas then that will be precisely what Gourlay etc want, Arnesen brought the know how and business side to building/upgrading Chelsea's youth and facilities but I believe Roman's looking towards a La Masia style philosophy now and bringing in a guy who knows how to build and adapt a club philosophy. Personally I can definitely see an ex director from Real Madrid/Barcelona brought in to oversee the next phase if a new DOF is appointed.

What alot of people don't realize in this country is clubs get to spend around 2 hours a day with youngsters in this country due to laws/regulations whereas in Spain they have alot more time to control youngsters development and that is a key reason for me as to why they are doing so well at the minute. Hopefully the Premier League push the case a bit further anyway.

Oh and another bit of news Chelsea have brought on board basically a 'personal physio' for Torres (lol), the ex Liverpool Physio who worked him through rehab in 09/10 Mr Ivan Ortgega joins the backroom staff

OTHER 'LITTLE' SUPPOSED NEWS THIS SUNDAY: Michael Emenalo is 'expected' to be appointed as the new Technical Director to replace Arnesen (Was in several papers this morning, I really really hope this is bs)

Other staff changes:
Medical director Bryan English, assistant coach Paul Clement and fitness coach Glen Driscoll were all put on gardening leave soon after Villas-Boas's appointment and head of sports science Nick Broad suffered the same fate
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Jimmer said:
Personal opinion on the players that have gone to Hamburg:
Michael Mancienne- Spent 2 years at Wolves, never set the world alight and playing for U-21's over the past 2 years has been extremely disappointing but Chelsea got good money for him any I think it's a great deal for club and player.

Jacopo Sala- Saw him play for the youth/reserves on a couple of occasions on Chelsea TV last season, didn't ever look like challenging for a bench spot.

Gokhan Tore- Very explosive player, will either be really good or really bad depending more on the player because he has bags of natural ability (Remind's me alot of Ben Sahar).

Reason Chelsea let them go is because of the successful U-17 players coming through and I think they will pick up a few more youngsters this summer, not forgetting Perez is doing quite well in Uruguay and we are signing Lucas Piazon from Brazil for next summer along with several youngsters in Italy/Spain.

If he managed to grab Kakuta/Borini/Bertrand I would be annoyed but I think Arnesen respects the club a **** of alot and would never do anything to upset the fans BUT I am glad he's gone because he served his time at Chelsea and he was the right man at the right time to start the evolution into a European force on the youth front. If a new DOF comes in with new ideas then that will be precisely what Gourlay etc want, Arnesen brought the know how and business side to building/upgrading Chelsea's youth and facilities but I believe Roman's looking towards a La Masia style philosophy now and bringing in a guy who knows how to build and adapt a club philosophy. Personally I can definitely see an ex director from Real Madrid/Barcelona brought in to oversee the next phase if a new DOF is appointed.

What alot of people don't realize in this country is clubs get to spend around 2 hours a day with youngsters in this country due to laws/regulations whereas in Spain they have alot more time to control youngsters development and that is a key reason for me as to why they are doing so well at the minute. Hopefully the Premier League push the case a bit further anyway.

Oh and another bit of news Chelsea have brought on board basically a 'personal physio' for Torres (lol), the ex Liverpool Physio who worked him through rehab in 09/10 Mr Ivan Ortgega joins the backroom staff

OTHER 'LITTLE' SUPPOSED NEWS THIS SUNDAY: Michael Emenalo is 'expected' to be appointed as the new Technical Director to replace Arnesen (Was in several papers this morning, I really really hope this is bs)

Other staff changes:
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please tell me thats not true, cuz im gonna die right now.

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Joss said:
****** all. They feel let down because Arnesen set up the Youth Academy and now - having moved on from Chelsea - he's exploiting his former position at Chelsea to sign highly-rated (or not so highly-rated apparently) youngsters that he's worked with before. Except Chelsea have to accept the bid, and they have to not be able to compete with Hamburg. SO - He offers them chances in the first team which Chelsea aren't willing to offer because they don't rate them enough and/or prefer to sign big name players anyway.

And Chelsea sign young players too... Like Lucas Piazon (Although, from what I've seen and read of the U17 WC - you bought the wrong Brazilian striker ;))
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oh please the likes of Mancienne and Sala would never have been fit to don a first-team shirt... we have enough youth prospects who were unheard of before and are not doing quite well with us, its not that all our Youth Players are bought
 
Alcaraz said:
oh please the likes of Mancienne and Sala would never have been fit to don a first-team shirt... we have enough youth prospects who were unheard of before and are not doing quite well with us, its not that all our Youth Players are bought
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That's why I said: "He's exploiting his former position at Chelsea to sign highly-rated (or not so highly-rated apparently)"
 
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