The Chelsea Thread

[CJACKO11]

So it won't be on your mind until you fail to meet them then, because it is naive in the extreme to assume the club would tell you if they were in a bad situation.

Nah, its just i believe and have done from day one that these regulations will have more holes than a Swiss cheese. Im convinced Chelsea wouldnt test Uefa's word so thats my thoughts on the situation. Nothing to do with "ignorance" Joel.

 

[Joel`]

Nah, its just i believe and have done from day one that these regulations will have more holes than a Swiss cheese. Im convinced Chelsea wouldnt test Uefa's word so thats my thoughts on the situation. Nothing to do with "ignorance" Joss.

Oh, you called GC Joss. He shall not be happy. ;(

But you still think you're safe based on nothing but a hash pot theory on UEFA not following through. That's still ignorant. In the same way if you decided to do nothing because the world ends in 2012 is ignorant.

 

[CJACKO11]

Oh, you called GC Joss. He shall not be happy. ;(

But you still think you're safe based on nothing but a hash pot theory on UEFA not following through. That's still ignorant. In the same way if you decided to do nothing because the world ends in 2012 is ignorant.

Was ment to type "Joel".

Not at all, its already been said there is nothing stopping someone sponsoring the club for a huge ammount. City's owner could pay City 50million a year for 5 years as a sponsor and that wouldnt be breaking the rules.

 

[Joel`]

Was ment to type "Joel".

Not at all, its already been said there is nothing stopping someone sponsoring the club for a huge ammount. City's owner could pay City 50million a year for 5 years as a sponsor and that wouldnt be breaking the rules.

Well I'm insulted then.

I don't know all of the rules, but I really, really doubt UEFA are that stupid. I'm fairly certain I read about a rule of owners not putting their own money into the club, which sponsorship counts as. If you don't think Chelsea/City are worried, then how do you explain them cutting back wages and trying to explore youth investment avenues rather than carry on trying to subsidise losses and spending on established stars?

 

[CJACKO11]

Good Interview with Academica president Jose Eduardo Simoes about Villas-Boas

Q - Jose, why did you appoint Andre Villas-Boas as Academica manager?

A - At the time Andre was working with Jose Mourinho at Inter Milan and I asked him to meet me in Coimbra, in Portugal. In the space of only two hours I got to know not only his character but also his technical competency, especially in the accurate and detailed way he had analysed Academica.

He talked about our weaknesses and our strengths and what needed to be done to improve the performance and results of the first team. I was impressed by the assertive and professional way he presented the match model he wanted to implement at Academica and his confidence on its success both for our club and for himself.

Q -Did you speak to Mourinho about Villas-Boas?

A - There was no need to. From the very beginning I could tell that Andre Villas-Boas had all it takes to make it to the top.

Q -How similar do you think Villas-Boas is to Mourinho?

A - As you know, the two men do not particularly like to be compared. However, they both have professional competency, ambition, accuracy, good social and motivational competences, they communicate well with the players, they are very focused on their objectives, they are always trying to improve and go higher and they "think football" 24 hours a day. But they are two very different people.

Q -How good a job did Villas-Boas do at Academica? Did he surprise you?

A - He did a very good job, he improved the players' self-esteem and produced good quality football. He took over for the ninth match of the season, but had he started the campaign leading the team we would possibly have made it as high as fifth in the table.

Right from the start, the whole team, everyone at the club and all the fans supported him. It was not surprising, what he achieved, as right from the very first meeting I could tell he was an extremelly well-prepared and gifted person.

Q -What sort of person is Villas-Boas?

A - Besides "thinking football" 24 hours a day, ie being very focused on his work, he has great human and social competences: he is a very nice and generous person.

He has got talent, he is a natural leader and easy to work with. He comunicates well, he has a clear and well structured message, he likes "mind games" and makes good use of them, he knows what he wants and how to achieve it and while he was at Academica he created a very positive working atmosphere around him.

Q -Are you still in touch with him?

A - Yes, we keep in touch. We talk and exchange text messages on the phone regularly and he has already invited me to go and watch Chelsea play any time I wish - which I will certainly do with pleasure. I am very proud of all his successes and of the ones yet to come.

Q -Do you think he will be a success at Chelsea and if yes, why?

A - Being a different kind of leader from Mourinho, he nevertheless shares the same capacity to motivate his players. The message is simple, objective and efficient, yet at the same time powerful and motivating.

I believe that if he is able to correct some aspects of Chelsea's game - which has occasionally been let down by an unclear model and strategy in the past - he will potentiate the team's ambition and be successful. In two years I can certainly imagine him winning the Premier League and the Champions League.

Q -Can he be a better coach than Mourinho?

A - Ask me again in two years. Still; how do you compare managers?

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Well I'm insulted then.

I don't know all of the rules, but I really, really doubt UEFA are that stupid. I'm fairly certain I read about a rule of owners not putting their own money into the club, which sponsorship counts as. If you don't think Chelsea/City are worried, then how do you explain them cutting back wages and trying to explore youth investment avenues rather than carry on trying to subsidise losses and spending on established stars?

They will stop the actual owners from sponsoring them but there is nothing stopping close friends or relatives doing it.

 

[sunilvk7]

They will stop the actual owners from sponsoring them but there is nothing stopping close friends or relatives doing it.

There is. There is a rule that sponsor shouldn't be related to owner something like that. UEFA are not fools like FIFA. I expect all the big sponsorships to be investigated and hefty fines for any wrong doings..

 

[CJACKO11]

There is. There is a rule that sponsor shouldn't be related to owner something like that. UEFA are not fools like FIFA. I expect all the big sponsorships to be investigated and hefty fines for any wrong doings..

Even still clubs may still ask for more from sponsors. It will have to swing both ways, Uefa wont want the top clubs to miss out on the Champions League just for the fact they will lose sponsors themselfs. For me it is a poor rule and will only benifit the bigger sides anyway.

 

[Joel`]

Even still clubs may still ask for more from sponsors. It will have to swing both ways, Uefa wont want the top clubs to miss out on the Champions League just for the fact they will lose sponsors themselfs. For me it is a poor rule and will only benifit the bigger sides anyway.

They can, but their clients will laugh at them. It also swings both ways in that if UEFA don't keep by their word it completely ruins their reputation and credibility as governing body. They made the decision to introduce the rules fully knowing the consequences. If they never had intent in following it through, then they should never have introduced the rules to begin with and saved their reputation and credibility.

 

[CJACKO11]

They can, but their clients will laugh at them. It also swings both ways in that if UEFA don't keep by their word it completely ruins their reputation and credibility as governing body. They made the decision to introduce the rules fully knowing the consequences. If they never had intent in following it through, then they should never have introduced the rules to begin with and saved their reputation and credibility.

Maybe, but like i say all these questions will be raised and rules are made to be broken you know that. Like i say the rules are pathetic anyway and although it stops the top clubs from spending it also stops the chance a smaller club has to spend big (if they get a new owner) and to establish themselfs as a top club. With this rule, the top clubs will always be the top clubs and the rest will always be the rest and its sad.

 

[Joel`]

Maybe, but like i say all these questions will be raised and rules are made to be broken you know that. Like i say the rules are pathetic anyway and although it stops the top clubs from spending it also stops the chance a smaller club has to spend big (if they get a new owner) and to establish themselfs as a top club. With this rule, the top clubs will always be the top clubs and the rest will always be the rest and its sad.

Then why don't players just ignore red cards when given, not stop play for fouls etc.? Sure, you can break the rules, but expect to be punished if you do.

If the big clubs are forced to spend what they earn, then it forces them to choose sustainable options. They can no longer offer mega bucks for other clubs' young players, and if a club has large enough support, and sustainably invests in the club then it can easily achieve long run success. There's much more barriers to success for small teams without FFP than with.

 

[Alcaraz]

Read my post about 2 pages ago, Sunil I cant believe ur back here arguing about FFP when u could not give a logical reply to my earlier post

 

[sunilvk7]

Read my post about 2 pages ago, Sunil I cant believe ur back here arguing about FFP when u could not give a logical reply to my earlier post

Which one? Please done expect me to argue when you say Roman is successful business man and therefore he knows what to do.. That logic doesn't work everywhere. Roman is a successful businessman thats it. And when he was spending so much money there was not even a word about FFP.

Like Joel said if you lot are not worried then you would have maintained the big squad instead of trimming it..

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This logic is like Carlo is successful Football Manager and knows how to win where there are chances that he may lose.. For all the Roman plans to break even, it may backfire when he keeps spending big amount..

 

[19-11-08]

Was ment to type "Joel".

Not at all, its already been said there is nothing stopping someone sponsoring the club for a huge ammount. City's owner could pay City 50million a year for 5 years as a sponsor and that wouldnt be breaking the rules.

"The other major exclusion, and one no doubt likely to cause controversy, is revenue received from "related parties" (effectively the owner or people/corporations connected to them) in transactions that are carried out "above fair value". This rule (described in Annex X B 1j) says that transactions with a related party must be compared to the "fair value" that would have been achieved if the transaction was done as a normal commercial deal. Any income above this "fair value" is disregarded when calculating a club's income. This rule is designed to prevent owners subsidising their club by, for example, paying £50m per year for a box that would normally cost £250,000."

Taken from this blog: the andersred blog: Financial Fair Play - crunching the numbers

 

[Joss]

So... Chelsea fans aren't worried because they're confident not that they'll actually be able to pass them, but because they think they won't be punished and Roman will "find a way around it". What a great model to follow. Cue corruption conspiracy theories if you can't break even properly and have to try something else, rather less legal.

 

[Alcaraz]

Which one? Please done expect me to argue when you say Roman is successful business man and therefore he knows what to do.. That logic doesn't work everywhere. Roman is a successful businessman thats it. And when he was spending so much money there was not even a word about FFP.

Like Joel said if you lot are not worried then you would have maintained the big squad instead of trimming it..

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This logic is like Carlo is successful Football Manager and knows how to win where there are chances that he may lose.. For all the Roman plans to break even, it may backfire when he keeps spending big amount..

No Sunil, I am pretty sure a man as smart as Roman has a plan to make us break even otherwise he wont be doing all this mindless spending, do u guys think even for one second that he will risk us falling out of the Champions League which would mean that he may lose tons of cash, he also loves this club as much as ever and is willing to shell out his won money so we do well

I trust he has a plan, its impossible that someone who has done so well in his field does not

 

[sunilvk7]

No Sunil, I am pretty sure a man as smart as Roman has a plan to make us break even otherwise he wont be doing all this mindless spending, do u guys think even for one second that he will risk us falling out of the Champions League which would mean that he may lose tons of cash, he also loves this club as much as ever and is willing to shell out his won money so we do well

I trust he has a plan, its impossible that someone who has done so well in his field does not

He has a plan, but there is nothing to say that the plan will work. He has been at Chelsea for almost a decade, how many times have you recorded profit?

 

[Alcaraz]

So... Chelsea fans aren't worried because they're confident not that they'll actually be able to pass them, but because they think they won't be punished and Roman will "find a way around it". What a great model to follow. Cue corruption conspiracy theories if you can't break even properly and have to try something else, rather less legal.

cos my friend many people who have gotten ahead in Business is because they have seen loopholes in rules and exploited them, its not illegal and by the time the authorities cover up that loophole they find another, its called having a really sharp brain and its not illegal.... you may argue as much as you like but the truth is, Roman is not stupid and he has a plan to make us break even hence he is still spending cash without a worry while you lot dont have such a plan and are relying on weakening ur team and letting ur manager fight with one arm tied around his back

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He has a plan, but there is nothing to say that the plan will work. He has been at Chelsea for almost a decade, how many times have you recorded profit?

he does not need 2 record profit does he, he has got enough money and he knew that if he tried to record profit he would not win many trophies... but that does not mean he does not know how to make Chelsea break even, the plan may not work but I think Roman is not the sort of person who would make such a plan in a jiffy, he would have planned it well particularly as he wont risk us getting out fo the 'Holy Grail' Competition... and lets face it, he has got so far because most of the plans he has created have been successfull

 

[sunilvk7]

cos my friend many people who have gotten ahead in Business is because they have seen loopholes in rules and exploited them, its not illegal and by the time the authorities cover up that loophole they find another, its called having a really sharp brain and its not illegal.... you may argue as much as you like but the truth is, Roman is not stupid and he has a plan to make us break even hence he is still spending cash without a worry while you lot dont have such a plan and are relying on weakening ur team and letting ur manager fight with one arm tied around his back

Thing is we and Arsenal dont need to spend outside our means as we can survive without sugar daddy. We can avoid spending and finish in top 4, now without spending same cannot be said about Chelsea. They need major investment, if not they have a big chance of falling behind other teams. Hence all the spending not because they know how to exploit the loop holes..

 

[Alcaraz]

Thing is we and Arsenal dont need to spend outside our means as we can survive without sugar daddy. We can avoid spending and finish in top 4, now without spending same cannot be said about Chelsea. They need major investment, if not they have a big chance of falling behind other teams. Hence all the spending not because they know how to exploit the loop holes..

You are just speculating my friend, we are really in so much **** why does Roman still splash 70m of his cash on 2 players in January and is supposedly backing AVB with a huge transfer kitty this summer, its simple really, he has a plan and since he likes to win so much I am pretty sure that plan whatever it is will mean we can still challenge for trophies year after year

If you lot think he would renege on us right before the FFP starts then who would buy us anyways, he would make a major loss if anyone does buy us

Only time will tell sunil but all my instincts tell me Roman has a plan and we will comply with the FFP one way or another

 

[sunilvk7]

he does not need 2 record profit does he, he has got enough money and he knew that if he tried to record profit he would not win many trophies... but that does not mean he does not know how to make Chelsea break even, the plan may not work but I think Roman is not the sort of person who would make such a plan in a jiffy, he would have planned it well particularly as he wont risk us getting out fo the 'Holy Grail' Competition... and lets face it, he has got so far because most of the plans he has created have been successfull

Here is the point. You didn't record any profit as you can't. You spend big on wages and it is almost 80-90% of your turnover. Hence all the squad trimming still you recorded loss. Now with more signings all i can see is you have harder task of breaking even more now than before..

And Roman took you this far just by throwing money. I wouldn't call it as a plan.

Yes Jose. He didn't win? Ok, Sack.. Grant.. Lost Champions league final? Sack,, LFS.. Oh he lost few games? Hmmm, Guss.. Then Carlo.. Won double, great.. Second season didn't win anything? Hmm Sack.. AVB..