The Chelsea Thread

[CJACKO11]

No, but that doesn't make him bad. He's very close to Cole's ability.



Yes, well noticed, but not all teams have an average age as high as Chelsea's. The ravages of time will affect Chelsea far more than others.

Although i dont agree even if he is near Coles ability he is not as good as him and Madrid want to win things now not in a few years once he has developed.

But will it?? Before the likes of Neville, VDS and Scholes retired last season Utd had an higher average age than us!! Drogba could be replaced by Torres (if he finds his old form again)or Falcao if we sign him. Lampard can be replaced by Ramires or McEachran, Cole replaced by PVA. People talk too much about it they really do.

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I'm talking about numbers. Most of that revenue growth is due to inflation itself, so your revenue is practically flat.

Flat it better than nothing. Our losses are dropping every season.

Alacaraz - you have a horrible idea of the word "Youth" and which players will be able to step up sooner, rather than later.

David Luiz and Ramires are 24. They're not young players any more and certainly aren't part of your "Youth set-up".

Piazon is 17. Does Lampard have 2/3 years left (at least) at the top while Lucas matures and is eventually ready to form the "core" of your side?

Chalobah is 16 FFS. Talk about hype.

And what happened last season when you gave Bruma and PVA chances? You flopped big time. They're not ready - and how long before these players realise that they're not going to get proper chances? Instead of slowly bringing them through, Chelsea threw them in the deep end and they drowned pretty spectacularly. So Chelsea go out and buy Fernando Torres and David Luiz and offload 21 YO Sturridge on loan...

Of corse Lampard could have 2-3 season left, why couldnt he?? Players are fitter and stronger now days which helps them go on longer at the highest level.

And you basicly answered your own question, Bruma and PVA wearnt ready so we sent them both on loan to get more first team football and expirience remember?? Sturridge needed a loan deal so thats irrelivent.

 

[sunilvk7]

Although i dont agree even if he is near Coles ability he is not as good as him and Madrid want to win things now not in a few years once he has developed.
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Madrid want to win so only Marcelo wont be on bench. I dont know whether you have seen Marcelo or just saying he is no where Cole's level when Marcelo was the best LB last season.

And again if Madrid wants to win, what has that got anything with Cole?

 

[CJACKO11]

Madrid want to win so only Marcelo wont be on bench. I dont know whether you have seen Marcelo or just saying he is no where Cole's level when Marcelo was the best LB last season.

And again if Madrid wants to win, what has that got anything with Cole?

I have seen Marcelo yes, and i personly think he is not good enough to play for a side like Madrid. Because Marcelo still has some developing to do but Cole is already hit/at his peak.

 

[oja20]

Why are you all in here slating Chelsea, opinions are cool but slating every youth player we have is a bit unfair..

 

[CJACKO11]

Why are you all in here slating Chelsea, opinions are cool but slating every youth player we have is a bit unfair..

Tell me about it, oh **** Bruma is 20 and not in Chelsea's first team already he aint guna make it!!!

 

[BlueHeart]

Why are you all in here slating Chelsea, opinions are cool but slating every youth player we have is a bit unfair..

hatters gotta hate. i mean yea, i do that too, i love hating united, but i never do it in their thread.

 

[sunilvk7]

I have seen Marcelo yes, and i personly think he is not good enough to play for a side like Madrid. Because Marcelo still has some developing to do but Cole is already hit/at his peak.

He is not good enough for Madrid? Oh yes, its your opinion and will leave this here. Not many will agree with you, I mean Madrid supporters when he is arguable among top 5 player of the season for them. Marcelo of 2009-10? Yes his defending was dog bollocks, Marcelo of 2010-11? Top class player and best LB in the world. If best LB is not good enough to play for a team have to wonder who is good enough..

 

[GodCubed]

Although i dont agree even if he is near Coles ability he is not as good as him and Madrid want to win things now not in a few years once he has developed.

Maybe, but are Madrid willing to pay, what, 20 mil to cover that tiny shortfall in ability and acquire an older player who will last them four years at MOST, rather than Marcelo's possible ten? Truly doubt it.

But will it?? Before the likes of Neville, VDS and Scholes retired last season Utd had an higher average age than us!! Drogba could be replaced by Torres (if he finds his old form again)or Falcao if we sign him. Lampard can be replaced by Ramires or McEachran, Cole replaced by PVA. People talk too much about it they really do.

Yes, it will, because United have the money to cover their losses with new aquisitions. And before you say anything about money, think: if you're losing money each season and can only spend what you earn (and you are earning nothing because you're making losses) that means that you'll only have the money from what you sell (reduced by the losses). I'm not talking next season here, I'm talking the one after that or the one after that. Work it out.

So what are you going to do when Patrick Van Aanholt turns out not to be as good as Cole? If Torres never regains his form? If McEachran doesn't develop? You can't buy to cover them. You're assuming EVERYTHING will go EXACTLY to plan, which it very rarely does.

Flat it better than nothing. Our losses are dropping every season.

Flat is literally nothing, in fact, not better than nothing. If you're talking about increases in revenue, anyway.

 

[sunilvk7]

Why are you all in here slating Chelsea, opinions are cool but slating every youth player we have is a bit unfair..

Tell me about it, oh **** Bruma is 20 and not in Chelsea's first team already he aint guna make it!!!

hatters gotta hate. i mean yea, i do that too, i love hating united, but i never do it in their thread.

Where did anyone say anything against your young players? All Joss asked was few mentioned players are not ready for the team, like some 16 year old name was mentioned..

 

[Joss]

Where did anyone say anything against your young players? All Joss asked was few mentioned players are not ready for the team, like some 16 year old name was mentioned..

This. It's the opposite of what you're saying CJACKO - Alcaraz claimed that Chalobah and Piazon could be the "core" (or part of it) of Chelsea in the next few years. That's a helluva lot of pressure on them.

 

[CJACKO11]

Maybe, but are Madrid willing to pay, what, 20 mil to cover that tiny shortfall in ability and acquire an older player who will last them four years at MOST, rather than Marcelo's possible ten? Truly doubt it.



Yes, it will, because United have the money to cover their losses with new aquisitions. And before you say anything about money, think: if you're losing money each season and can only spend what you earn (and you are earning nothing because you're making losses) that means that you'll only have the money from what you sell (reduced by the losses). I'm not talking next season here, I'm talking the one after that or the one after that. Work it out.

So what are you going to do when Patrick Van Aanholt turns out not to be as good as Cole? If Torres never regains his form? If McEachran doesn't develop? You can't buy to cover them. You're assuming EVERYTHING will go EXACTLY to plan, which it very rarely does.



Flat is literally nothing, in fact, not better than nothing. If you're talking about increases in revenue, anyway.

Of corse there are no guarrentees but that also goes with there are no guarrentees the players Utd and Arsenal will sign will turn into world class players too. Plus like i say Madrid will pay anything to make sure they beat Barca next season, they arnt even thinking further than next season and you know it.

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This. It's the opposite of what you're saying CJACKO - Alcaraz claimed that Chalobah and Piazon could be the "core" (or part of it) of Chelsea in the next few years. That's a helluva lot of pressure on them.

It is alot of pressure on them but they have as good of a chance as Utd's youngsters and so on.

 

[GodCubed]

Of corse there are no guarrentees but that also goes with there are no guarrentees the players Utd and Arsenal will sign will turn into world class players too. Plus like i say Madrid will pay anything to make sure they beat Barca next season, they arnt even thinking further than next season and you know it.

Sigh, of course they are. It's one of those ****** stupid media myths. Madrid know the value of buying young players and building for the future, else they'd buy a whole bunch of old, experienced, proven wingers rather than Ozil, Sahin, Khedira and so on.

Thing is, Arsenal and United would have the money to buy to replace them if they didn't. You wouldn't, as I explained.

 

[CJACKO11]

Sigh, of course they are. It's one of those ****** stupid media myths. Madrid know the value of buying young players and building for the future, else they'd buy a whole bunch of old, experienced, proven wingers rather than Ozil, Sahin, Khedira and so on.

Thing is, Arsenal and United would have the money to buy to replace them if they didn't. You wouldn't, as I explained.

But the more they spend the more they spend on wages etc. And then what if that person dosent suit Utd, they have to sign someone else and so on. Nothing is guarrenteed in football.

 

[GodCubed]

But the more they spend the more they spend on wages etc. And then what if that person dosent suit Utd, they have to sign someone else and so on. Nothing is guarrenteed in football.

But the point is, United have that option of buying them or not. Chelsea won't, and they'd be stuck with their choices.

 

[CJACKO11]

But the point is, United have that option of buying them or not. Chelsea won't, and they'd be stuck with their choices.

But we dont know what them choices will be do we? Its all guess work at the moment what will happen.

 

[GodCubed]

But we dont know what them choices will be do we? Its all guess work at the moment what will happen.

You're missing the point by a count- by a nautical mile, let alone a country one. Regardless of who the choices are, Arsenal and United will actually have some choices of top class players. Chelsea won't, because they don't make enough money to cover their costs.

 

[ChrisBird]

Apparently Paul Clement, Bryan English and Glen Driscoll have been sacked. Disappointed to see Paul Clement leave, but English was apparently the reason for some players being kept out for longer than they should have been, so that could be a good thing. And I'm not too sure about how good/bad Driscoll was.

 

[CJACKO11]

You're missing the point by a count- by a nautical mile, let alone a country one. Regardless of who the choices are, Arsenal and United will actually have some choices of top class players. Chelsea won't, because they don't make enough money to cover their costs.

At the moment maybe.

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Apparently Paul Clement, Bryan English and Glen Driscoll have been sacked. Disappointed to see Paul Clement leave, but English was apparently the reason for some players being kept out for longer than they should have been, so that could be a good thing. And I'm not too sure about how good/bad Driscoll was.

I dont see how English it to blame for that but hay. Will be dissapointed if Clement is sacked.

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Telegraph reporting Paul Clement will be sacked but Emenalo will be staying!!!!

Andre Villas-Boas makes first Chelsea move as Paul Clement leaves - Telegraph

 

[Alcaraz]

Alacaraz - you have a horrible idea of the word "Youth" and which players will be able to step up sooner, rather than later.

David Luiz and Ramires are 24. They're not young players any more and certainly aren't part of your "Youth set-up".

Piazon is 17. Does Lampard have 2/3 years left (at least) at the top while Lucas matures and is eventually ready to form the "core" of your side?

Chalobah is 16 FFS. Talk about hype.

And what happened last season when you gave Bruma and PVA chances? You flopped big time. They're not ready - and how long before these players realise that they're not going to get proper chances? Instead of slowly bringing them through, Chelsea threw them in the deep end and they drowned pretty spectacularly. So Chelsea go out and buy Fernando Torres and David Luiz and offload 21 YO Sturridge on loan...

they hardly flopped spectacularly, your youngsters have been doing that for the past few seasons yet when our youngsters flop for half a season everyone is onto us...

Bruma has gone on loan and he should defo get more experience with Hamburg

Sturridge is already a quality PL Striker, he deserves a place in the first team next season and it appears he will be playing on the right

Nats Chalobah is 16 but that does not mean he cant be a future England International, he should feature in the League Cup atleast


Luiz and Ramires are 24 but thats pretty young hardly old and they both look like they can be huge when they do peak and adapt to the PLM

Piazon is 17, Lamps can still play at the highest level for 3 more seasons and if you forgot we are in for another CM, Piazon will only be getting regular PLM apperances when he becomes 23 which is fair and that is if he develops


And how long will it be till Arsenals youngsters realise that no matter how many PLM appearances they get, they wont win trophies... oh wait they already have

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Maybe, but are Madrid willing to pay, what, 20 mil to cover that tiny shortfall in ability and acquire an older player who will last them four years at MOST, rather than Marcelo's possible ten? Truly doubt it.



Yes, it will, because United have the money to cover their losses with new aquisitions. And before you say anything about money, think: if you're losing money each season and can only spend what you earn (and you are earning nothing because you're making losses) that means that you'll only have the money from what you sell (reduced by the losses). I'm not talking next season here, I'm talking the one after that or the one after that. Work it out.

So what are you going to do when Patrick Van Aanholt turns out not to be as good as Cole? If Torres never regains his form? If McEachran doesn't develop? You can't buy to cover them. You're assuming EVERYTHING will go EXACTLY to plan, which it very rarely does.

Thats a risk with every club in the world, what if so and so does not decelop etc. nothing new about that

And the argument that Torres will never regain form just made me chuckle...

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Where did anyone say anything against your young players? All Joss asked was few mentioned players are not ready for the team, like some 16 year old name was mentioned..

and nobody said he was, I was merely giving examples on who can progress into our first team as GC was saying that we wont have money to buy players when Lamps and Drogs decide to call it a day and I was telling him that we have so and so who have the potential

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This. It's the opposite of what you're saying CJACKO - Alcaraz claimed that Chalobah and Piazon could be the "core" (or part of it) of Chelsea in the next few years. That's a helluva lot of pressure on them.

u dont think their is pressure on the likes of Fabregas you u guys made ur captain when he was only 23 I think and now that he looks set to leave Arsenal in one or 2 seasons its great morale booster to your players right

Hey look our Cappy wants to leave soz

 

[DMF]

they hardly flopped spectacularly, your youngsters have been doing that for the past few seasons yet when our youngsters flop for half a season everyone is onto us...

Bruma has gone on loan and he should defo get more experience with Hamburg

Sturridge is already a quality PL Striker, he deserves a place in the first team next season and it appears he will be playing on the right

Nats Chalobah is 16 but that does not mean he cant be a future England International, he should feature in the League Cup atleast


Luiz and Ramires are 24 but thats pretty young hardly old and they both look like they can be huge when they do peak and adapt to the PLM

Piazon is 17, Lamps can still play at the highest level for 3 more seasons and if you forgot we are in for another CM, Piazon will only be getting regular PLM apperances when he becomes 23 which is fair and that is if he develops


And how long will it be till Arsenals youngsters realise that no matter how many PLM appearances they get, they wont win trophies... oh wait they already have

No, just no. Lampard can't play at the top for 3 more years. He's 33 years old already, and after the injury he got last season he's going to start getting more and more injured more often. He's getting old now, and he'll start winding down now. He won't be involved as much this season, hence why you're looking for a new CM.