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Remember this Madrid, its not just about winning, but how.

Remember this is the same club who sacked Del Bosque, despite him being their most successful manager in recent times. And all because he didnt want Galaticos breaking up his title winning team...

They knew what they were getting when they hired Jose and they should have ran with it. Doesn't make sense to me, Arsenal play so called great football but without success i am sure majority of their supporters would love it if they won a cup not playing that way for once.
 
They knew what they were getting when they hired Jose and they should have ran with it. Doesn't make sense to me, Arsenal play so called great football but without success i am sure majority of their supporters would love it if they won a cup not playing that way for once.

As a Swansea fan I would rather swansea to lose in the first round of the Europa league whilst playing nice football than win the Europa league whilst playing boring football
 
As a Swansea fan I would rather swansea to lose in the first round of the Europa league whilst playing nice football than win the Europa league whilst playing boring football

Well for me that's a bleak outlook on football and sport in general. In my opinion football is about winning, losing is not fun.
 
As a Swansea fan I would rather swansea to lose in the first round of the Europa league whilst playing nice football than win the Europa league whilst playing boring football
You need a realistic example. It's easy to say that when you know Swansea will never get trough group stages. Realistic example is that you would much rather watch Swansea playing nice football in championship, rather then winning games in BPL whiles playing boring football.
 
What the same way which broke Barca's dominance by beating the points total in the league? Ramos is the one sounding like a **** then surely if that's the case.

They only did so momentarily, and Barcelona matched that feat this season. And there lies the problem, in my opinion. Madrid lost the title race early on, which was bound to have consequences. Players, fans and suits alike could tolerate Mourinho's style both on and off the pitch while they were winning, but once results stopped going their way cracks started to show.
The board, for the most part, stood by him, going as far as to sack Valdano for a perceived lack of cooperation with José.
The bigger names, aside from the portuguese players (Mourinho's relationship with them was, for the most part, very good), started having minor differences with him and his staff for various reasons (it is claimed that Ramos had an argument with Mou and Casillas leaked this to the press) and this began expanding to the rest of the squad. Once it was clear for everyone to see that Mourinho was leaving, even the ever-loyal Pepe, who had seen his place usurped by Varane, turned against his manager. A few players, however, stood by him (Higuaín, Di María, Essien, Coentrao, Cristiano, Özil...) till the end.
His relationship with the press had always been rocky at best, due to the nature of the spanish press (pro-Barcelona vs pro-Madrid) and it worsened as Mourinho's relationship with media-darling Casillas became strained, alienating even Marca, arguably Spain's top "pro-Madrid" newspaper.
Regarding the fans, you'll find mixed reactions. On the one hand, his three titles with the club and a few successes against arch-rivals Barcelona make many consider his tenure as a coach as a success. However, for a large chunk of the local fanbase, an apparent lack of "Spanish-ness" in the squad, coupled with perceived mistreatment of fan favourites like Casillas, disagreements with Toril (RM Castilla's manager), lack of opportunities for youth players (nothing new here, they complain about this season after season, coach after coach), displeasure with the style of play, ungentlemanly behaviour by both José and his players (lack of "señorío"), among others, were the main complaints of the supporters. The lack of trophies this season, coupled with an ever-futile quest for "La Décima" and the first defeat in over a decade against Atlético de Madrid (at the Bernabéu and in a cup final!) were the final nails in the coffin.

The problem is much more complex than it looks. For madridistas, winning is the most important thing, but how you do it is important as well, and this isn't limited to the style of play. And if you're not doing the things "the Real Madrid way" and you're not winning, either, you'll be in deep ****, whether you're José Mourinho or the king of Spain himself.
 
As a Swansea fan I would rather swansea to lose in the first round of the Europa league whilst playing nice football than win the Europa league whilst playing boring football

Honestly if you was a Chelsea fan after our champions league triumph you would not be saying this. We near enough had every man just in front of Cech both games against Barca, in the final against Bayern and from what I can remember we also played pretty defensive against Benfica but did any Chelsea fan care that we beat all of these teams playing defensive? Of course we didn't we just won our first ever champions league! Of course it would have been nice to see Chelsea win those games playing nice football but if we tried to play like that we would have got a thrashing. Honestly if Swansea ever get to a big final in the future and win it playing defensive I doubt how you played will even cross you're mind once that final whistle goes all you will be thinking about is that you're side won the trophy!
 
From what I heard, Casillas and Ramos didn't like that under Jose games with Barca were turning into all out of war, because it was starting to disrupt Spain's national team. So being captain and v-captain, they've managed to sway a lot of players. Mourinho was not pleased. And his favourite 'under-siege' mentality trick went down the toilet.
 
Did Mou really answer when asked what changed after he left Chelsea that nothing is changed, Liverpool still thinks next year will be theirs? If so, what a slap.
 
Did Mou really answer when asked what changed after he left Chelsea that nothing is changed, Liverpool still thinks next year will be theirs? If so, what a slap.

Same rumour also floating round except he said arsenal are without a trophy so I highly doubt it's real.
 
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What the same way which broke Barca's dominance by beating the points total in the league? Ramos is the one sounding like a **** then surely if that's the case.

He didn't break any dominance. Barca still won **** loads of trophies, won more domestically and in Europe. Also Atletico Madrid won more cups than Madrid during Jose's time.

I like Jose and I rate him as the best manager as the obvious one has retired ;) but I would say his time at Madrid will be considered as failure. Won 1 league and nothing in Europe, when you consider the talent he had in his squad that's a failure.
 
Did Mou really answer when asked what changed after he left Chelsea that nothing is changed, Liverpool still thinks next year will be theirs? If so, what a slap.

I doubt it very much, if you saw his interview he was much much more mature.
 
He didn't break any dominance. Barca still won **** loads of trophies, won more domestically and in Europe. Also Atletico Madrid won more cups than Madrid during Jose's time.

I like Jose and I rate him as the best manager as the obvious one has retired ;) but I would say his time at Madrid will be considered as failure. Won 1 league and nothing in Europe, when you consider the talent he had in his squad that's a failure.

I'd argue it's more Florentino Perez's failure than Mourinho's. Madrid's constant internal warring and political strife meant that Mourinho was effectively managing with one hand tied behind his back at all times. When the politicking was low, he performed well; Madrid toppling Barca from the summit of La Liga is testament to that. When it was high, and for the majority of his reign, it was, Madrid had to fight against themselves as well as everyone else.
 
I wouldn't even hesitate signing Dzeko if city are willing to sell. Scores a good amount of goals for city considering he is what their third choice striker behind Aguero and Tevez.
 
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