The funny thing is that Mourinho still wanted De Bruyne to stay so he could improve him. De Bruyne was the one adamant on a move. Can't blame him either. Also De Bruyne said that he had no problem with Mourinho so I think even he secretly knows that he needed to do a lot more work to get into the Chelsea team which he didn't do. I wish him well but if he wants to take himself to the next level, he needs to learn to embrace competition. At all his previous clubs, Genk and Bremen, he was the star so maybe now he couldn't handle being the small fish in the big pond
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The funny thing is that Mourinho still wanted De Bruyne to stay so he could improve him. De Bruyne was the one adamant on a move. Can't blame him either. Also De Bruyne said that he had no problem with Mourinho so I think even he secretly knows that he needed to do a lot more work to get into the Chelsea team which he didn't do. I wish him well but if he wants to take himself to the next level, he needs to learn to embrace competition. At all his previous clubs, Genk and Bremen, he was the star so maybe now he couldn't handle being the small fish in the big pond
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Hey guys, can anyone explain Eto'os first goal celebration yesterday? One of my friends and I thought it was quite funny that he pointed fingers at Torres. It looked friendly though, as they hugged when Eto'o was substituted.
Never the less do I think Petr Cech is a strong competitor for the Ballon d'Or in 2014 with his incredible dribbling skills!
Never the less do I think Petr Cech is a strong competitor for the Ballon d'Or in 2014 with his incredible dribbling skills!
It wasn't Torres ... It was a bit of banter between him and Ba. Lampard was laughing although Eto'o looked intense! Yeah jeez no idea what Cech was doing, nearly gave me heartache and could have resulted in those annoying goals that Hernandez loves to score against us
He was pointing at Ba, it was something b/w them, bet or whatever. Lampard was laughing so wasn't something intense, which it seemed from Eto'o's reaction. It was some friendly banter at most, nothing serious/intense.
Cech was too bored, it seems. He wanted to show off some other skills he had as a Striker initially, being the best GK is just too easy for him.
Thoughts on the possibility of Mata being sold?
Personally I'd much rather we sold him to PSG for ?20m than to Man U for double that. With Van Persie ageing and Rooney probably off, they need a star to build their side around. Giving them someone who has proven he can fill that role at the very highest level in the PL is not a good idea.
Personally I'd much rather we sold him to PSG for ?20m than to Man U for double that. With Van Persie ageing and Rooney probably off, they need a star to build their side around. Giving them someone who has proven he can fill that role at the very highest level in the PL is not a good idea.
George Best and Ronaldinho would like to have a word with you.
And neither made it to 30 before looking like shadows of their former selves.
Yeah but De Bruyne is 20 so he still has some time to go on chocolate binges.
Exactly. This would be incredibly short-sighted even for Chelsea ... However if we were to get Rooney in the bargain, the choice is much tougher but I still would say no. If Rooney was 3-4 years younger and maybe on 3/4th his wages atm then it would have been an unequivocal yes
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Even if you did get Rooney, he's a proven goalscorer who will still be able to give another four to five years. Whilst there are cheaper options available - particularly with lower salaries - I don't think you can go wrong with Rooney, if at all. His versatility to play as the central forward or just in-behind, both to distinguishable effect, allows for a wealth of options for Mourinho.
Like Mata for United, he doesn't fit Chelsea's requirements entirely, but he would have a devastatingly positive effect almost wherever he goes. Mourinho can unlock just that bit more in him to become similar to 2009/10, or 2011/12 for that matter.
Like Mata for United, he doesn't fit Chelsea's requirements entirely, but he would have a devastatingly positive effect almost wherever he goes. Mourinho can unlock just that bit more in him to become similar to 2009/10, or 2011/12 for that matter.
I don't doubt Rooney's ability at all. I would honestly love to have him and knowing Jose, he can probably bring the best out of Rooney. But let's be fair, Rooney is 28 and on insanely high wages whereas Mata is 25 and on less than half of Rooney's wages. Plus when the fixtures start coming thick and fast in February, Mata will see a huge increase in minutes. That means it's virtually impossible that he will leave without Rooney going the other way which United have held firm over
Plus the papers are running some mistaken idea that we need to sell Mata to help with FFP. That's a load of tosh ... Chelsea are better placed for FFP than many people think. Plus with the expect departures of Lampard, Cole, Eto'o and Terry as well as the potential sales of Demba Ba and Marin next summer, enough money will be freed up to pursue that striker we need or we can just stick with Lukaku and Torres as the main forwards next season
Juan way Ticket to Manchester:
I'll start off by saying this "i love Juan Mata i think he is a brilliant footballer and has given us some wonderful moments".
I will be reminding you of that line throughout this.
These last couple of days since we heard of real interest from Man Utd and Chelsea's willingness to listen to them i have started to see things in people i never expected. People who claim to be "Chelsea fans" but in fact seem to be Juan Mata fans instead. This is Chelsea Football Club, a club who has lost icons far greater and influential than Mata in the past and managed to continue.
I see most people are mainly irate because of the team we seem to be selling too which i can understand. People believe because Man Utd are down why help them get back up again and potentially push them closer to us but i don't see it like that. This team still needs 1-2 key signings, we all know we need a striker and arguably another centre back for future purposes. And although this will make Utd stronger the money we will receive will help us sign players we need which will make us stronger too keeping us ahead of Utd. Where do we think this money is going to come from? We have just posted a loss of 49million for 2013 calender year and with FFP now in action we cannot just splash the cash like we used to in the past. To spend money we have to make money.
Second reminder, "i love Juan Mata i think he is a brilliant footballer and has given us some wonderful moments".
Yes Mata has won our player of the season for the past 2 years and deservedly so but as Jose said last week the team was set up for him, everything went through him. Jose has his style he wants to play and in my opinion recently it has been the best football i have seen us play since the double winning season under Ancelotti back in 2009/10. We are getting good results, our front 3 of Mata, Hazard and Willian are the 3 who are standing out. Mata has had chances in this system, in fact he has started more games than Willian and Schurrle in the Premier League and it just does not suit him. This doesn't make him a bad player it doesn't make Jose wrong for leaving him out its just unfortunate that this system does not suit his playing style and as much as we want to think otherwise it never will. There is not another club on this earth who would turn down the sort of money being talked about for a player who is A. 4th choice, mainly on the bench B. Not suited to the clubs style of play and C. Never going to be able to adapt to the teams style of play.
I'll finish by asking you this question. Do you really think Jose Mourinho a man who's decisions have been questioned time and time again this season and always proved to be right would sell Manchester United a player if he felt it would make them better than Chelsea?
Oh and again "i love Juan Mata i think he is a brilliant footballer and has given us some wonderful moments".
I'll start off by saying this "i love Juan Mata i think he is a brilliant footballer and has given us some wonderful moments".
I will be reminding you of that line throughout this.
These last couple of days since we heard of real interest from Man Utd and Chelsea's willingness to listen to them i have started to see things in people i never expected. People who claim to be "Chelsea fans" but in fact seem to be Juan Mata fans instead. This is Chelsea Football Club, a club who has lost icons far greater and influential than Mata in the past and managed to continue.
I see most people are mainly irate because of the team we seem to be selling too which i can understand. People believe because Man Utd are down why help them get back up again and potentially push them closer to us but i don't see it like that. This team still needs 1-2 key signings, we all know we need a striker and arguably another centre back for future purposes. And although this will make Utd stronger the money we will receive will help us sign players we need which will make us stronger too keeping us ahead of Utd. Where do we think this money is going to come from? We have just posted a loss of 49million for 2013 calender year and with FFP now in action we cannot just splash the cash like we used to in the past. To spend money we have to make money.
Second reminder, "i love Juan Mata i think he is a brilliant footballer and has given us some wonderful moments".
Yes Mata has won our player of the season for the past 2 years and deservedly so but as Jose said last week the team was set up for him, everything went through him. Jose has his style he wants to play and in my opinion recently it has been the best football i have seen us play since the double winning season under Ancelotti back in 2009/10. We are getting good results, our front 3 of Mata, Hazard and Willian are the 3 who are standing out. Mata has had chances in this system, in fact he has started more games than Willian and Schurrle in the Premier League and it just does not suit him. This doesn't make him a bad player it doesn't make Jose wrong for leaving him out its just unfortunate that this system does not suit his playing style and as much as we want to think otherwise it never will. There is not another club on this earth who would turn down the sort of money being talked about for a player who is A. 4th choice, mainly on the bench B. Not suited to the clubs style of play and C. Never going to be able to adapt to the teams style of play.
I'll finish by asking you this question. Do you really think Jose Mourinho a man who's decisions have been questioned time and time again this season and always proved to be right would sell Manchester United a player if he felt it would make them better than Chelsea?
Oh and again "i love Juan Mata i think he is a brilliant footballer and has given us some wonderful moments".
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Exactly, he's 28 years old and is going to be in his better years for the next four seasons. He can spearhead that attack at a consistently high level. And Mata can still leave without Rooney having to swap.
There is something suspicious going on with Mourinho's relationship with Man Utd recently. Ever since the CL last years when he was sucking up saying the "Best team lost". Everyone jumped at the conclusion that he wanted the United job. Once back in England even last week he was talking up Moyes and Utd stating they are "still the better team". Mindgames?? I think not. Refusing to celebrate goals in a very important game in the season and saying United didn't deserve to be 2-0 down at half-time (even though they didn't deserve it) he seemed to favor Moyes' side over his own. And what manager nowadays openly states that the club will listen to offers for a player? (unless the player themselves has openly stated he wants out). A player who has been so crucial to our past two seasons has been more-or-less completely left out of the team, a player who seems like such an easy-going professional who gives it his all. He doesn't seem like a player who you fall out with easily.
Also Mourinho previously stated that he didn't want to turn Chelsea into a defensive team by saying "That is not the direction we want to go" so why is he so intent on selling our most creative player, let alone De Bruyne, to a fierce rival. The claim that it is to try and effect City and Arsenal is a weak one. Why not loan him until the end of the season to do this? What about next season and in the future, United won't be in that position then.
Furthermore, what happens if Oscar or Hazard gets injured. Who's left? Schurrle?? Prior to Mourinho we were trying to add depth to our squad (quality depth) to catch up with Man City but Mourinho seems keen on undoing this.
Many have argued that Mata is not a 'Mourinho' type of player but isn't Hazard similar? If you watch Hazard enough, week in week out, you can see that he doesn't track back as near as much as Oscar or Willian so why OPENLY criticise Mata's work rate to the public? Watching Mata's limited games this year and studying his tracking back you can clearly see a vast improvement to this side of his game compared to previous seasons? This is what Mourinho demanded from him, he has done this yet he still does not pick him. Why?
Was there already an agreement made in the summer that Mata would leave for United? You can even look at his so called 'close friendship' with Alex Ferguson which he is always going on about. Did he agree then that he would help United out once he retired? Because that is all he is doing with this sale.
If he is so desperate to get rid of him why not sell him abroad? It might be for 10 million less or so but isn't that money worth it rather than him going to a rival.
Something just doesn't add up here.
All I want to hear on Friday at Jose's press conference is "He is not for sale". Or even better, Mata to come out and say "I will fight for my place". Let it happen!!! Please!!
Also Mourinho previously stated that he didn't want to turn Chelsea into a defensive team by saying "That is not the direction we want to go" so why is he so intent on selling our most creative player, let alone De Bruyne, to a fierce rival. The claim that it is to try and effect City and Arsenal is a weak one. Why not loan him until the end of the season to do this? What about next season and in the future, United won't be in that position then.
Furthermore, what happens if Oscar or Hazard gets injured. Who's left? Schurrle?? Prior to Mourinho we were trying to add depth to our squad (quality depth) to catch up with Man City but Mourinho seems keen on undoing this.
Many have argued that Mata is not a 'Mourinho' type of player but isn't Hazard similar? If you watch Hazard enough, week in week out, you can see that he doesn't track back as near as much as Oscar or Willian so why OPENLY criticise Mata's work rate to the public? Watching Mata's limited games this year and studying his tracking back you can clearly see a vast improvement to this side of his game compared to previous seasons? This is what Mourinho demanded from him, he has done this yet he still does not pick him. Why?
Was there already an agreement made in the summer that Mata would leave for United? You can even look at his so called 'close friendship' with Alex Ferguson which he is always going on about. Did he agree then that he would help United out once he retired? Because that is all he is doing with this sale.
If he is so desperate to get rid of him why not sell him abroad? It might be for 10 million less or so but isn't that money worth it rather than him going to a rival.
Something just doesn't add up here.
All I want to hear on Friday at Jose's press conference is "He is not for sale". Or even better, Mata to come out and say "I will fight for my place". Let it happen!!! Please!!
So we will sell utd mata and come the summer once we approach them again for Rooney they will tell us to **** offnice going chels.
If Rooney wants to leave in the summer he can.
Then what's the ******* point of bribing United with Mata?