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Ride The Walrus said:
I'd say we should appeal, but Bryan Swanson on SSN said that it had all been down to the interpretation of what Evra thought he'd said. So, if it's all down to this, then why bother with the appeal, as they'll still stick with what Evra's had to say yet again. I mean if you're taking one person's interpretation of an action as the evidence, there's no point appealing.

FA fine of £40k for Suarez is more than Fifa have fined entire countries after clear racist abuse by fans at international matches.

It'll probably force him out of England. I know it would to me.
No doubt Mike. will quote some part of this post and try to disprove it. :)
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I dont feel sorry for him, that 40k is what 2 days work for him. Bless
 
Ride The Walrus said:
I'd say we should appeal, but Bryan Swanson on SSN said that it had all been down to the interpretation of what Evra thought he'd said. So, if it's all down to this, then why bother with the appeal, as they'll still stick with what Evra's had to say yet again. I mean if you're taking one person's interpretation of an action as the evidence, there's no point appealing.

FA fine of £40k for Suarez is more than Fifa have fined entire countries after clear racist abuse by fans at international matches.

It'll probably force him out of England. I know it would to me.
No doubt Mike. will quote some part of this post and try to disprove it. :)
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Not interested in disproving it, you stick to the miscarriage of justice view all you want. FA hired languge experts, and they listened to all parties, including suarez.

FA did their job re: fines. not thier fault FIFA is so weak on the issue (aragones on Henry for example)
 
Liverpool Football Club is very surprised and disappointed with the decision of the Football Association Commission to find Luis Suarez guilty of the charges against him.


We look forward to the publication of the Commission's Judgment. We will study the detailed reasons of the Commission once they become available, but reserve our right to appeal or take any other course of action we feel appropriate with regards to this situation.


We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play - including Evra's own Manchester United teammates and all the match officials - heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken.


The Club takes extremely seriously the fight against all forms of discrimination and has a long and successful track record in work relating to anti-racist activity and social inclusion. We remain committed to this ideal and equality for all, irrespective of a person's background.


LFC considers racism in any form to be unacceptable - without compromise. It is our strong held belief, having gone over the facts of the case, that Luis Suarez did not commit any racist act. It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations.


It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'. The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist.


Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black. He has been personally involved since the 2010 World Cup in a charitable project which uses sport to encourage solidarity amongst people of different backgrounds with the central theme that the colour of a person's skin does not matter; they can all play together as a team.


He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was Captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multi-cultural profile, many of whom became good friends.


It seems incredible to us that a player of mixed heritage should be accused and found guilty in the way he has based on the evidence presented. We do not recognise the way in which Luis Suarez has been characterised.


It appears to us that the FA were determined to bring charges against Luis Suarez, even before interviewing him at the beginning of November. Nothing we have heard in the course of the hearing has changed our view that Luis Suarez is innocent of the charges brought against him and we will provide Luis with whatever support he now needs to clear his name.


We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suarez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms. Luis, to his credit, actually told the FA he had not heard the insult.
 
CJACKO11 said:
But if they have charged Suarez then surely they either had evidence or he admitted to it so why isent that being passed onto the police too??
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It may yet be, or Evra may not want to press charges. Murky area.

End of the day, if you are not sure what you saying is going to fly, dont say it
 
Please appeal the ban because you'll only lose that and get him banned for longer. Bit disappointed (but expected nothing less) in Liverpool as a club, standing firmly behind a proven racist isn't going to make them look good. Would like to see them take action as well to prove they want to kick racism out of football.
 
Mike. said:
there is precedent on this re: Terry, even 6 months/year would end his career.
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Yeah, but it just won't happen, and if it does, then why has the same not happened to Suarez? Because you have more evidence on someone means you can charge them so much more? If you are going to charge someone, then you are saying you know for a fact that it has happened, so surely he should be suffering the same fate as Terry.

Mike. said:
They will release how they came to their judgement shortly. If he thought he could get away with it, then im not sure that he would have changed his story, maybe there is something that had him bang to rights, who knows. just becuase we havent seen it doesnt mean its not there
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Still, with no TV footage anywhere, which would seem to point in the direction of the FA having none, and with no other team-mates/opposition/fans/officials backing up Evras claim, it would just be interesting to see what evidence they have, as you should have some nailed on proof to label someone a racist.
 
MisterStubbs said:
One thing I will say though, I have a lot of angry Liverpool fans on twitter as expected but to be honest.. this goes past football rivalry. Luis Saurez has been proven to have racially abused Patrice Evra. Whether it would have been deemed acceptable in he's own country, that makes no difference. If I or anybody else racial abused someone but put it down to a "misunderstanding" we'd still be sacked from our line of work or possible arrested. In my opinion, 8 games is light and £40,000 to Luis is like £1 to the rest of us. Will be interesting to see what action Liverpool take now.
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Liverpool? Just read the statement they released after this verdict. They are such a ignorants that even on official site they said Evra has track record of false accusation when it was proven that he didn't.
 
On the other side if this ban+fine+potential carrer ruiner for Suarez was given with no real evidence and just on Evra's word then the FA are absolute jokes. I dont condone racism at any level but if this is how the FA reached their conclution on just Evra's word then for me this world will go back to slavery (which was wrong in every sence of the way) but with black people in control.
 
Ride The Walrus said:
I'd like to say 'wait until the statement towards Terry', but let's face it, there probably won't be any real action towards the England captain.
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Well its not an FA matter its a police matter, if anything Suarez may be the one who gets of lightly
 
It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations.
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Such a dumb **** statement, surprised that even official sites stoop so low without making proper research.
 
Dunc said:
Yeah, but it just won't happen, and if it does, then why has the same not happened to Suarez? Because you have more evidence on someone means you can charge them so much more? If you are going to charge someone, then you are saying you know for a fact that it has happened, so surely he should be suffering the same fate as Terry.



Still, with no TV footage anywhere, which would seem to point in the direction of the FA having none, and with no other team-mates/opposition/fans/officials backing up Evras claim, it would just be interesting to see what evidence they have, as you should have some nailed on proof to label someone a racist.
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Suarez's case isnt actually over. there could still be action. in one case in italy a player was not satisfied with the footballing authorities actions and took it to court

Another debate entirely about whether the FA should be dealing with cases like this.
 
Loving the fact Liverpool as a club are making themselves look just as bad as Luis Saurez.
 
sunilvk7 said:
Such a dumb **** statement, surprised that even official sites stoop so low without making proper research.
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Poor from a club that i certainly expect much better from. He's actually be done on the lesser charge of the two he could have been, which they failed to notice
 
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