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dilakh2 said:
I see Mingolet is reporting that he is happy to stay as backup. Lovely guy by all accounts and a good pro but keep hearing he is the best backup gk in the league. Sorry but I'd rather bring back Alex Manniger from retirement then have Mingo in goal even for the cup games.
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'If' he does stay, there goes any thoughts of deep domestic cup runs all things being equal.
 
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Its fine. Liverpool did amazing job at finding the right player and elevating them to a world class status. Its really amazing how having a players with right mindset and proper coaching can do.


At this point, you cant go much higher with transfers. Maybe a few youngsters but even that is not important since Lpool have a great prospects in their youth teams.
 
dilakh2 said:
I see Mingolet is reporting that he is happy to stay as backup. Lovely guy by all accounts and a good pro but keep hearing he is the best backup gk in the league. Sorry but I'd rather bring back Alex Manniger from retirement then have Mingo in goal even for the cup games.
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I know Joyce was suggesting the club want to retain him yesterday, but the windows got a long way to go yet mate.

Hopefully a club like that saves us from any chance of seeing him out there next year-

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...-eye-8m-simon-mignolet-transfer-a4175146.html
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
I really like the idea of adding to the growing Oranje group.

Ala Hoever, that would be a really intriguing addition with an eye on the next few years and Lovren and Matip.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spo...erpool-hopeful-beating-bayern-munich-16480624

https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/liv...of-netherlands-u-19/5aq0r1p6hu2p15jsrztq2vwxx

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A very informative piece on this lads rapid development.

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2019/...-sepp-van-den-berg-liverpools-next-joe-gomez/
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Things move fast. It would appear this one is all but done-

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/soc...rces-liverpool-to-sign-coveted-dutch-defender

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spo...-confident-finalising-swift-transfer-16481371

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...petition-sign-17-year-old-dutch-defendersepp/
 
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Scouseinthehouse said:
'If' he does stay, there goes any thoughts of deep domestic cup runs all things being equal.
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I would rather a kid in goal then watch Mingo in goal again. Even the Wolves cup game a decent keeper couldve saved both or at least one of the goals. I'm not joking when I say he isnt even good enough for the premier league. One of the worst footworks i've ever seen in a keeper and the myth he is a good shot stopper goes out the window as I remember a stat in his last starting season were he let in every first shot on target. Like I said before nice guy but not even good enough to be backup.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
I know Joyce was suggesting the club want to retain him yesterday, but the windows got a long way to go yet mate.

Hopefully a club like that saves us from any chance of seeing him out there next year-

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...-eye-8m-simon-mignolet-transfer-a4175146.html
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Heard there interested in taking back Clyne as well although both will be hard to shift as they are on quite high wages. Wont stop Edwards from making a profit on them though lol.
 
dilakh2 said:
Heard there interested in taking back Clyne as well although both will be hard to shift as they are on quite high wages. Wont stop Edwards from making a profit on them though lol.
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With Utd looking like they're set for a highly inflated gamble on Wan-Bissaka, let's hope that Palace through good chunk of that back our way for both Clyne and Mignolet.
 
Theatre of Dreams83 said:

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Liverpool have signed highly-rated 17-year-old Sepp van den Berg from PEC Zwolle for an initial £1.3million
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From not so much as knowing this lad existed 2 days ago, I'm honestly really enthused by this one.

Everything just fits.

Any kid that's been the youngest to break the great Clarence Seedorf's record of 10 first team Eredivisie appearances makes you sit up. To have 22 games in the Dutch top flight and cup (15 starts), along with already being a part of the Natherlands U19 squad at 17 ..... kid must have something specail. And everything you've read the last few days from his coaches at Zwolle through Dutch journo's attests to how highly he's rated in the Netherlands.

I love the fact we've beaten off Ajax and PSV in his homeland where he'd of definitely started from day one. Along with mighty Bayern Munich. Which when you consider the amount of youngsters now going to Germany for first team opportunity's early that is another major coup.

I love the fact that he's coming in not as an academy player per se, but one who they view as a serious first team option going forward. And with the heavy Christmas period added to with the CWC this year, there's every chance he'll be involved in the first team in that and the domestic Cups before/ by-the-turn-of-the-year. And there's the 21's entering the Checkatrade Trophy too that will continue to expose him to the rigours of the men's game.

I love the fact that we've got a living, breathing, glorious technicolour example of Trent to show to him that if you're good enough and do everything we require, you'll play early here. And his compatriot Hoever and his rapid rise from U18's through the 19/23's to a first team debut at 16 and training full time with the first team just adds to that for Sepp and the attractiveness of the youth pathway at Anfield.

And given the roaring success of our scouting/ transfer policy off our tireless analytical work, that just fills you with massive confidence that this could well be another gem for absolute buttons.

It's got smacks of Hyppia and JMG about it.

And it's great to add to our growing Oranje contingent at Anfield. He'll certainly feel at home.

And then there's the distinct probability of Lovren and maybe Matip not being here over the next 2/ 3 seasons. So the planning for that now with Hoever and now van den Berg can't be anything other than a great thing.

Mad to be this excited about someone you'd never so much of heard about 2 days prior, but I genuinely am for everything stated above.

Everything just fits.

Here's to a long and successful career at the best club in Europe Sepp.
 
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Whether Sepp fulfils his massive potential or not, it just refreshingly hammers home yet again that you don't need to consistently spend £100's of millions in the market. If you get your club structure right, and have a top scouting and analytical department working off the model that fits you, with everyone open to different ideas and opinions through the process, bargains can still readily be had in this currently vastly over inflated market.

I love that more and more bigger clubs are starting to look at our approach in the transfer market and adapting their own down to how we do it differently to everybody else and can still challenge clubs like City. We can still have the 2nd most valuable squad in the world at £1 Billion or so just after City's without being backed by a whole State down to the pure intelligence we have assembled within our ranks. (The amount go PhD physicists on the analytical side alone is far leading the way in World football.).

Which all leave's you perfectly happy and content that they totally know what they're doing whether we add to a £1.3 million (potentially £4.4 Mill. based over 350 appearances domestically and in Europe) 17-year-old or not this window.

That's the implicit confidence Klopp, Edwards, Gordon and co have earned that they're doing what's right for the club in the long and short term.

Credit to FSG for putting this whole structure in place and allowing it to flourish.

When you get that, it becomes a whole lot easier (and no less cheaper), to successfully operate.
 
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Theatre of Dreams83 said:

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Liverpool have signed highly-rated 17-year-old Sepp van den Berg from PEC Zwolle for an initial £1.3million
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Kid should have gone to Ajax or one of the German teams that ain't afraid to put faith in youngsters. This looks like another case of top clubs stockpiling talented youngsters when they would be better of going to a club that will actually play them and plan their development.
 
If you honestly believe, besides anything else, we're 'stockpiling talented youngsters' just because d you haven't been paying much of any attention to our 'quality over quantity' ethos based on Atlethic Bilbao's model since Inglethorpe took charge and changed the whole academy structure 4 years or so back.

Not that this one is an academy signing per se but all relative.

And you'd be doing Klopp a serious disservice in so doing too.
 
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Scouseinthehouse said:
If you honestly believe, besides anything else, we're 'stockpiling talented youngsters' just because d you haven't been paying much of any attention to our 'quality over quantity' ethos based on Atlethic Bilbao's model since Inglethorpe took charge and changed the whole academy structure 4 years or so back.

Not that this one is an academy signing per se but all relative.
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Of course he is an academy signing he is only 17 and played a handful of games at a club in the bottom half of a lower league. His age also means he will come in as a school kid so this idea that he will train or have a path into the first team is hogwash as they are only allowed to train a certain number of hours due to rules. I have a strong stance on the development of young players at English clubs is waaay behind the rest of Europe. Heck even Hoever the other young kid only got his chance on the bench because of an injury crisis. Nothing wrong with buying young talent but the likelyhood of him making it here is very low and the best thing for his development would be to have gone to Ajax or a German team.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
I seriously don't know where to start with that.

So much misinformation and contradiction.
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I'm just looking at it by taking off the lfc rose tinted glasses. Can you explain any misinformation or contradiction when we have seen it happen at top clubs many a times before. Young prospects come in and get lost on the side many times and just because they play a game here or there doesn't mean they will make it.
 
He is for the academy for sure. If he'd gone to Ajax he wouldn't be in the starting line-up. He'd probably play atleast another season in the 2nd team of Ajax at the 2nd level in the Netherlands.

After PEC Zwolle changed their manager during fight against regelation he was put on the bench again for a mediocre defender.

I mean he probably has a lot of talent, but in the Netherlands we tend to give youngsters a bit too early a stage on top level. It might kick-off their career, but the flaw is with all the moneyball analytics going on right now is that those players are being way over hyped.
 
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