The Liverpool Thread

[Scouseinthehouse]

I'm just looking at it by taking off the lfc rose tinted glasses. Can you explain any misinformation or contradiction when we have seen it happen at top clubs many a times before. Young prospects come in and get lost on the side many times and just because they play a game here or there doesn't mean they will make it.

No, you aren't. At all.

Misinformation- Schoolboy contracts.You need to brush up on the rules there. He's on a pro contract. Like the aforementioned, 16, now 17 year-old Hoever who trains full time at Melwood. (Down to the pathway you claim isn't there unlike at European clubs.). By what you wrote, he shouldn't be allowed to be there right doing that?. Or Curtis Jones and the like come to that. And has the same career plan as Hoever. To be integrated in the first team squad as soon as possible.

Contradiction - You flippantly dismiss van den Berg as 'only 17 and played a handful of games at a club in the bottom half of a lower league', so of course he's an 'academy signing.' And then you go on to repeat that he should have gone to Ajax ..... to continue playing in that 'lower league' you've just scorned!

I aren't repeating myself to type anything I've not typed previously already today on the complete misconception you have on this signing. There's more than enough out there today if you want to take the time.

But I'll credit you with being one of the very few, even on-line, to see any negativity in this from either the player or football clubs standpoint. That is quite impressive.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

He is for the academy for sure. ..... .

I posted an article on the reason Stam pulled him out of the starting line-up the other day but that aside, don't confuse being 'initially in the academy' to it being an 'academy signing.'

Nottin could be further from the truth.

 

[dilakh2]

i'll read up on the school boy contracts situation as i'm sure that under 18s although on pro contracts are not allowed to train fulltime with the first team as they have education requirements. I'll agree to disagree with the idea we are better placed to offer him a path into the first team compared to Ajax etc... A good chance to progress into the first team at the lower leagues and regular games at that level is still better than waiting for an injury crisis at the top clubs.

Edit: I don't see it as a negative lfc buying a young prospect who might go on to be a world beater. If anything we are pretty decent at it as Klopp isn't afraid to give kids chances but its still not better than the rest of Europe. Anyway all im saying is that top English clubs do not have a good track record in developing these young talents and that they would be better off signing for clubs that will offer them this e.g German clubs. We have seen in it many times before and we will see it many times again.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Not sure why we signed JMG at 18 either come to think of it.

He'd of been far better served either staying at Charlton or going abroad.

I see that now.

 

[dilakh2]

Not sure why we signed JMG at 18 either come to think of it.

He'd of been far better served either staying at Charlton or going abroad.

I see that now.

That's a different situation as Joe came in having already played a season of first team football at a higher level. You are forgetting the club was in a different place back then and Joe only got his chance again at left back because we had Moreno the only first team left back at the time who was dropped by Rodgers. You cant compare JMG to this kid

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

That's a different situation as Joe came in having already played a season of first team football at a higher level. You are forgetting the club was in a different place back then and Joe only got his chance again at left back because we had Moreno the only first team left back at the time who was dropped by Rodgers. You cant compare JMG to this kid

Au contraire. Joe had 24 appearances under his belt when we left Charlton through one season of professional logger. This lad, in a much higher league, has 22 all told through 2 years. Joe was scouted for a good while and identified as a serious prospect we wanted to fast track to the first team. (Which he expedited from the get-go with his stunning pre-season displays.). The same as Hoever and van den Berg. The comparison is very much there. And Liverpool rate Sepp akin to the same standard as Joe was when they brought him from Charlton already.

You're continuing to completely ignore the clubs plans for this lad and blunder on with your nark about youth players in England.

Bobby Duncan. Isaac Christie-Davies. Matteo Ritachio. Jack Bearne etc etc. Those are 'academy signings' you hope might develop good enough to stick. Or you increase the academy's profile and level whilst they're here, give them a good grounding in their career's, and sell them on for a decent profit to fund coaching the next batch and keep the academy self-funding.

Players like Gomez, Hoever, and our first signing this summer, aren't ostensibly 'academy signings' you're taking a punt on that may or may not turn into something. They have been followed by us for a good time and project through our analysis work to be high calibre talents we regard real highly and expect to progress to the first team very quickly. As Joe and Ki-Jana, at his rapid rate last season, already have.

You're completely missing the point on this one seemingly in your zeal to fume at youth coaching in this Country.

 

[dilakh2]

I know the difference between academy players and players ear marked for first team football but the club is operating at a different level now. JMG coming in when we were a mid table club/squad is different to when we are at the top end. This new kid will be behind a whole host of first team players in his position for the foreseeable future and would be better placed signing for a club were the route to the first team isn't that stacked. The club can say they have a plan blah blah but at the end of the day at the top level results is what matters and the development of prospects isn't at the forefront. I guess unless we can both see into the future we won't know if he will make it or not but being fans of this club I hope he does and goes on to be a world beater.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

It's like Trent, who could have been overlooked for more senior players out of Kirkby, isn't a thing. Or Brewster. Or lads like Lewis and Wilson being kept back from loan to give them a chance to show pre-season if they've made the leap to be a part of the squad. Or Lovren being gone by next summer. If he's not gone this window. With Matip in that mix too. Leaving gaps in the CH group. (Of which we currently have 4 senior centre half's. One of whom can't sneeze without being out for a few weeks.).

You're flying completely in the face of what the manager's long term aim for the club is to be producing more of our own which will only intensify from next summer 'shen everyone is together in the same facility.

It's irrelevant whether he makes it or not. The fact that he's high in their plan for the development of the squad going forward is.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

In this great Thursday of youth, we now have a departure-

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Not too shabby a deal for a lad who made a mere 2 appearances and was threatening to run down his contract.

At least £5 million/ potentially £7 million profit for three years coaching, plus a 20% sell-on and buy back option? When, if he'd stayed and let his contract run-down, we'd of been entitled to a mere £270K compensation? I'll take that in a heartbeat. That sorts the academy out by itself for a couple of years for the next group of Camacho's under our watch. And covers us if he does now kick-on and have a decent career.

Pity Rafa didn't want to switch to FB/WB as you feel there'd had been a good few opportunity's next season with all the extra games. But he wants to stick to being an attacker so fair play to him. He has to do what's right for his career. Which hopefully can now start in earnest back home where it all began.

All the best mate. Thanks for some great memories at youth level.


And completing this very good day of youth bits, congratulations to Abdi Sharif on his first pro-contract at 18.

Can never have enough Scousers tied down.

 

[dilakh2]

Can't wait for the squad to finally touch the 'This is Anfield sign'. Can the season start already transfer window got me bored out my mind.

 

[Theatre of Dreams83]

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Liverpool midfielder Marko Grujic has completed a season-long loan move to Bundesliga side Hertha Berlin

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Can't wait for the squad to finally touch the 'This is Anfield sign'.....

Talking of, Guardiola knows -

(Taken from a long interview with Catalan paper ARA talking about the Barcelona semi: https://www.ara.cat/societat/PEPGUARDIOLA-partits-independentistes-vagin-junts_0_2261773815.html)

“I thought they’d score a goal at Anfield, and I am sure the players knew that Anfield is Anfield,” he said.

“The motto ‘This is Anfield’ is no marketing spin. There’s something about it that you will find in no other stadium in the world.

“They score a goal and over the next five minutes you feel that you’ll receive another four.

“You feel small and the rival players seem to be all over.

“We’ve all gone through what happened to Barca. They were laughing at me when we were losing 3-0 after the first 15, 20 minutes of the quarter-final.

“It’s a ****** of a ground.”


Utterly mad how every season folk STILL continue to dismiss the unique, difference making ability of Anfield in all her glory when we're fully on it. Like it's not a genuine factor and it's just another thing we just 'unbearably' go on about like it's some made-up Scouse myth.


Just how many more examples do they need?


Sidenote- The 'Unbearable' European Champions flag at Glastonbury over the weekend.


Is F right!

 

[Theatre of Dreams83]

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Danny Ings' move from #LFC to Southampton officially completed today. Liverpool bank £18million guaranteed with another £2m to potentially follow in add-ons. https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-handed-20m-transfer-boost-16514596 …

 

[zzeezzy]

Big mistake by you guys IF you're not making any significant signings.... getting to near the top of the perch competing with City and then resting on your laurels will just set you further back. Especially when you consider City will be investing this window on players like Rodri etc.

 

[Theatre of Dreams83]

Pool defo need better depth.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Big mistake by you guys IF you're not making any significant signings.... getting to near the top of the perch competing with City and then resting on your laurels will just set you further back. Especially when you consider City will be investing this window on players like Rodri etc.

' .....'near' the top of the perch' .....'

Doesn't get ANY higher than this mate-

L'pool be sound. Rumours and what they feed the press are just white noise in the background. They know what they're doing.

 

[zzeezzy]

' .....'near' the top of the perch' .....'

Doesn't get ANY higher than this mate-

L'pool be sound. Rumours and what they feed the press are just white noise in the background. They know what they're doing.

I meant domestically, you can't look back on what you've just achieved got to keep on pushing on and improving the squad even when your winning major trophies! By all the rumours it seems Liverpool (if the media are anywhere near true) aren't going to do much this window.

When you consider the amount of players on the move as well as Euros next summer so that will make it a less appealing window to do business, seems like an opportunity missed to me unless you make a couple of signings this window of course.

 

[Mike.]

They don't feed the press white noise. That just isn't how it works. There's a difference between radio silence/no comment (which is common) and outright lying (which does not). The reason is that far more people know what's going with transfers than people think. Football clubs, well sports clubs in general are absolute sieves.

Take Pepe for example. The idea from Liverpool fans that Liverpool are lying and misdirecting over him is false. That is not to say, that they might not change their mind in a couple of weeks, but the idea they are lying to local reporters that they are angry over being used as a reason for prices to shoot up doesn't work.

Firstly clubs tend to want and need relationships with reporters(choose local/select/all depending on the club), and while they can't, and won't tell them anything, its an issue of trust that goes both ways.

Secondly, stuff almost always gets out, because people gossip within the club, someone tells their mate outside the club, someone tells their agent, eventually it ends up in the papers or social media. It's just much easier to say no comment, or ignore it entirely (what happens with the vast majority of rumours. When you go public like that, you're either setting record straight (we aren't interested) or briefing (we won't be paying crazy money for anyone this window), or both

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

I don't think you've been paying much attention to just what L'pool let out and what they don't since they badly messed up the initial van Dijk deal that ended up costing them another £25 million or so. There's been little to nottin coming out of the club since then and when there has, they've invariably made a good few journalists look pretty silly by completely misdirecting them. Alisson last year was a prime example that left the local corp with egg on their face.

The Pepe example doesn't stack up with how you've just described it either as there's absolutely zero reason to so vehemently deny any interest, if they have no interest. It wouldn't effect them at all. The Bruno Fernandes rumours won't go away but they've not gone off on one through a local at Sporting and those links as much as they moot through the press they aren't interested there. So what gives on Pepe to make that different? If anything, if they were working on something else, that distraction with Pepe only benefits them.

I've no clue whether they are or aren't interested. (I couldn't tell you who their targets are. So good have the got at letting next to nothing out.).

But I certainly wouldn't dismiss anything as a possibility out of the club given how they've been operating the last few years in the high end, smoke and mirrors transfer game.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

I meant domestically, you can't look back on what you've just achieved got to keep on pushing on and improving the squad even when your winning major trophies! By all the rumours it seems Liverpool (if the media are anywhere near true) aren't going to do much this window.

When you consider the amount of players on the move as well as Euros next summer so that will make it a less appealing window to do business, seems like an opportunity missed to me unless you make a couple of signings this window of course.

Well, FWIW, I aren't going to concern myself with a lack of signings on July 2. ****, I wouldn't if this was the window shutting on August 8 and they've decided to wait until January for specific targets. Or next summer. They've more than earned anyones trust to think they know exactly what they're doing for both the long and short term and it will invariably be the right course they take.

The squads already stronger on last season as we currently stand right now.

Here's three players we've not had the use of much of all. Two of which are majorly important and a third who they rate within the football club as high as Fowler/ Owen coming through and who will get his fair share of games this year with the extra games. Oxo-Chambo. JMG. And Rhian Brewster.

That's the squad strengthened right there by addition. (I don't really count Moreno's 5 appearances as a loss. And Rhian will play a FAR bigger and more influential part than Daniel did last year all things being equal.). Add 'The Man, The Myth, The Living LEG-END Joe MF Gomez!', who we barely saw the last last 6 months since the leg break at Burnley the start of last December, and in effect you've three new bodies who will play a significant part this coming season. At the loss of 2 who wouldn't have.

And that's before you start with the likes of Lewis and Wilson being kept back from loans to see if they have made sufficient a leap through pre-season to be included in the squad.

Oh yeah, and the squad as a whole being that much better for both finally getting over the line and winning a trophy. The biggest they possibly could have won. Along with now knowing that they can go drop a 97 point season and hang neck-and-neck with City. That experience and the confidence they'll take from that, knowing they can go the distance and win this league, is immeasurable.

Do we ideally need to strengthen in a few areas? No question. They know that. Just when you get to the currently super high level L'pool are at, the pool of players that improve you, or at the least are as good as what you currently have, is an ever decreasing one. Which makes it all a lot harder task strengthening. As it happens, I personally fully believe they will when the right price in this stupidly over inflated market falls for the right player they have put the season's of research into who fits to a T.

Klopp, Edwards, Gordon and co know exactly what needs doing. And they also know they already have one of the best squads in European football. (We can argue that but being the Champions of all of Europe, coming off the best season of any team in Europe, renders it an obsolete debate.).

Only speaking personally mate but it's honestly not a concern to me right now and I'm just enjoying basking in being the best of the best. And the brilliant gang of lads we have who put us there and the next step on this wondrous ride we'll have with them next season.

All safe in the knowledge that the men that matter will take care of everything else when the right players that will improve the squad become available.