The Liverpool Thread

[juventus1980]

Liverpool- Udinese is a very good game.

Udinese punching above their weight as per usual.

 

[redterror39]

Disgusting from Liverpool, midtable obscurity is what they deserve.

 

[juventus1980]

Disgusting from Liverpool, midtable obscurity is what they deserve.

Udinese are a good team, easily Champions League quality, not an easy game for Liverpool.

 

[redterror39]

Liverpool gave away two terrible goals, thats what I mean. Always the same mistakes, always thensame defensive mishaps whilst lacking the clinical edge in attack. Can't rely on Suarez to score wonder goals all of the time, although I will agree that Udinese are a quality side. In fact they haven't played as well as I thought they would :/

 

[ajt09]

And not to mention there were 8 changes made too so in a way it's not actually as bad as you make it out-showing promising signs from Liverpools youngsters

 

[redterror39]

And not to mention there were 8 changes made too so in a way it's not actually as bad as you make it out-showing promising signs from Liverpools youngsters

I'm sorry if I am coming across as a bit of a fool but I am just sick and tired of seeing this team give away soft goal after soft goal with Brendan Rodgers doing nothing about it.

 

[ajt09]

I'm sorry if I am coming across as a bit of a fool but I am just sick and tired of seeing this team give away soft goal after soft goal with Brendan Rodgers doing nothing about it.

Happens to the best of them at times. World class players makes mistakes, GKs make howlers. Part and parcel of the game. Technically they shouldn't but they're human. Will happen unfortunately. It's football.

 

[redterror39]

Happens to the best of them at times. World class players makes mistakes, GKs make howlers. Part and parcel of the game. Technically they shouldn't but they're human. Will happen unfortunately. It's football.

I understand where you are coming from but these people are professional footballers, they get paid a rediculous amount of money per week and they can't even get the basics right. And they continuously make these silly, sloppy mistakes like they are on the play ground and I am sick and tired of making excuses for the failings of this team.

 

[Ride The Walrus]

I'm sorry if I am coming across as a bit of a fool but I am just sick and tired of seeing this team give away soft goal after soft goal with Brendan Rodgers doing nothing about it.

What the heck could he do? Do you think he's soft, of course he'll be trying to improve our defenders, but in the end when the match starts, he can do eff all.

played well, lost, typical performance. also sick of Gerrard now, gave away another goal today, was only on about 15 minutes.

 

[Tyton]

So any contact = a foul?

To be fair ANY contact can potentially cause a trip or fall, its just a matter of timing , point of "entry" , and whether you're making contact with Drogba or with Iniesta, if you get my meaning

I played at this game back at college (cool story bro, i know). Entire game I went really rough shoulder to shoulder with defender , good 40 minutes with nothing happening. At some point he just barely touched me when i was changing directions while on full speed and i flew in the air like Superman. We had no professional ref, the other team said i dived, my team said i almost died, and it ended up with a little team on team brawl.

 

[Joel`]

To be fair ANY contact can potentially cause a trip or fall, its just a matter of timing , point of "entry" , and whether you're making contact with Drogba or with Iniesta, if you get my meaning

I played at this game back at college (cool story bro, i know). Entire game I went really rough shoulder to shoulder with defender , good 40 minutes with nothing happening. At some point he just barely touched me when i was changing directions while on full speed and i flew in the air like Superman. We had no professional ref, the other team said i dived, my team said i almost died, and it ended up with a little team on team brawl.

Of course. It's pretty easy to tell whether contact has truly knocked someone down, just not in real time.

 

[Aannddyy]

Another game where we outplay the opposition but concede sloppy goals. When will it end? - At least Suarez is doing well! 7 goals and 3 assists in 9 games.

Udinese are a good team, easily Champions League quality, not an easy game for Liverpool.

Well that's not true. Di Natale is but the rest of the team isn't.

 

[Aannddyy]

Yes, my opinion, based on the laws of the game and what they constitute as a penalty and what they deem as simulation/dive whatever you want to call it.

one was a clear pen, one looked soft but have been given, and one was a dive(just because there is contact doesnt equal a foul, throwing yourself to the ground after minimal contact, is still a dive, despite what pundits say abour going to ground because they felt something, thats not accomodated in the laws of the game). He's been unlucky, but you reap what you sow.

I'm sorry, which is which?

Also going to ground after contact is not diving, going down without contact is diving. If a player knocks you off balance then you have to go down.. It's the only way you would get a penalty. It's not the players fault that's the way it works.

 

[Mike.]

I'm sorry, which is which?

Also going to ground after contact is not diving, going down without contact is diving. If a player knocks you off balance then you have to go down.. It's the only way you would get a penalty. It's not the players fault that's the way it works.

Soft vs United, dive after contact that did not trip him vs Sunderland. Norwich clear pen IIRC.

Actually going to ground after contact, if said contact does not imbalance you, is diving. What you said in bold is actually diving by the laws of the game, if the act of being knocked off balance has not been committed through a foul. There is nothing in the rules that advocates what you just said, its often trotted out by pundits, and its also completely wrong. And yes, yes it is partly the players fault. lack of honestly leads to refs second guessing.

 

[Lee]

Anybody have the odds for a cross field field ball from Adam to Pennant who then crosses to Crouch who nods it down to Owen to grab a 1-0 win in injury time?

 

[redterror39]

Got to give some credit, Downing played decently for the first time in a while. Provided the assist for the first goal and almost bagged a goal for himself. Shame we don't really have a solid team tbh, really frustrating as the defending is often woeful and sloppy, not even League 2 defenders play that bad.

 

[Tezzz]

You've missed the point . Never disputed a foul is a foul, what i said was contact isn't always a foul. There is a big difference. There is no such thing as being entitled to go down because there is contact under the rules, far too many players, and its not just Suarez, not by a long way, are guilty of this. If there is contact, but you haven't actually been tripped, or impeded in a manner that is a described as a foul in the laws of the game, but you decide to go down, that is a dive.

Incorrect. I could get the heaviest kick ever to the back of my leg and stay up. It'd still be a foul. Unfortunately referees are retarded nowadays and don't give fouls in the box unless they've gone down. Someone could get a blatant shirt pull in the back and I bet you they won't get the penalty unless they go down. Don't blame the players for going down, they're just letting the referees know that there has been a foul.

I dare you to find one incident where Suarez has gone down with no contact. I didn't see you mention Valencia there either. I know Suarez can go down easy but I've never heard of going down when someones palm has tapped them on the back.

 

[Jake]

Incorrect. I could get the heaviest kick ever to the back of my leg and stay up. It'd still be a foul. Unfortunately referees are retarded nowadays and don't give fouls in the box unless they've gone down. Someone could get a blatant shirt pull in the back and I bet you they won't get the penalty unless they go down. Don't blame the players for going down, they're just letting the referees know that there has been a foul.

I dare you to find one incident where Suarez has gone down with no contact. I didn't see you mention Valencia there either. I know Suarez can go down easy but I've never heard of going down when someones palm has tapped them on the back.

Took me 30 seconds.

Suarez diving - YouTube

 

[Mike.]

Incorrect. I could get the heaviest kick ever to the back of my leg and stay up. It'd still be a foul. Unfortunately referees are retarded nowadays and don't give fouls in the box unless they've gone down. Someone could get a blatant shirt pull in the back and I bet you they won't get the penalty unless they go down. Don't blame the players for going down, they're just letting the referees know that there has been a foul.

I dare you to find one incident where Suarez has gone down with no contact. I didn't see you mention Valencia there either. I know Suarez can go down easy but I've never heard of going down when someones palm has tapped them on the back.

Jake beat me to it.
If you had taken a heavy kick, you would have been impeded, even though you were not tripped, which would be a foul, go back, and read the part where I also mention impeded, its two words after you bolded. Next time read the whole sentence, rather than take part of it out of context. No i didn't mention Valencia, but then i didnt say it was only Suarez, I actually actively pointed out he was far from the only player, again go back and read it.

I actually mention two United players who do it repeatedly. So I dont really know where you are going with this.

Also, Suarez and Metresacker is an example, Mertesacker had his arm on his back, but Suarez went down like he had been tripped. Oddly enough it looks like it could have been a pen, for the arm, looked like he might have impeded him, but Suarez actually takes a dive like he's been tripped.

 

[juventus1980]

From reading this debate on Suarez diving, the one thing I've really got from it, is how much I admire British football fans in being so adamant about fair play. In Italy (and obviously lots of other countries including those in South America), your seen as being very clever if you can trick the referee into awarding a favourable decision for your side, and it's the defenders fault for allowing the referee to be conned. It's commonplace for a commentator to praise a player for winning a decision with use of gamesmanship (a penalty for example) rather than reprimanding him. Much prefer the British ideas on fair play.