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More or less true, even Liverpool had even got a Europa League place next season it would have been a great deal of help unfortunately going for English players whose transfer prices as we know will be inflated is just not the way Mike..... I ca understand the Carroll and Henderson transfer but why would Pool pay close to 16m for Downing, why not try for somene like Charles N Zogbia instead or better still, give a quality player like Joe Cole a chance, let him justify his wages

N'zogbia's strictly a winger, Downing's more versatile and a better crosser just not as tricky.
And no chance on Cole, he's had his chances, he's been amazingly poor, he's just awful and on too high wages.
 
N'zogbia's strictly a winger, Downing's more versatile and a better crosser just not as tricky.
And no chance on Cole, he's had his chances, he's been amazingly poor, he's just awful and on too high wages.


Agreed but 18m is the price that is being quoted for Downing and that would be overpriced, if the deal does not come down to 15m I dont see u guys moving for him also Cole deserves a chance, he is a great player on his day, shame he left Chelsea, he was a real fan favourite with us but tbh the fella deserves a chance, in the first half of the season he played under an incompetent manager and in the second half, he was largely overlooked by Daglish
 
Joe Cole is not a quality player, lazy and inconsistent, with zero tactical awareness
 
Agreed but 18m is the price that is being quoted for owning and that would be overpriced, if the deal does not come down to 15m I dont see u guys moving for him also Cole deserves a chance, he is a great player on his day, shame he left Chelsea, he was a real fan favourite with us but tbh you the fella deserves a chance, in the first half of the season he played under an incompetent manager and in the second half, he was largely overlooked by Daglish

he was overlooked by Dalglish for the same reason he was overlooked by Capello and let go by Ancellotti. He's actually pretty average
 
he was overlooked by Dalglish for the same reason he was overlooked by Capello and let go by Ancellotti. He's actually pretty average


aye but if he is on high wages he deserves a chance to prove it that he is worth the dough Pool are spending on him, its either Pool offload him now or give him a chance next season because just putting his 90k p/w **** on the bench wont do Pool any favours
 
aye but if he is on high wages he deserves a chance to prove it that he is worth the dough Pool are spending on him, its either Pool offload him now or give him a chance next season because just putting his 90k p/w **** on the bench wont do Pool any favours

Hence why they are trying to offload him. but who wants an average player for 90k? and its not 90k, closer to 110k
 
Hence why they are trying to offload him. but who wants an average player for 90k?


have not seen 2 many articles on that particular end tbh... he will have to accept a wage cut, can see him going to a decent top-half side
 
have not seen 2 many articles on that particular end tbh... he will have to accept a wage cut, can see him going to a decent top-half side

IF he accepts a wage cut, and that is the big sticking point
 
Im just wondering what kind of targets you think you should be getting, because you are outgunned on most fronts by your rivals

Even without European football, we can attract big names. Luis Suarez anyone? Not massive names, but quality players.

We're on about selling the fans POTY so we can accomodate the average Charlie Adam - erm, no thanks.
Stewart Downing, another player who isn't worth the rumoured fee. It's stupid, and NESV, Commoli and Kenny need to look at these 'stats' a bit more.
 
what happened to Joe Cole is quite suprising as this time last year all the Big 3 plus spurs wanted him !
 
Even without European football, we can attract big names. Luis Suarez anyone? Not massive names, but quality players.

We're on about selling the fans POTY so we can accomodate the average Charlie Adam - erm, no thanks.
Stewart Downing, another player who isn't worth the rumoured fee. It's stupid, and NESV, Commoli and Kenny need to look at these 'stats' a bit more.


You got him becuase no one else was moving for him. Commoli is one of the best out there, frankly i cant fathom why you would seek to criticise him and Dalglish this early
 
We're on about selling the fans POTY so we can accomodate the average Charlie Adam - erm, no thanks.
Stewart Downing, another player who isn't worth the rumoured fee. It's stupid, and NESV, Commoli and Kenny need to look at these 'stats' a bit more.

I'm assuming you mean Lucas? Since when have we been wanting to get rid of him?

We're in a similar situation as Man City were after their takeover, building a solid spine and then having to overpay for good (not great) players to strengthen the rest of the squad.
 
I'm assuming you mean Lucas? Since when have we been wanting to get rid of him?

We're in a similar situation as Man City were after their takeover, building a solid spine and then having to overpay for good (not great) players to strengthen the rest of the squad.

Fans Player of the Year was Meireles I believe.

From my point of view, the worst case scenario in terms of signings would be Dann, Enrique, Henderson, Adam, Downing, N'Zogbia and Wickham. To me, this is still a vast improvement on our current squad, if you compare them with the players they would be replacing. And to be honest, I have faith that Kenny and Comolli can do better than that, and expect them to have a couple of surprises in store for us.

As for Downing, I believe he would be a great buy for £17m or less. He is a proper winger who can cross the ball and cause an attacking threat, and is left-footed. He is the kind of player Liverpool need. If we were to sign Mata too, and that's a major 'if', then I can see Kenny using Downing and Mata on opposite sides much like he did with Barnes and Beardsley. One providing width and supplying crosses (Barnes/Downing) and the other cutting inside from the right wing to attack with the stronger left foot (Beardsley/Mata). That's why it annoys me when I see people saying 'if we buy Downing, we won't go for Mata'.
 
Precisely. If Downing and Mata both sign, if not Mata then N'Zogbia or someone like that. But I think Downing's pretty much nailed on to sign to be honest. Then as our strike force; Suarez, Carroll, Kuyt, Wickham which is just beastly, finally we do what other teams do and have the strikers to be able to rotate them dependant on the match.
 
What Stewart Downing’s Game Would Give Liverpool

What Stewart Downing

by Paul McKinnon at Monday, Jun 27 2011 11:23
Having recently been linked with moves for Ashley Young and Sylvain Marveaux only to lose out to Manchester United and Newcastle United respectively, Liverpool are now strong favourites to land Stewart Downing from Aston Villa as the club scour the market for more creativity on the wings this close season.

Speculation is rife in the national media that the ex-Middlesboro man is on the verge of a move to Anfield and, following hard on the heels of Jordan Henderson’s £20m move from Sunderland, Downing’s arrival would give Kenny Dalglish the chance to field a natural left winger in his starting XI, this giving Liverpool a more balanced feel to their play in the upcoming campaign.

Over the course of last term, Liverpool’s lack of left-side continuity is summed up by the fact they fielded six different players in the position and with question marks allegedly hanging over the immediate futures of Maxi Rodriguez, Raul Meireles, Joe Cole and Milan Jovanovic, Downing’s proven Premier League pedigree looks set to solve the problem.

Here’s a look at his stats and the above-mentioned Liverpool players, highlighting just what Downing will offer to King Kenny’s side next season:

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A look at his Shots per game (1.6) shows Downing, playing in an Aston Villa that struggled for the majority of last season, offered the same sort of goal threat as both Meireles and Maxi, who both managed 1.7. Cole and Jovanovic were given just fourteen starts between them, with little faith shown in either in their respective debut seasons by Roy Hodgson and then, subsequently, Dalglish, following his mid-season appointment, and the figures show why; Cole had 14 shots over his 20 appearances and Jovanovich a paltry 2 shots in his 10 games.

Maxi was far and away the most clinical here; he scored 10 goals from 47 shots, an average of 1 Goal every 4.7 Shots. Downing’s 7 goals for Villa came from an average of 1 every 8.68 Shots, almost identical to the finishing of Meireles (8.58), though the latter is perhaps remembered more for his goal scoring last season, due to some spectacular finishes.

When it comes to Key Passes, Steven Gerrard led the way for Liverpool last season with 2.52 per game, but the captain was plagued with injuries and made just 21 appearances in the 2010/11 campaign. In his absence, Meireles was second-best with an average of 2, indicating how much the side rely on their skipper’s ability to supply the creative spark.

Downing’s passing and delivery from the flank saw him pick up 7 Assists on his way to recording 2.24 Key Passes per match for Villa and will clearly bring an extra creative element to Dalglish’s side. Maxi’s 1.25 indicates an eye for a killer ball is perhaps not as strong as his shooting and, once again, Cole and Jovanovich fare poorly, with just 0.45 and 0.7 Key Passes per game respectively.

Cole was the best for Successful Dribbles (0.9), though with such minimal Key Passes and just 1 Assist all season, showed little end product when in possession, with his mazy runs coming to nothing. Downing’s 0.7 is again favourable when compared to the others and shows his trickery on the ball is yet another example of what he’ll bring to the club.

It’s his Crossing stats that really stand out here, though, and are critical to the likely acquisition; Downing averaged 6.4 every match, the same as Nani, with only Leighton Baines managing more (6.6) over the course of last season. This type of consistent delivery will be crucial in getting the best out of Andy Carroll- the £35m man has struggled to make much of an impact since his arrival at Anfield, finding the net in just one of his nine Liverpool appearances in all competitions to date.

The Crossing of Meireles (2.5), Cole (1.5), Maxi (0.6) and Jovanovich (1.3) per game demonstrates how Liverpool have failed to utilise the aerial prowess of the ex-Newcastle man to any great effect. At St James’ Park, Newcastle clearly played to Carroll’s strengths; he won 62% of Aerial Duels during his time there last season, but this has significantly dropped to 46% since moving to Anfield.

On this evidence, it’s clear Liverpool need a winger capable of supplying Carroll with Crosses in order to get the best out of him and a move for Downing may very well prove the key to his success at the club. With Luis Suarez already settling in so spectacularly, a rampant Carroll alongside the Uruguayan up front could be the difference between the club as a true Premier League force once again next season and another campaign of nothing more than regret and bitter disappointment.
 
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