The Liverpool Thread

[Scouseinthehouse]

well if you keep it as thay won it while still at the club then yes 7

There was also the great American boxer Joe Louis who signed for a day.

That's another World Champion strictly speaking right?

And Houllier, being as Jacquet credited him with masterminding France '98 and made sure he got a medal.

The list is growing ha ha.

 

[PatrickLFC]

I suppose the Copa America striker further demonstrates that Higuain, whilst a great striker on his day, does not show up on big occasions. I would be wary about splashing 30m+ on him

 

[LFCMarshall]

I wonder what Raheem Sterling will do if this Pogba move to Man City does actually happen.. I'm not so sure City will be willing to pay £120mil on two players with other areas possibly in need of strengthening as well

It is not going to happen, but should Sterling suddenly have a change of heart - or be made to stay, our attacking options (once we add a striker) are looking fantastic

 

[damola3]

I suppose the Copa America striker further demonstrates that Higuain, whilst a great striker on his day, does not show up on big occasions. I would be wary about splashing 30m+ on him

That's very harsh. He's a proven world class striker. He has zero to prove because of one or two Copa America misses. I bet that if he signs for an English club, it's the overrated Diego Costa world cup flip all over again. It's laughable how he turns from World class into an overrated flop in one game.

 

[LFCMarshall]

That's very harsh. He's a proven world class striker. He has zero to prove because of one or two Copa America misses. I bet that if he signs for an English club, it's the overrated Diego Costa world cup flip all over again. It's laughable how he turns from World class into an overrated flop in one game.

He can go missing in games, but that's part of parcel of being a striker sometimes.. His goal record is very good though

107 in 190 at Madrid
35 in 69 at Napoli

Both better than a 1 in 2 ratio

 

[sunilvk7]

That's very harsh. He's a proven world class striker. He has zero to prove because of one or two Copa America misses. I bet that if he signs for an English club, it's the overrated Diego Costa world cup flip all over again. It's laughable how he turns from World class into an overrated flop in one game.

Higuain is not world class. He scores goals but if anyone justifies big game bottler tag then it's Higuain.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

I suppose the Copa America striker further demonstrates that Higuain, whilst a great striker on his day, does not show up on big occasions. I would be wary about splashing 30m+ on him

Higuain is not world class. He scores goals but if anyone justifies big game bottler tag then it's Higuain.

Absolutely.

I'm also VERY wary of putting the tall, rangier South American forwards in the unique, physical, 100 mile an hour English game. The one's that have had the real success over here are the smaller, stout, stockier ones like Tevez, Augero and Suarez. Players who can take it and still have the burning desire to be the very best. Players like Angel, Crespo and just last season (even taking into account the injury, I don't think he's suited to the English game at all), Falcao look a pale shadow of what they have in other leagues better suited to their skills.

People just think if you spend big on a guy that's had success elsewhere he should be a success here without taking into account if he'll fit in the unique English game that really is like nowhere else in the planet. And managers and 'star name' hungry chairman/ owners are as much to blame as fans for that in a lot of cases.

 

[damola3]

He can go missing in games, but that's part of parcel of being a striker sometimes.. His goal record is very good though

107 in 190 at Madrid
35 in 69 at Napoli

Both better than a 1 in 2 ratio

Higuain is not world class. He scores goals but if anyone justifies big game bottler tag then it's Higuain.

I've never heard of a striker that scores over 1 in 2, that isn't world class. He has proven much more than Costa, who's considered world class. Against a 2-3 bad big games over the past 5 years of his career prove nothing. I bet that if he hadn't had a poor game yesterday, his class wouldn't be disputed. Over 1 in 2 in Serie A and La Liga I'd a world class return. He wouldn't have played at Real Madrid if he wasn't. People were saying the same thing about 'overrated' Costa since the world cup, however his goal return over the season proves how illogical it would be to judge him over a few games.

 

[damola3]

Absolutely.

I'm also VERY wary of putting the tall, rangier South American forwards in the unique, physical, 100 mile an hour English game. The one's that have had the real success over here are the smaller, stout, stockier ones like Tevez, Augero and Suarez. Players who can take it and still have the burning desire to be the very best. Players like Angel, Crespo and just last season (even taking into account the injury, I don't think he's suited to the English game at all), Falcao look a pale shadow of what they have in other leagues better suited to their skills.

People just think if you spend big on a guy that's had success elsewhere he should be a success here without taking into account if he'll fit in the unique English game that really is like nowhere else in the planet. And managers and 'star name' hungry chairman/ owners are as much to blame as fans for that in a lot of cases.

The flop tag is rediculous. These days, as the world and football become more globalised, the style of league's is becoming close and closer. When was the last time that a foreign import had flopped in the English game? This isn't the Arsenal/United premier league era, where foreign imports can be an unknown quantity. The 'can he cope in the premier league' question is a decade old. Angel Di Maria has only had one season under his belt and he's hardly a flop. He's had one of the highest numbers of assists in the league this season. Falcao is another bad example, as he'd just come back from an ACL injury and he was a risk for any club.

 

[Subtle]

I've never heard of a striker that scores over 1 in 2, that isn't world class.

Gignac is world class? Charlie Austin is world class? Berahino is almost world class? Franco De Santo, Aubameyang, Sakho, Cisse, Maxi Lopez, all world class or there abouts?

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

I've never heard of a striker that scores over 1 in 2, that isn't world class. He has proven much more than Costa, who's considered world class. Against a 2-3 bad big games over the past 5 years of his career prove nothing. I bet that if he hadn't had a poor game yesterday, his class wouldn't be disputed. Over 1 in 2 in Serie A and La Liga I'd a world class return. He wouldn't have played at Real Madrid if he wasn't. People were saying the same thing about 'overrated' Costa since the world cup, however his goal return over the season proves how illogical it would be to judge him over a few games.

'World class' is so flippantly thrown around today.

Someone 'World class' to me is a difference maker. Someone that gives you that something extra to pull you through when the chips are down. Often in the biggest of big games. Someone that has a great overall scoring record, but doesn't do that when it REALLY counts; is a very good player but not top bracket IMHO.

Let's flip it for an example ..... You're an Arsenal fan. Is Mesut Ozil 'World Class?'

Because to me, he's FAR from that. Yeah, he has top echelon technical ability. And when he's on his game, he can be devastating. But those games are few and far between and when you pay over £40 million for a player you want him to be the one that takes you over the edge and makes the key difference. Aside from his **** poor goals and assists return, Arsenal are not that much different if any from before they signed him. Still a long ways short of the league and still crashing out of Europe the first knock-out round. And for all the hype he gets, that has the German down as a 'World class' footballer; that's a shockingly poor return for your money.

And that's not an attack on Arsenal before you go getting all defensive again. Just using him as a perfect example of how flippantly 'World class' is bestowed on players in this day and age who patently aren't World class difference makers at the highest level.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

The flop tag is rediculous. These days, as the world and football become more globalised, the style of league's is becoming close and closer. When was the last time that a foreign import had flopped in the English game? This isn't the Arsenal/United premier league era, where foreign imports can be an unknown quantity. The 'can he cope in the premier league' question is a decade old. Angel Di Maria has only had one season under his belt and he's hardly a flop. He's had one of the highest numbers of assists in the league this season. Falcao is another bad example, as he'd just come back from an ACL injury and he was a risk for any club.

Your idea of what you should expect for £60 million and mine are WORLDS apart.

 

[sunilvk7]

I've never heard of a striker that scores over 1 in 2, that isn't world class. He has proven much more than Costa, who's considered world class. Against a 2-3 bad big games over the past 5 years of his career prove nothing. I bet that if he hadn't had a poor game yesterday, his class wouldn't be disputed. Over 1 in 2 in Serie A and La Liga I'd a world class return. He wouldn't have played at Real Madrid if he wasn't. People were saying the same thing about 'overrated' Costa since the world cup, however his goal return over the season proves how illogical it would be to judge him over a few games.

Do you think Di Natale is world class player? In the last 5 years his record rivals any player not named Messi and Ronaldo.
Icardi has 1 in 2 ratio for Inter, he is not world class. If you consider Hernandez mins per goal, he averages around 1 in 2 games. Still he is not world class.

Suarez, Aguero, Ibra, Tevez, Costa, Rooney, Benzema, Neymar, Lewandowski are all better than him and that's just from top of my head, didn't even search for names.

 

[LFCMarshall]

Gignac is world class? Charlie Austin is world class? Berahino is almost world class? Franco De Santo, Aubameyang, Sakho, Cisse, Maxi Lopez, all world class or there abouts?

I'm not saying Higuain is world class, but nearly all of those players mentioned do not have a consistent 1 in 2 record and most dont have a single 1 in 2 record...

 

[sunilvk7]

Your idea of what you should expect for £60 million and mine are WORLDS apart.

But that doesn't mean he can't or won't deliver this season. For someone who moans a lot about Sky generation and twitter, you write off players so easily and early.

 

[LFCMarshall]

But that doesn't mean he can't or won't deliver this season. For someone who moans a lot about Sky generation and twitter, you write off players so easily and early.

If he stays i expect Di Maria to turn it around this season because he is a genuine world class player - But for 60million you would have expected a contribution of the highest quality regularly

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

But that doesn't mean he can't or won't deliver this season. For someone who moans a lot about Sky generation and twitter, you write off players so easily and early.

It doesn't that is true. But we can only go on what's actually happened to date.

Rightly or wrongly, when you pay that amount of money for a player, he HAS to produce and consistently be the key difference maker.

It will be interesting to see how he does the second season. I personally don't think he's suited to our game. Fantastic ability up there with anyone. But the wrong league. The same way I always loved Aimar at Valencia. But wouldn't of brought him over here in a million years.

Be interesting to see how it plays out the second season.

 

[sunilvk7]

If he stays i expect Di Maria to turn it around this season because he is a genuine world class player - But for 60million you would have expected a contribution of the highest quality regularly

I don't expect him to play like a 60 Million player because he isn't. For me only Ronaldo and Messi are, rest are just overpriced. But if he can play like he did in his first few games then I would be very happy with him. He was excellent.

 

[LFCMarshall]

I don't expect him to play like a 60 Million player because he isn't. For me only Ronaldo and Messi are, rest are just overpriced. But if he can play like he did in his first few games then I would be very happy with him. He was excellent.

That's true.. There are very little true value for money deals out there now and that's only going to continue.

Di Maria was overpriced, but he is the type of player that can change the game on his own and if he does return to the form of the beginning of the season United will be a completely different team

 

[sunilvk7]

It doesn't that is true. But we can only go on what's actually happened to date.

That doesn't make it right. There are many players who started slowly in the league before making huge strides.