The Liverpool Thread

[Tyton]

Can't blame people for wanting to make money, period. As much as footballers like to bullshit about passion for the game, playing for the fans, wanting to win trophies, at the end being a footballer is a job. You move where the money is.

 

[ImAddicted]

So what happened to Teixeria moving to a higher profile league for a potential call for Brazil? Does playing in China actually nullify his chances or increase them?

 

[LFCMarshall]

If you didn't make an acceptable offer to the club you can't blame the player for moving to side that has.

Can't blame people for wanting to make money, period. As much as footballers like to bullshit about passion for the game, playing for the fans, wanting to win trophies, at the end being a footballer is a job. You move where the money is.

I can blame the player for having little to no ambition though.

This doesn't have anything to do with him not moving to Liverpool (We chose not to pay it, Jiangsu have), it's the fact the player was suggesting the reason for the move was to gain international recognition and playing in the Premier League.

Just like Jackson Martinez, unless he moves quickly it's his career in terms of success on the pitch over.

As a player I would always want to try and improve myself and this move is purely financial. Let's be honest, moving to Liverpool, Chelsea or any other club, he wouldn't have been on a small salary would he?

 

[Mike.]

I understand the move on Shakthar's side, that was the price and you never even came close to hitting it. Not sure I understand it on his side though. Someone would have triggered that in the summer.

 

[Mike.]

That said, this isn't about the modern player, been happening for decades. China is just a different location offering the same historical thing.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

If you didn't make an acceptable offer to the club you can't blame the player for moving to side that has.

Can't blame people for wanting to make money, period. As much as footballers like to bullshit about passion for the game, playing for the fans, wanting to win trophies, at the end being a footballer is a job. You move where the money is.

26. Prime of your career. Desperate to break into the Brazil side for the next World Cup (quite possibly your last chance of that.). And you disappear into obscurity in China.

Nope, can't blame someone already on riches the majority can only dream about who would of increased those in Europe for chasing the new Chinese money. What a fantastic pro

 

[LFCMarshall]

I understand the move on Shakthar's side, that was the price and you never even came close to hitting it. Not sure I understand it on his side though. Someone would have triggered that in the summer.

That said, this isn't about the modern player, been happening for decades. China is just a different location offering the same historical thing.

Certainly from Shakthar's side it is a no-brainer, but it is such a strange decision from the player himself.

 

[Mike.]

26. Prime of your career. Desperate to break into the Brazil side for the next World Cup (quite possibly your last chance of that.). And you disappear into obscurity in China.

Nope, can't blame someone already on riches the majority can only dream about who would of increased those in Europe for chasing the new Chinese money. What a fantastic pro

Nothing new from the last 40 years. Chasing the money won't make him any less a pro. Won't stop him playing for Brazil either.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

What can you do, modern football is not a "people's game" anymore.....

I think our supporters union in particular has shown that if you stick together, you can do a lot. Just ask the previous owners and the major part we played in their demise. The concerted campaign against the sponsorship money makers, embarrassing Standard Chartered in particular, was just one example of that.

And we've seen more and more over the last few years supporters Country wide uniting for demo's as more and more get it ripped away from them every year by outright greed.

The new mega buck TV deal, allied to continued avarice against fans when there is absolutely no need or justification, may well be the straw that breaks the camels back in England.

Enough is ENOUGH.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Nothing new from the last 40 years. Chasing the money won't make him any less a pro. Won't stop him playing for Brazil either.

Chasing money is nottin' new it's true.

Disappearing off the football landscape in a Country like China certainly is in the prime of your career. If he's not getting picked for Brazil in the Ukraine, good luck getting in in China, who are never going to rival what they think they will no matter how much money they pump into it.

Like you said, if this goes through, to Shaktar it's just a business transaction to what they wanted.

It puts the player though, and the likes of Martinez, in a whole other light. And not a good one IMHO.

 

[Mike.]

Chasing money is nottin' new it's true.

Disappearing off the football landscape in a Country like China certainly is in the prime of your career. If he's not getting picked for Brazil in the Ukraine, good luck getting in in China, who are never going to rival what they think they will no matter how much money they pump into it.

Like you said, if this goes through, to Shaktar it's just a business transaction to what they wanted.

It puts the player though, and the likes of Martinez, in a whole other light. And not a good one IMHO.

Italians said the same about England in the 90s tbf.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Italians said the same about England in the 90s tbf.

Oh come on mate, there's no comparison there at all.

We're a long standing, major football player when it comes to club football.

China on the other hand .....


I'm not even bothered that we didn't get him. That's in part down to ourselves. In part down to dealing with the Ukrainians. That's now dead and I never expected us to be back in for him the summer. But I don't understand, outside of money being the overriding thing to him, why the player himself would want to in effect disappear off the footballing landscape in such an embryonic league. He'd of gotten his big European move the summer as you noted.

 

[Mike.]

Oh come on mate, there's no comparison there at all.

We're a long standing, major football player when it comes to club football.

China on the other hand .....


I'm not even bothered that we didn't get him. That's in part down to ourselves. In part down to dealing with the Ukrainians. That's now dead and I never expected us to be back in for him the summer. But I don't understand, outside of money being the overriding thing to him, why the player himself would want to in effect disappear off the footballing landscape in such an embryonic league. He'd of gotten his big European move the summer as you noted.

China are the new moneyed frontier. Let's not kid ourselves. We might have a storied history, but many came for the money, and still do.

 

[lxl Ra lxl]

If the Brazil NT is all about the sponsors choosing the team it might actually be a good decision for him. China is the new market to conquer and having a superstar player, Brazil('s shirt) will be a lot more popular in China. Also I would think it's not bad living in China as a superstar.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

..... I'm not even bothered that we didn't get him. That's in part down to ourselves. In part down to dealing with the Ukrainians. That's now dead and I never expected us to be back in for him the summer.....

All the above said you do get sick of all the continued outright lies. Not that they're anything new either, but every time it happens you lose a little more faith with anything most say in the game:

Alex Teixeira on January 23: "I want to play in the Premier League... My aim is to move to a big club and get a place in the Brazil squad"

Alex Teixeira on January 23: “It is my desire to move to a big league and I know that the English league is very strong."

Shakhtar just last week "we'll sell only at the end of the season."

Shakhtar coach Lucescu on Teixeira yesterday: "The lad’s not going anywhere. He’s staying with us until the end of the season"

Shakhtar coach Lucescu on Alex Teixeira yesterday: “I am not aware of any negotiations with Chinese clubs – they are just the usual rumours"


Now he goes to China of all places for a reported £38.4 million. As much as we didn't help ourselves with the initial offer, and I'm the very last person to defend Ayre; it's not hard to see all the mixed messages we've gotten through the negotiations.

 

[LFCMarshall]

It's not confirmed as of yet (even though i expect it to be), but it seems very strange as to why Shakhtar included him in their Europa League squad last night

 

[PatrickLFC]

Some reports are saying it's a done deal, but so far as I can tell it's only that Shakhtar have accepted the offer. He still has to agree personal terms, and there's a chance he'd rather wait for a better move in July

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Some reports are saying it's a done deal, but so far as I can tell it's only that Shakhtar have accepted the offer. He still has to agree personal terms, and there's a chance he'd rather wait for a better move in July

Reports flying around of £200 K a week AFTER tax.

So if there's any modicum of truth in that he'll be signing and there's the reason why.

 

[LFCMarshall]

Reports flying around of £200 K a week AFTER tax.

So if there's any modicum of truth in that he'll be signing and there's the reason why.

10mil a year making him roughly the tenth highest paid player in the world is what i keep seeing

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

10mil a year making him roughly the tenth highest paid player in the world is what i keep seeing

Staggering.

And I aren't naive enough to not understand why most would jump at that if it was offered to them. But it still makes a complete mockery of all he's publicly said and how he values his career.