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Remarkable stat...

According to @Squawka estimations- Mignolet has in fact cost Liverpool FIFTEEN points this season. Absurd. #lfc

12 of the last 15 shots I think it is on our goal have gone in. Kind of dispels the myth he's a great shot stopper huh?

Just watched Sunderland's goals. Terrible wall on the free kick. But then he's the one who set's that up, And he shouldn't get beat the near post to such a tame effort. Second goal was on Sakho for more real poor defending from him. But Mingolet was at fault the first and I presume, like you alluded to, that changed the last 10 in a game we we're coasting in when I left.
 
We need to sell Mignolet in the next transfer window. He`s not a good enough, too many goals is his fault. He makes error after error, if we want to play in the Champions League we need a world-class goalie. Mignolet is not a poor goalie, but his just not good enough for Liverpool.
 
Seriously can't believe some of the absolute garbage, to be polite, on twitter over the walkout. Not from other clubs fans, who are in the main supportive. But from so called Reds. If I had a penny for how many times I've read tonight 'It's utterly pointless/ You deserted the team and cost them three points/ If you don't like it you don't have to pay it' et all.

It just ..... sighs. SO many of our fan base still need seriously educating on what really matters. Thankfully, there's MANY more this time round that don't and are prepared to stand up as one and fight. I shouldn't even be bothered by the ridiculousness (still being polite) of the twitter hoards. Not that any vindication for standing up for your fellow fan is needed, but the big media coverage both sides of the Atlantic/ club legends like Roy Evans and Jamie Carragher in full support/ the club captain adding his backing/ MOTD fully backing the walkout at the start of this campaign et all MORE than does that than any uneducated moron on twitter can try tear down. Just saddens you that there's Liverpool 'fans' among them spouting ****.

I wasn't going to say anything on anyone that didn't walk. A protest, however just, is up to the individual and can't be forced. And people have their own reasons for seeing the game out. Then you get to some of the comments .....

Today and going forward was nothing to do with the team and everything about the future of our game. Keep accepting it, and next time it could well be your seat that gets hiked. After reading some of the absolute **** I've been reading this evening, I hope everyone that did stay after the 77th minute felt guilty for your fellow fan.

Because you should.
 
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Still not forgotten Donetsk and their owner turning around and refusing to sign the papers after we'd met the release clause they put into his contract on the winger who's name escapes me. That one beggared even more belief that they could get away with it.

This one was actually Dnipro, not Shakhtar. Konoplyanka was the player. There is a possible parallel in that we didn't go back for him in the summer, or even on a free a year later, and similarly, if Teixeira had stayed with Shakhtar I'm not entirely convinced we would have gone for him at the end of the season anyway.
 
This one was actually Dnipro, not Shakhtar. Konoplyanka was the player. There is a possible parallel in that we didn't go back for him in the summer, or even on a free a year later, and similarly, if Teixeira had stayed with Shakhtar I'm not entirely convinced we would have gone for him at the end of the season anyway.

Dnipro yep. Knew it was a D when I was trying to distinguish. Brain blank.

Ta.
 
Fantastic to read such a positive media response this morning to yesterdays events both sides of the Atlantic and around Europe. Not that it was needed, but that MORE than justify's making a stand.

15,000 walking man in three short days. Staggering. In the same way we've stood up and fought the highest powers in the land for the past going on 27 years to get justice for our dead, I'm not sure that happens at any other club or in any other City.

Proudest I've been at a match all season.

Boston, the ball is in your court. Enough is ENOUGH!
 
On the pitch, can we see Danny Ward at West Ham please.

Pretty please?

I am REALLY not sure why he was even bought back if it was to sit on the bench the rest of the season. It's not as if the keeper in front of him is keeping him out is it?
 
I am REALLY not sure why he was even bought back if it was to sit on the bench the rest of the season. It's not as if the keeper in front of him is keeping him out is it?

Never understood why he didn't at least play the first game against West Ham. Scotland might not be a great standard, but at least he was getting regular first team football and playing well. You presume he was brought back so Klopp could properly evaluate him up close to see if he does have what it takes to be a part the first team squad next year. But how do you do that if you don't see him in competitive first team action?

To a wider point, I actually think he's missing a great opportunity here to blood the best of the youth in the league and have a serious look at them. The top 4's all but dead with our horrendous recent run. He's under zero pressure in what is ostensibly an evaluation year, coming in as late as he did and working with players that he didn't sign. And he has the full backing and love of most everyone so very few would moan if he did take a look at the likes of Ward, Smith, Branigan, Ojo and Teixeira in place of the continued mediocrity in most of the senior players.

I really hope he's not fallen into the need/ pressure so many do here of having to get results so he feels he has to play the established guys because he's really not under that.

It'll be a sad opportunity missed if that's the case because rarely has a L'pool manager in the Premier League era had that love from most everyone and been afforded that opportunity to play the youth without any worries of much criticism.
 
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Never understood why he didn't at least play the first game against West Ham. Scotland might not be a great standard, but at least he was getting regular first team football and playing well. You presume he was brought back so Klopp could properly evaluate him up close to see if he does have what it takes to be a part the first team squad next year. But how do you do that if you don't see him in competitive first team action?

To a wider point, I actually think he's missing a great opportunity here to blood the best of the youth in the league and have a serious look at them. The top 4's all but dead with our horrendous recent run. He's under zero pressure in what is ostensibly an evaluation year, coming in as late as he did and working with players that he didn't sign. And he has the full backing and love of most everyone so very few would moan if he did take a look at the likes of Ward, Smith, Branigan, Ojo and Teixeira in place of the continued mediocrity in most of the senior players.

I really hope he's not fallen into the need/ pressure so many do here of having to get results so he feels he has to play the established guys because he's really not under that.

It'll be a sad opportunity missed if that's the case because rarely has a L'pool manager in the Premier League era had that love from most everyone and been afforded that opportunity to play the youth without any worries of much criticism.

It's a tough balancing act... There is a chance to blood the youngsters, but then there is a chance that in return we continue to fall down the table

We are already on the cusp of our worst ever finish in the Premier League - A record I am sure Klopp would not want to oversee.

Despite it not being his squad, he will have to take some blame because it has been terrible this season
 
It's a tough balancing act... There is a chance to blood the youngsters, but then there is a chance that in return we continue to fall down the table

We are already on the cusp of our worst ever finish in the Premier League - A record I am sure Klopp would not want to oversee.

Despite it not being his squad, he will have to take some blame because it has been terrible this season

Not saying put them all in at once but the opportunity's there to be playing them without much rebuke if it went the other way from many fans. It just seems the best opportunity any Liverpool manager has had in years to experiment and see if these boys are good enough to be part of the first team squad going forward.

I'll reserve judgement on how good or bad this year has been. The league's been terrible. But then he could be winning a trophy in three weeks time after a little over 4 months with someone else's team and a horrendous injury list to boot which would be a marvellous start.

And IF Sturridge is finally on the comeback trail, and we start scoring goals, everything flips again.

I very much doubt we finish any lower than our worst PL 8th. (We were in a worse position under Souness one early Premier League year and suddenly bounced from 14th to 5th I think it was the last month of the season. And this leagues that poor and tight a few consecutive results could see a similar jump for anyone.). But even if we did the point is he'd still get pretty much a pass from most supporters because of the circumstances. And if there's silverware too even more of one.

The media would spout their bollocks and other fans would mock without the context but who cares about them?
 
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At least give Ward and Smith a chance, Mignolet may have caused us to drop 15 points but Moreno hasn't helped, not defensively anyway. Poor from Mignolet for their free kick but it was another reckless challenge from Moreno on the edge of our box!

Would also like to see Teixeira and Ojo given a run out. Too many hard working runners in midfield, that seemingly don't have the intelligence off the ball to make runs, along with a real lack of creativity atm.
 
At least give Ward and Smith a chance, Mignolet may have caused us to drop 15 points but Moreno hasn't helped, not defensively anyway. Poor from Mignolet for their free kick but it was another reckless challenge from Moreno on the edge of our box!

Would also like to see Teixeira and Ojo given a run out. Too many hard working runners in midfield, that seemingly don't have the intelligence off the ball to make runs, along with a real lack of creativity atm.

Agreed, those would be the four I would be tempted to try out.

Ojo more than any I think can give us something a little different in attack
 
Not Liverpool but still relevant in general, particularly given the offhanded way some people were dismissing Leicester a few days ago, saying they were "average" and that we should be beating them. They are better than us. Fact. They deserve to be challenging for the title, and I hope they win it!

As usual, Carra hits the nail on the head

Leicester City can win the Premier League this season... so show them more respect | Daily Mail Online

I'll pass as I don't like giving that rag clicks if I can help it, but the bolded struck me.

Not that anyone specifically said that, but you don't think we should be beating teams like Leicester irrespective of the marvellous season they're having and the poor one we are?
 
I'll pass as I don't like giving that rag clicks if I can help it, but the bolded struck me.

Not that anyone specifically said that, but you don't think we should be beating teams like Leicester irrespective of the marvellous season they're having and the poor one we are?

Surely the team in 1st is favourite over the team in 9th in February irrespective of where people thought that they would finish
 
As good as Leicester have been, a lot of their side is mid-table and even lower standard... The emergence of Mahrez and Vardy has built on the solid base they already had, and the purchase of N'golo Kante has helped them even further.

This season Leciester have been better than us - but would I swap teams? Absolutely not.
 
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