The Liverpool Thread

[Subtle]

You are a very bitter little man Sir.

And one who leaves the title 'football fan' with a LOT to be desired.

No, I just know the kind of people that will have devised, refined then implemented this move. I work with them when I write copy and press releases, and against them when I'm doing investigative journalism. I see them a lot and am, for better or for worse, fairly immersed in their social and professional world. Which is why it's not bitterness, just realism about how these things work. There are exceptionally well paid people whose entire job it is to manipulate and to massage the truth. If you think your club, my club or pretty much any club of standing doesn't employ them then you're sadly mistaken. The thing is, you don't even need that sort of specialist for something like this, it's a classic. Politicians make great use of it for example. Say you'll only let 100 refugees in-> wait for public outrage-> let 1000 in just as you had always intended-> look like you're both tough on immigration and still compassionate/willing to compromise-> reap the benefits.

 

[Tezzz]

You are a very bitter little man Sir.

And one who leaves the title 'football fan' with a LOT to be desired.

Any news on the Wembley Ballot? It's two ******* weeks away how do they expect me to sort travel arrangements!!

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

No, I just know the kind of people that will have devised, refined then implemented this move. I work with them when I write copy and press releases, and against them when I'm doing investigative journalism. I see them a lot and am, for better or for worse, fairly immersed in their social and professional world. Which is why it's not bitterness, just realism about how these things work. There are exceptionally well paid people whose entire job it is to manipulate and to massage the truth. If you think your club, my club or pretty much any club of standing doesn't employ them then you're sadly mistaken. The thing is, you don't even need that sort of specialist for something like this, it's a classic.

VERY bitter. And even more cynical.

You've just seen 'realism' in action. An unprecedented climb down from an ownership and public apology to jib £2 million that they were gonna' make off the support. But we're just being 'manipulated.' Everything we stood up for we got. The club NOT making ANY more profit out of fans. They aren't gaining ANYTHING from the supporters. From £2 million to nothing. THAT was the main crux. But we're 'forgetting' the current prices. If they just wanted to play a smoke and mirrors game they'd of just scrapped the plans they had without the unprecedented VERY public climbdown and apology.

And if you happen to come to Anfield any time soon, thank us for doing away with categorisation so Chelsea fans won't be skanked more than the majority of other fans as you'll ALL pay the same.

But stick with the boneheads who don't realise this wasn't about Liverpool fans. It was about EVERY football fan.

We'll sit happy that we've created something that has NEVER happened before through sheer fan power of doing what was right for their fellow fan.

 

[epic terrorist]

As a football fan I am totally behind and believe in what you guys was protesting against, we are at a tipping point and as a fan or more importantly a match going fan this news is important because once one club reaches a say 100 pound tickets they will become common place and there will be no way back.

But and this is a massive but

As someone who is fairly cynical, has a degree in psychology and studied media psychology at length, I am in agreement with Subtle, in essence when you look at it objectively it is either no victory or somewhat very small because you have actually kept the status quo and the prices stay the same (which to me seem high as it is 59 quid that is a lot, out of interest what is the cheapest ticket or average ticket price Tezz/scouse know you guys go regular?).

A real victory imo at least is they would have been reduced, I think Marshall mentioned that the increased profits would be 2 million? you cannot buy this kind of good publicity and good feeling in the fan base for that much. We will never knw but I really would not be surprised at all if this was all concocted in the PR department and boardroom.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Any news on the Wembley Ballot? It's two ******* weeks away how do they expect me to sort travel arrangements!!

Only got our tickets today mate on the first day of sale. (Still one short which is creating a massive headache.).

What was the ballot? 5th wave? What's that? Next Tuesday?

 

[Subtle]

As a football fan I am totally behind and believe in what you guys was protesting against, we are at a tipping point and as a fan or more importantly a match going fan this news is important because once one club reaches a say 100 pound tickets they will become common place and there will be no way back.

They definitely did the right thing. Some groups are so apathetic that they will get absolutely walked over even when things are absurd. Politics in the UK right now being a great example of that. They absolutely should be protesting the clear and outrageous attack on them.

Just a shame they can't see the less obvious threats.

 

[Subtle]

VERY bitter. And even more cynical.
[...]

Cynical perhaps, but how bitter? Genuinely curious.

 

[epic terrorist]

They definitely did the right thing. Some groups are so apathetic that they will get absolutely walked over even when things are absurd. Politics in the UK right now being a great example of that. They absolutely should be protesting the clear and outrageous attack on them.

Just a shame they can't see the less obvious threats.

The political landscape and some of the rhetoric that is going on right now is insane, but you are right that people just don't see it, and I think htat is more scary

 

[ajt09]

I genuinely don't understand why you'd think Subtle is bitter? If someone has a valuable insight into how these things happen behind the scenes, I'd welcome their knowledge as preparation for what could happen further down the road. That's how I see it. I mean obviously the football fan would support these protests, but at the same time I'd also find it out of place how they backed down so readily and quickly. All he is trying to point out is the fact these sort of people are paid to manipulate us and just be cautious.

There's absolutely no bitterness involved at all-just being cautious

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

As a football fan I am totally behind and believe in what you guys was protesting against, we are at a tipping point and as a fan or more importantly a match going fan this news is important because once one club reaches a say 100 pound tickets they will become common place and there will be no way back.

But and this is a massive but

As someone who is fairly cynical, has a degree in psychology and studied media psychology at length, I am in agreement with Subtle, in essence when you look at it objectively it is either no victory or somewhat very small because you have actually kept the status quo and the prices stay the same (which to me seem high as it is 59 quid that is a lot, out of interest what is the cheapest ticket or average ticket price Tezz/scouse know you guys go regular?).

A real victory imo at least is they would have been reduced, I think Marshall mentioned that the increased profits would be 2 million? you cannot buy this kind of good publicity and good feeling in the fan base for that much. We will never knw but I really would not be surprised at all if this was all concocted in the PR department and boardroom.

That would be relative as to what is agreed on now categorisation is gone so the answer to the bolded is still to be determined.

But prices have gone down. That's in FSG's apology and is bang centre in the above in the abolition of categorisation.

They've gone from proposing to making money out of the fans to losing some on GAP.

But we're apparently being sidetracked by certain price freezes so ignore us.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

I genuinely don't understand why you'd think Subtle is bitter? If someone has a valuable insight into how these things happen behind the scenes, I'd welcome their knowledge as preparation for what could happen further down the road. That's how I see it. I mean obviously the football fan would support these protests, but at the same time I'd also find it out of place how they backed down so readily and quickly. All he is trying to point out is the fact these sort of people are paid to manipulate us and just be cautious.

There's absolutely no bitterness involved at all-just being caustious

And if you've read his tone on this the past few days as that then he should join the great perceived Boston PR machine. (Aside from ignoring aspects of what's just happened that, apparently, 'haven't.').


But hey, I'm stupidly getting caught up trying to explain and defend something that doesn't need defending. The unprecedented results speak for themselves.

 

[Mike.]

I genuinely don't understand why you'd think Subtle is bitter? If someone has a valuable insight into how these things happen behind the scenes, I'd welcome their knowledge as preparation for what could happen further down the road. That's how I see it. I mean obviously the football fan would support these protests, but at the same time I'd also find it out of place how they backed down so readily and quickly. All he is trying to point out is the fact these sort of people are paid to manipulate us and just be cautious.

There's absolutely no bitterness involved at all-just being cautious

Well said, It's a really bizarre accusation tbh.

A similar example today was a headline "United act against fan fears by freezing prices"

Nope, United have frozen prices for the last 4 years. They arent going up with is good, but they've not exactly slashed them either.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

..... A similar example today was a headline "United act against fan fears by freezing prices"

Nope, United have frozen prices for the last 4 years. They arent going up with is good, but they've not exactly slashed them either.

Did you just try compare an ownership completely backtracking and going from making money over supporters to losing some to a club freezing prices?

 

[Tezzz]

Only got our tickets today mate on the first day of sale. (Still one short which is creating a massive headache.).

What was the ballot? 5th wave? What's that? Next Tuesday?

Return tickets on the train are over £80 at the moment so I'm panicking.

 

[Tezzz]

Only got our tickets today mate on the first day of sale. (Still one short which is creating a massive headache.).

What was the ballot? 5th wave? What's that? Next Tuesday?

Ballot is 5th sale. No date given, but the 4th sale is on Monday so hopefully have an answer by Tuesday.

If someone has a valuable insight into how these things happen behind the scenes, I'd welcome their knowledge as preparation for what could happen further down the road.

Unless they've got a PhD in being a Football Club owner than I don't really see how they'd have a valuable insight.

 

[Dannybell2011]

Return tickets on the train are over £80 at the moment so I'm panicking.

im having an heart attack also over this train is more than the ticket

 

[PatrickLFC]

But we aren't about the 'I'm alright Jack' attitude which has been the crux of most of the absolutely disgraceful social media comments. ('Stop moaning. Get educated, get a better job and you can pay the money' was my favourite.).

This made me laugh, reminded me of politics over here. House prices in Sydney are going through the roof, it's ridiculous, and one politician was saying "If young people want to own their own house here in Sydney, then they need to get a good job that pays good money".

Yeah because it's just that simple, and a man on an exorbitant salary plus government support for the rest of his life would understand

 

[mersk]

I mean obviously the football fan would support these protests, but at the same time I'd also find it out of place how they backed down so readily and quickly.

And if they hadn't "backed down so readily and quickly", then what? Part of the act? Legit? How do you differentiate between them? Is it just down to what you feel like? What makes sense in your own head?

Or if they even refused to back down at all, then what? Outright greed? Failure to compromise with the fans? Culture clash? Or just some even more advanced PR-scheme that would go on for even longer, in order to achieve some grand master plan in the end, Illuminati style?

All he is trying to point out is the fact these sort of people are paid to manipulate us and just be cautious.

There's absolutely no bitterness involved at all-just being cautious

I'm not saying there aren't people like that out there. But as someone who studies conspiracy theories, there's a fine line between being cautious and being paranoid.

 

[ajt09]

Don't even get me started on conspiracy theories...............

Been around more tin foil hat wearers than I care to mention and some of them I have to put up with

 

[mersk]

Don't even get me started on conspiracy theories...............

Been around more tin foil hat wearers than I care to mention and some of them I have to put up with

Yes, well, that's just the stereotype. You don't have to be a David Icke fan in order to believe in some conspiracy theory, or even to let your caution turn into paranoia.