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Scouseinthehouse said:
If next season’s anything different than City and L’pool battling it out for the title like this one z I’ll be majorly surprised personally.

Chelsea should be better year 2 of Sari but thats a big gap to bridge. Tottenham are Tottenham. Always will have been. Always will be. And anyone else is just trying to restablish themselves in the top 4. I caught your post the PL thread bud and you’re setting yourself up for disappointment mate if you aren’t prepared to do this in stages. This is fixing to be two straight years of 19/20 plus points away from the title. That goes way beyond Mourinho. You’re a long way off City and Liverpool right now in every aspect.
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Exactly United have proved that you can't just throw money at your problems and expect to resolve it. It takes time as proven with us ffs have you seen the squad Klopp had when he first started and the one he has now. It took work and a system in place to make sure recruitment was right as we can't just spend money Like City and United and expect to then try again. Before you say we spend money I'm not saying we don't I'm just saying City and United have more leeway for error with the big amounts of money they have. For me the biggest worry will be Chelsea and Spurs (if they dont lose their star players this summer). Arsenal will never challenge with Kroenke in charge and United's footballing side of management is woeful, to say the least.
 
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Scouseinthehouse said:
If next season’s anything different than City and L’pool battling it out for the title like this one z I’ll be majorly surprised personally. Regardless of any windows/ manager changes.

Chelsea should be better year 2 of Sari but thats a big gap to bridge. Tottenham are Tottenham. Always have been. Always will be. And anyone else is just trying to restablish themselves in the top 4. I caught your post the PL thread bud and you’re setting yourself up for disappointment mate if you aren’t prepared to do this in stages. This is fixing to be two straight years of 19/20 plus points away from the title. That goes way beyond Mourinho.

You’re a LONG way off City and Liverpool right now in every aspect.
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It's not the gap you think it is mate, the only thing that is really filling it is Van Dijk. Don't forget that you finished 23 points away from title last season, even further than United. Yeh don't get me wrong United need to fix one or two things, but Mourinho was the biggest and getting a DoF which is supposedly happening in time for summer.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Tottenham are Tottenham. Always have been. Always will be.
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Hahah, came earlier than expected :D

Just read your own post few rows upper about progress your team is making and it wont be madness if there will be no silverware as it is a project(but you still want it), trust club and etc.
Same talk is from Spurs fans and everyone gives them hate about it: that all progress talk is bullshit without silverware.
 
z. If you honestly think the only difference is van Dijk (not even our most important player for me. As ridiculously good as he’s been), then you honestly haven’t been paying much attention to anything going on under Klopp.
 
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zzeezzy said:
It's not the gap you think it is mate, the only thing that is really filling it is Van Dijk. Don't forget that you finished 23 points away from title last season, even further than United. Yeh don't get me wrong United need to fix one or two things, but Mourinho was the biggest and getting a DoF which is supposedly happening in time for summer.
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I respect your opinion mate but one or two things is an understatement your first team squad is pretty good on paper that is but your defense is non existant your midfield relies on Pogba turning up and upfront Lukaku ( love him as a guy) can't trap a ball to save his life. Like I said I don't doubt you will throw money once again to fix the problems but it hasnt worked for like the past couple of windows and wont work with Woodward not having a clue about the footballing side. Spurs are ****** ahead of you and who would have ever thought that in post fergie times, yous lot have been mismanaged to **** and back since he left.
 
Bujakaa92 said:
Hahah, came earlier than expected :D

Just read your own post few rows upper about progress your team is making and it wont be madness if there will be no silverware as it is a project(but you still want it), trust club and etc.
Same talk is from Spurs fans and everyone gives them hate about it: that all progress talk is bullshit without silverware.
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Short history leason for you.

Tottenham haven’t been a serious title challenger since the last time they won it in 1961. They finished third in a one horse race to Leicester ****** City for crying out loud! NOBODY outside of the written press, trying to sell papers, realistically considers this a three horse race.

Tottenham are a Cup side that continually flatter to decieve the league and F uo in the least expected places.

Thats nothing personal on Tottenham. Its just who they are. We could be sat 6 points behind ‘Spurs right now and theres still only one team your loooing to finish above to win it. City.
 
dilakh2 said:
I respect your opinion mate but one or two things is an understatement your first team squad is pretty good on paper that is but your defense is non existant your midfield relies on Pogba turning up and upfront Lukaku ( love him as a guy) can't trap a ball to save his life. Like I said I don't doubt you will throw money once again to fix the problems but it hasnt worked for like the past couple of windows and wont work with Woodward not having a clue about the footballing side. Spurs are ****** ahead of you and who would have ever thought that in post fergie times, yous lot have been mismanaged to **** and back since he left.
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And miss the CL this year and you’re shopping on a floor down.

The longer you get away from the major honours, the less attractive your name gets to todays players. We know that oniy too well.
 
United can close the gap very quickly tbh, and Chelsea are not far away. It's arsenal and Spurs that are at their glass ceilings.
 
People said United would be shopping way down. Then they got Pogba. Doesn't really change a thing. Because one season out doesn't hurt you, 3 or 4 does. Arsenal have picked up aubameyang and lacazette
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
And miss the CL this year and you’re shopping on a floor down.

The longer you get away from the major honours, the less attractive your name gets to todays players. We know that oniy too well.
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Maybe thats the case with us as we just dont have the revenue Utd or City have or the wages the pay. It just means that they will have to throw more money and more wages but the lure of playing for Utd will always be there. The truth is they can still turn it around by hiring a DOF just get Woodward away from the footballing side that way when the managers come and go you dont have to restart the footballing side of the team and go through transition after transition. God I hate that word it just reminds me of the Woy and Snake oil salesman Rodgers days.
 
I know it's the done thing in football these days to overreact hugely, but football is rarely ever that definitive
 
dilakh2 said:
I respect your opinion mate but one or two things is an understatement your first team squad is pretty good on paper that is but your defense is non existant your midfield relies on Pogba turning up and upfront Lukaku ( love him as a guy) can't trap a ball to save his life. Like I said I don't doubt you will throw money once again to fix the problems but it hasnt worked for like the past couple of windows and wont work with Woodward not having a clue about the footballing side. Spurs are ****** ahead of you and who would have ever thought that in post fergie times, yous lot have been mismanaged to **** and back since he left.
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Spurs are only ahead of us because of managers lets be honest, their squad is paper thin and he's working miracles with what he has there. Sadly same could not be said for Mourinho and his typical 3rd season meltdown where he takes a club to the ground. He done exactly the same with Chelsea and next season they won the league.

I genuinely don't believe we're far off in terms of what we have if we had a manager who knew what he was doing and tried to play the right way. Lukaku bagged 27 goals last season and was one of the better strikers at the World Cup. He has his limitations but we have Rashford who is probably best young English attacking player at the moment.

Take your point about defence but Liverpool are the shining light of what one commanding CB can do, which is what we're lacking. Lindelof was one of the better CB's at world-cup and has shown it this season as time has gone on. He just needs the right partner I'm hoping we get Koulibaly. Don't want to turn this too much into united because we're in Liverpool thread after all. But if we get that one key CB to fix the puzzle then I believe our squad has very few flaws really. Our youth is still as good as anyone so Pochettino would do wonders if we got him.

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This isn't me mocking Liverpool anyway just for the record, you've had a fantastic season up till now. But I think you're over egging (how far ahead you are) because it's only one season... Mourinho is still going down as a more successful manager at United than Klopp at Liverpool unless he wins something. The history books will show some trophies despite the terrible football Mourinho produced.
 
dilakh2 said:
Maybe thats the case with us as we just dont have the revenue Utd or City have or the wages the pay. It just means that they will have to throw more money and more wages but the lure of playing for Utd will always be there. The truth is they can still turn it around by hiring a DOF just get Woodward away from the footballing side that way when the managers come and go you dont have to restart the footballing side of the team and go through transition after transition. God I hate that word it just reminds me of the Woy and Snake oil salesman Rodgers days.
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This, in a nutshell. Even United can't do that forever either tbh, which is why Jose got sacked and they want Mitchell to come
 
dilakh2 said:
Maybe thats the case with us as we just dont have the revenue Utd or City have or the wages the pay. It just means that they will have to throw more money and more wages but the lure of playing for Utd will always be there. The truth is they can still turn it around by hiring a DOF just get Woodward away from the footballing side that way when the managers come and go you dont have to restart the footballing side of the team and go through transition after transition. God I hate that word it just reminds me of the Woy and Snake oil salesman Rodgers days.
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It was the case for most of rhe PL era.

But now wages are levelling out players are looking at the project and CL first and foremost. There’s only so much wealth you can garner. (Unless you’re a flat out greedy btard like Sanchez.).

Look at our own squad. By Mane’s own admission, he flat turned Utd down three times. Southampton wanted a bidding war on van Dijk. City and Chelsea could have blown us out of the water. No doubt Mourinho and Utd would have been front and centre too. Except he let it be known from the get-go he pnly wanted to go one way. They could all anihilate us salaey wise.

Most top players now are more about CL and the overal project as much as salary.

They miss out this year and compeating with the very too clubs becomes that much harder again.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
It was the case for most of rhe PL era.

But now wages are levelling out players are looking at the project and CL first and foremost. There’s only so much wealth you can garner. (Unless you’re a flat out greedy btard like Sanchez.).

Look at our own squad. By Mane’s own admission, he flat turned Utd down three times. Southampton wanted a bidding war on van Dijk. City and Chelsea could have blown us out of the water. No doubt Mourinho and Utd would have been front and centre too. Except he let it be known from the get-go he pnly wanted to go one way. They could all anihilate us salaey wise.

Most top players now are more about CL and the overal project as much as salary.

They miss out this year and compeating with the very too clubs becomes that much harder again.
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That's certain players though but I feel both those players signed because of the manager and in the case of VVD the manager (who despite the rules clearly tapped him up it happens but hey we can't point fingers when we done it ourselves) and were we are going as a club. Like Mike said it only becomes a problem if this continues for much longer there's only so much money you can throw at players but if you haven't been a consistent CL team you will end up shopping at a different level to your rivals.
 
Except this most top players are about the CL still hasn't borne out in reality either. And wages are absolutely not flattening out. City and Chelsea didn't want to blow you out the water, not sure why this myth persists
 
No other club had a chance to even if they’d wanted. That’s the point.

It’s leveling out in so much as I’n offering you lets say £180k a week, with a project and manager you’re comfortable with, in the CL and challenging for major honours, and x club is offering you, oh lets say another 40k basic but has none of that, players aren’t chashing the bigger wage packet.

But hey, dip out of the CL this year, six/ seven years removed from the league and over a decade the European Cup, and let’s see rhe market you’re left to shop in if you still believe money can outweigh anything.

We’ve lived it. And the parallels, including exactly what you’re saying, are uncanny. And before you know it 5 years becomes 10 becomes 15 etc. The longer you’re away from it the harder it gets from all stand points.
 
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You have to give them credit thought Scouse as they have now clocked you can't just throw money at the problem as they're chasing a DOF. Hopefully, he is Damien Comolli in disguise now that would be hilarious.
 
dilakh2 said:
You have to give them credit thought Scouse as they have now clocked you can't just throw money at the problem as they're chasing a DOF. Hopefully, he is Damien Comolli in disguise now that would be hilarious.
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I don't think we are but be funny if we appointed the supposed guy who really wants it.... 'Peter Schmeichel'.... sigh.... he has 0 credentials! I think it will probably be that Paul Mitchel from RB Leipzig.
 
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