Yep. Real had the perfect gameplan. Stay in the game and get that sucker punch goal. Once they scored I knew it was a wrap. They are the masters of slowing the game down and the dark arts.
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I don’t normally post through a euro away trip. For one, I hate typing on my moby as regular readers will know I’m not laconic when I start. Haha. And the last thing I want to be doing is typing my wham when I’m on ‘holiday.’
But I’m just that lost and in bits after tonight it seems the appropriate time. And not at losing the game. That was a complete, non event sideshow. The match honestly doesn’t matter. But the absolute disgrace and lack of ANY organisation before the game. There’s going to be a lot of ***** written and spoken blaming ’those Scousers again! ‘in the coming days. Its already started from UEFA and the French authorities with their lies to shift the blame. But nothing could be further from the truth.
We got to the ground around half 6 tonight. For a game that wasn’t scheduled to kick off until 9. And the lack of ANY organisation after the first check point was immediately apparent around the turnstiles. The disorganised queue was lengthy at that time. And wasn’t moving. All leading to ONE small gete that led through to the actual turnstiles. And, naturally, the longer you were in it, the more congested it got. There wasn’t ONE steward or police outside to organise the building mass. And I won’t lie. It was scary as F. And I was personally really struggling ….. I’ve deleted this 5 times now as I’m struggling to convey my feelings ….. I was getting flashbacks to Sheffield. And I couldn’t get out as you were stuck in the throng. Panic doesn’t begin to describe the emotions but you have to hold it together for everyone elses sake around you. And when you have a crowd like that, frustrated, with the kick off fast approaching (we were still outside going on an hour and a half after starting to queue), people start vocally letting their annoyance be heard.
So you’ve one small gate to funnel people in, which was almost constantly shut (admittedly ____heads with jarg tickets didn’t help that situation as the gate was constantly being shut as they got lashed out), a mass build up of people trying to get through the one small gate, and NO police or stewards controlling that build up. And then, just to add to the fun, out of nowhere, and I still don’t know where it came from (presumably from the Police inside the outer cordon of the ground we were trying to get through to) we got teargassed. Not once. Which would have been disgraceful enough. But THREE separate times. Now I don’t know if anyones experienced that, but I can tell you first hand its not F nice! And when you can’t disperse from it, its even worse. Lads were throwing up on the 2nd/ 3rd wave of it.
I eventually got through into the ground 20 minutes before the original scheduled KO. Over TWO hours after I started queuing. Separated from mates who eventually made it in. I was a complete emotional mess. I won’t dwell on this as I struggle to talk about Sheffield at the beat of times. But I thought I was back there. The game was just a non event as my head was in bits. Even after I’d composed myself.
This probably sounds dramatic, and maybe incoherent as I’m rambling on a phone, but thats honestly the worst experience I’ve had in decades at a game where the lack of any and all organisation/ consideration of public safety/ crowd control et al, was astounding. There but for grace of God there wasn’t a SERIOUS incident. And that was only through our own fans self policing each other and calming people down the more naturally
annoyed and frustrated they got.
This isn’t some backward Country we are talking about. This is the capital of France. In a stadium regularly used for major football/ rugby games. But here we are again. With a complete lack official accountability and the blame being spun onto football supporters.
I currently feel like I just can’t be arsed with this any more. Being treated like absolute low life **** just because I happen to want to support my team abroad. I mean this was the biggest football game on the planet for F’s sake! Just HOW can this continue to be happening?
Oh, and just for good measure, the French police turned up at the end of the game in full riot gear looking like Robocop, and teargassed us again going out! I missed that one as I stayed to applaud every last one of our magnificent team off the park at the end. But a few mates didn’t and walked straight into that.
UEFA and the French authorities can politely go F themselves for the absolutely despicable treatment of hard working people who paid a small.fortune to be at their showpiece game tonight. But hey, it’s just them Scousers at it again and the lies will stick with the majority around the Country.
This is supposed to be the pinnacle supporting your side but I’m tuning out for a while as I need to forget football and tonights events or else I will fall apart with the memories tonights carnage invoked.
But I’m just that lost and in bits after tonight it seems the appropriate time. And not at losing the game. That was a complete, non event sideshow. The match honestly doesn’t matter. But the absolute disgrace and lack of ANY organisation before the game. There’s going to be a lot of ***** written and spoken blaming ’those Scousers again! ‘in the coming days. Its already started from UEFA and the French authorities with their lies to shift the blame. But nothing could be further from the truth.
We got to the ground around half 6 tonight. For a game that wasn’t scheduled to kick off until 9. And the lack of ANY organisation after the first check point was immediately apparent around the turnstiles. The disorganised queue was lengthy at that time. And wasn’t moving. All leading to ONE small gete that led through to the actual turnstiles. And, naturally, the longer you were in it, the more congested it got. There wasn’t ONE steward or police outside to organise the building mass. And I won’t lie. It was scary as F. And I was personally really struggling ….. I’ve deleted this 5 times now as I’m struggling to convey my feelings ….. I was getting flashbacks to Sheffield. And I couldn’t get out as you were stuck in the throng. Panic doesn’t begin to describe the emotions but you have to hold it together for everyone elses sake around you. And when you have a crowd like that, frustrated, with the kick off fast approaching (we were still outside going on an hour and a half after starting to queue), people start vocally letting their annoyance be heard.
So you’ve one small gate to funnel people in, which was almost constantly shut (admittedly ____heads with jarg tickets didn’t help that situation as the gate was constantly being shut as they got lashed out), a mass build up of people trying to get through the one small gate, and NO police or stewards controlling that build up. And then, just to add to the fun, out of nowhere, and I still don’t know where it came from (presumably from the Police inside the outer cordon of the ground we were trying to get through to) we got teargassed. Not once. Which would have been disgraceful enough. But THREE separate times. Now I don’t know if anyones experienced that, but I can tell you first hand its not F nice! And when you can’t disperse from it, its even worse. Lads were throwing up on the 2nd/ 3rd wave of it.
I eventually got through into the ground 20 minutes before the original scheduled KO. Over TWO hours after I started queuing. Separated from mates who eventually made it in. I was a complete emotional mess. I won’t dwell on this as I struggle to talk about Sheffield at the beat of times. But I thought I was back there. The game was just a non event as my head was in bits. Even after I’d composed myself.
This probably sounds dramatic, and maybe incoherent as I’m rambling on a phone, but thats honestly the worst experience I’ve had in decades at a game where the lack of any and all organisation/ consideration of public safety/ crowd control et al, was astounding. There but for grace of God there wasn’t a SERIOUS incident. And that was only through our own fans self policing each other and calming people down the more naturally
annoyed and frustrated they got.
This isn’t some backward Country we are talking about. This is the capital of France. In a stadium regularly used for major football/ rugby games. But here we are again. With a complete lack official accountability and the blame being spun onto football supporters.
I currently feel like I just can’t be arsed with this any more. Being treated like absolute low life **** just because I happen to want to support my team abroad. I mean this was the biggest football game on the planet for F’s sake! Just HOW can this continue to be happening?
Oh, and just for good measure, the French police turned up at the end of the game in full riot gear looking like Robocop, and teargassed us again going out! I missed that one as I stayed to applaud every last one of our magnificent team off the park at the end. But a few mates didn’t and walked straight into that.
UEFA and the French authorities can politely go F themselves for the absolutely despicable treatment of hard working people who paid a small.fortune to be at their showpiece game tonight. But hey, it’s just them Scousers at it again and the lies will stick with the majority around the Country.
This is supposed to be the pinnacle supporting your side but I’m tuning out for a while as I need to forget football and tonights events or else I will fall apart with the memories tonights carnage invoked.
Was waiting for you to come through with something Scouse, thank god you did. At times like this the game doesn't even matter and sifting through the accounts of the bs that happened outside the stadium im just glad that no one got seriously hurt because this couldve easily been avoided. Get home safe Scouse to you and all the others out there.
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Il Liverpool ricorda. Dio riposa. 
I don’t personally agree with a celebratory parade on this dark date in our history we played our part in.
But honestly, after the despicable, and VERY scary way we were treated like sub-humans yesterday, football can completely do one right now.
37 years on and they’ve STILL learned NOTHING.
I don’t personally agree with a celebratory parade on this dark date in our history we played our part in.
But honestly, after the despicable, and VERY scary way we were treated like sub-humans yesterday, football can completely do one right now.
37 years on and they’ve STILL learned NOTHING.
******* ****, that's terrible. Imagine hosting one of the biggest events in sport and failing to do the basics right. Like Scouse said, its freaking Paris, not some village in Cambodia. And those turtled security is more than encouraged to be trigger-happy than to try to help people who are struggling.
Hope you all get a good, deserved rest without thinking of football for a while.
Hope you all get a good, deserved rest without thinking of football for a while.
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Thanks man. And everyone else's well wishes and concern. Greatly appreciated.
Home later on today. I’m just honestly thanking God that everyone is and we didn’t lose anyone. I really can’t convey how serious and dangerous that situation was Saturday night.
We barely spoke football yesterday. (Losing the match is a complete irrelevance. The football Saturday night I honestly couldn't care less for as I, like many others in our totally flat end, just watched it blankly whilst reassuring everyone back home texting that you were in and safe.). Save for everyones experiences which were all similarly horrific. And then yesterday evening, outside a really nice little restaurant/ bar up the top of Montmartre, a dad and his young kid set me off again. His son was 9. And he never wants to go to a football game again ….. A 9 year-old young lad who should be the envy of his mates watching his team at what should be the pinnacle of support, so traumatised by what he went through, not wanting to ever go to a game of football again.
I was 16 at Hillsborough and all the life changing horror that never leaves you and has been saw raw again this weekend. And 33-years later, in one if the Worlds best City's, outside one the World’s best and most modern stadiums, here we are again. When we NEVER should be again.
I won’t lie. Sacking off going the natch has been strongly playing around my mind since Saturday night like that poor kid last night. I mean I will be back next season but I’m a fool who knows no better. But there has to come a point where you go your own safety outweighs everything. If they can’t even consider peoples safety at arguably the biggest sporting occasion on the planet, whilst also treating you like you’re the low life problem and teargassing/ pepper spraying/ and in other accounts, indiscriminately battering people, all for doing nothing but trying to escape and save their lives to begin with, Paris 2022 might well be that tipping point for many in their football support.
And NO apology from UEFA, who I see are already backtracking and passing the buck over to the French Robo-Cops, will ever make up for that.
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Finally sat on a plane. Get me the **** out of this God forsaken Country I never want to come back to. If I even want to go back to a match ever again.
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Just got back to the mail from the club wanting feedback on people's experiences to support the need for a formal and transparent investigation.
This won't be pretty on the French.
The good thing seemingly today, the absolutely scandalous lies the French are doubling down on aside, is more videos from the Madrid side starting to filter through about their similar treatment to add weight to dispelling the narrative the ***** have changed twice or is it three times now to cover their own serious failings toward public safety and complete ineptitude I never ever thought I'd see again. (Initially it was 'late arrivals, then 'ticketless fans', now fantasy numbers that don't add up in any way, shape or form on 'fake tickets.'). And the British media for once seeming to defend us from the absolutely horrific situation we had to endure Saturday night.
I've had some bad experiences over the years on foreign soil following this football club. Most every time you go to France, Spain or Italy you know the Police are going to be absolute shithouse's toward you. But never anything like Saturday. On the biggest stage of all.
This won't be pretty on the French. At all.
This won't be pretty on the French.
The good thing seemingly today, the absolutely scandalous lies the French are doubling down on aside, is more videos from the Madrid side starting to filter through about their similar treatment to add weight to dispelling the narrative the ***** have changed twice or is it three times now to cover their own serious failings toward public safety and complete ineptitude I never ever thought I'd see again. (Initially it was 'late arrivals, then 'ticketless fans', now fantasy numbers that don't add up in any way, shape or form on 'fake tickets.'). And the British media for once seeming to defend us from the absolutely horrific situation we had to endure Saturday night.
I've had some bad experiences over the years on foreign soil following this football club. Most every time you go to France, Spain or Italy you know the Police are going to be absolute shithouse's toward you. But never anything like Saturday. On the biggest stage of all.
This won't be pretty on the French. At all.
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As upsetting and hard as it is, the more you read peoples accounts of Saturday, the more you're even more staggered there weren't fatalities. And as bad as your own personal experience was, you're left feeling lucky it wasn't half as bad as others. Particularly after the game with the level of violent assaults from the ferrel, criminal migrant gangs. With not one French RoboCop to be seen dealing with that away from the shadow of the stadium. Just one example-
It's been absolutely brilliant, if totally heartbreaking, to read many first hand accounts from Madrid fans suffering similar terrifying assaults from the French RoboCops and ferrel ***** of Saint-Denis. Aside from the trauma of the complete lack of any organisation getting in. They've been left as traumatised, both mentally and physically, as ourselves. Again, just one of a multitude of examples in a thread of this Spanish family's experience-
That all adds to dispelling the absolutely heinous lies that the French authorities are doubling down on to protect their own inadequacies for crowd safety. In 2022. In Paris. For one of, if not the, biggest event in any sport. The great thing is that the French people aren't buying the lies either and are speaking out vehemently in our defence. How high ranking Government ministers can STILL stand behind overt lies that can be so easily dispelled by simple maths is staggering
Talking of Daniel, he's been absolutely sensational in being on most every TV channel/ radio station,, here and in France, the past 3 or so days telling the truth of the absolute disgrace that was the 2022 CL Final. I can but applaud him, and every other reputable UK and foreign journalist, who have stood up from the off to knock down the despicable narrative that UEFA and the French are still trying to spin blaming innocent people who only wanted to see their team in a final. And who behaved impeccably in exceptionally trying circumstances. A whole time line of brilliance from him on his Twitter feed here-
It's been absolutely brilliant, if totally heartbreaking, to read many first hand accounts from Madrid fans suffering similar terrifying assaults from the French RoboCops and ferrel ***** of Saint-Denis. Aside from the trauma of the complete lack of any organisation getting in. They've been left as traumatised, both mentally and physically, as ourselves. Again, just one of a multitude of examples in a thread of this Spanish family's experience-
That all adds to dispelling the absolutely heinous lies that the French authorities are doubling down on to protect their own inadequacies for crowd safety. In 2022. In Paris. For one of, if not the, biggest event in any sport. The great thing is that the French people aren't buying the lies either and are speaking out vehemently in our defence. How high ranking Government ministers can STILL stand behind overt lies that can be so easily dispelled by simple maths is staggering
Talking of Daniel, he's been absolutely sensational in being on most every TV channel/ radio station,, here and in France, the past 3 or so days telling the truth of the absolute disgrace that was the 2022 CL Final. I can but applaud him, and every other reputable UK and foreign journalist, who have stood up from the off to knock down the despicable narrative that UEFA and the French are still trying to spin blaming innocent people who only wanted to see their team in a final. And who behaved impeccably in exceptionally trying circumstances. A whole time line of brilliance from him on his Twitter feed here-
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I also can't applaud the superb leadership from the top of Liverpool FC on down in standing up for our cause and not only demanding a transparent, independent enquiry to make sure this never happens again. (The fact it has 33 years after the worst day of my life that Saturday evening brought crashing back is to the despicable detriment of everyone concerned.). But in calling out the blatant lies and blame shifting:-
Tom Werners letter was brilliant yesterday-
Dear Minister,
I am writing to you today out of utter disbelief that a Minister of the French Government, a position of enormous responsibility and influence, could make a series of unproven pronouncements on a matter of such significance before a proper, formal, independent investigation process has even taken place.
The events that occurred in and around the Stade de France on Saturday night at the UEFA Champions League Final were not only incredibly dangerous for all who attended, but raised serious questions about the organization and operation of the event. This should be the focus of all interested parties today rather than pursuing a blame game strategy via press conference.
I have received countless emails from Liverpool supporters who were frightened to death, and subject to police harassment, pepper spray and tear gas. Moreover, the situation was no better at the end of the evening than at the beginning, with many fans robbed, and attacked by gangs.
It was clear that fans were forced to go through a gauntlet, spending more than 2 hours in queues. One person said they were “trapped against the gates, nobody was moving, and nobody on the other side of the gates was communicating at all.” These fans were treated like cattle.
How can loose data and unverified assertions presented this morning be anywhere near factual without a truly independent and transparent investigation with the right stakeholders including our supporters, our club and others taking place. Worse still, these assertions undermine the pursuit of truth and transparency which should underpin the motivations of any organization or individual with a desire to ensure such unacceptable scenes are never repeated.
The fact that your public position went against this objective is a concern in itself. That you did so without any recourse to ourselves or our supporters is an even greater one. All voices should count in this process, and they should count equally and fairly.
As a Club, it was already our strong feeling that any investigation should be impartial, independent, and transparent. This view has only intensified as a direct result of your public comments and the impact they have had on a narrative which runs contrary to the experiences of many. Your comments were irresponsible, unprofessional, and wholly disrespectful to the thousands of fans harmed physically and emotionally.
UEFA Champions League Final should be one of the finest spectacles in world sport, and instead it devolved into one of the worst security collapses in recent memory. On behalf of all the fans who experienced this nightmare I demand an apology from you, and assurance that the French Authorities and UEFA allow an independent and transparent investigation to proceed.
Regards,
Tom Werner
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CEO Billy Hogan has been on it and exceptional too with the clubs response. This was his latest update last night-
Tom Werners letter was brilliant yesterday-
Dear Minister,
I am writing to you today out of utter disbelief that a Minister of the French Government, a position of enormous responsibility and influence, could make a series of unproven pronouncements on a matter of such significance before a proper, formal, independent investigation process has even taken place.
The events that occurred in and around the Stade de France on Saturday night at the UEFA Champions League Final were not only incredibly dangerous for all who attended, but raised serious questions about the organization and operation of the event. This should be the focus of all interested parties today rather than pursuing a blame game strategy via press conference.
I have received countless emails from Liverpool supporters who were frightened to death, and subject to police harassment, pepper spray and tear gas. Moreover, the situation was no better at the end of the evening than at the beginning, with many fans robbed, and attacked by gangs.
It was clear that fans were forced to go through a gauntlet, spending more than 2 hours in queues. One person said they were “trapped against the gates, nobody was moving, and nobody on the other side of the gates was communicating at all.” These fans were treated like cattle.
How can loose data and unverified assertions presented this morning be anywhere near factual without a truly independent and transparent investigation with the right stakeholders including our supporters, our club and others taking place. Worse still, these assertions undermine the pursuit of truth and transparency which should underpin the motivations of any organization or individual with a desire to ensure such unacceptable scenes are never repeated.
The fact that your public position went against this objective is a concern in itself. That you did so without any recourse to ourselves or our supporters is an even greater one. All voices should count in this process, and they should count equally and fairly.
As a Club, it was already our strong feeling that any investigation should be impartial, independent, and transparent. This view has only intensified as a direct result of your public comments and the impact they have had on a narrative which runs contrary to the experiences of many. Your comments were irresponsible, unprofessional, and wholly disrespectful to the thousands of fans harmed physically and emotionally.
UEFA Champions League Final should be one of the finest spectacles in world sport, and instead it devolved into one of the worst security collapses in recent memory. On behalf of all the fans who experienced this nightmare I demand an apology from you, and assurance that the French Authorities and UEFA allow an independent and transparent investigation to proceed.
Regards,
Tom Werner
Chairman
CEO Billy Hogan has been on it and exceptional too with the clubs response. This was his latest update last night-
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I know it hasn't happened on these here pages, friends, but it all makes the absolute low life *****, to be polite, all over SM, trying to point score with 'Them Scouse *****' again all the more disable. Despite realms of first hand accounts, from innocent Liverpool and Madrid fans, back up by testimony from reputable journalists, Mick in Manchester on his twitter feed knows exactly what happened and who was to blame. And the FA and PL have been VERY noticeable in their continued silence too.
Ala 1989, right from UEFA's first blatant lie as to why the KO was delayed, they were all over believing that and running with it to attack us.
And people wonder why we want F all to do with the rest of the Country and don't consider ourselves English .....
The French know-
Ala 1989, right from UEFA's first blatant lie as to why the KO was delayed, they were all over believing that and running with it to attack us.
And people wonder why we want F all to do with the rest of the Country and don't consider ourselves English .....
The French know-
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I really don't know where I am on things right now TBH.
I've not felt this completely helpless, frustrated and despondent about the game since the aftermath of something I never thought anyone would ever have to experience again 33-years ago. The flashbacks on Saturday night brought that crashing back amid the absolute, exceedingly frightening chaos. And now the absolutely soul destroying, sickening lies of UEFA and the French trying to frame a narrative which points the finger squarely at us as supporters. Wrongly. Again. It's like history repeating. Without the obvious omission of loss of any life.Although mercifully, this time, the truth is being reported and the lies countered.
I've tried a few times to write an account for both the club feedback, and the timeline the outstanding Dr Phil Scratton is putting together, to properly convey and document everything I experienced on Saturday evening and I'm struggling badly to properly describe the complete lack of any organisation and chaos, both before the game in the crush, and vicious assaults from the French RoboCop's. And the same, licensed thugs, doing similar after along with the provocation and assaults from the migrant Parisian gangs that are among the worst anyone can ever remember.
I posted a few football related things on the Utd thread yesterday but I've honestly got absolutely no interest in pretty much anything football related right now. Without wishing to sound dramatic, to say it's left you in a pretty dark place is an understatement.
I've not felt this completely helpless, frustrated and despondent about the game since the aftermath of something I never thought anyone would ever have to experience again 33-years ago. The flashbacks on Saturday night brought that crashing back amid the absolute, exceedingly frightening chaos. And now the absolutely soul destroying, sickening lies of UEFA and the French trying to frame a narrative which points the finger squarely at us as supporters. Wrongly. Again. It's like history repeating. Without the obvious omission of loss of any life.Although mercifully, this time, the truth is being reported and the lies countered.
I've tried a few times to write an account for both the club feedback, and the timeline the outstanding Dr Phil Scratton is putting together, to properly convey and document everything I experienced on Saturday evening and I'm struggling badly to properly describe the complete lack of any organisation and chaos, both before the game in the crush, and vicious assaults from the French RoboCop's. And the same, licensed thugs, doing similar after along with the provocation and assaults from the migrant Parisian gangs that are among the worst anyone can ever remember.
I posted a few football related things on the Utd thread yesterday but I've honestly got absolutely no interest in pretty much anything football related right now. Without wishing to sound dramatic, to say it's left you in a pretty dark place is an understatement.
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This HAS to become a major diplomatic issue between Britain and France.
The overt, outright lies are getting worse. The Presidents spokesperson has now claimed there were ‘no injuries’ and ‘no drama’ Saturday evening!
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The overt, outright lies are getting worse. The Presidents spokesperson has now claimed there were ‘no injuries’ and ‘no drama’ Saturday evening!
French government claims 'no drama, no injuries' done to Liverpool fans
The French government is refusing to accept its responsibility for serious danger at the UEFA Champions League final.
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I naively thought he was going to be contrite. This is absolutely dispicable.
Lie after lie after lie. He lies as easy as he draws breath. Presumably this is akin to being all under oath too.
Lie after lie after lie. He lies as easy as he draws breath. Presumably this is akin to being all under oath too.
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And she follows him with more lies.
I lost count of noting down the number through the translation there were so many. These ***** make SYP and Boris look honest!
I can categorically say for certain I won’t set foot into that Country again. And the way I'm currently feeling, that might well go for all football grounds everywhere too.
I can't go through all this again.
Despicable hearing.
I lost count of noting down the number through the translation there were so many. These ***** make SYP and Boris look honest!
I can categorically say for certain I won’t set foot into that Country again. And the way I'm currently feeling, that might well go for all football grounds everywhere too.
I can't go through all this again.
Despicable hearing.
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