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Scouseinthehouse said:
If you think Diogo’s remotely on the market mate you are going to be badly disappointed.
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Unfortunately we capped ourselves in the market but giving him an insane salary for his role in the team. For all the good Edwards done one of the biggest negatives is his hamstring us in the transfer market as we have too many squad players on salaries no befitting their role in the team. So unless we can con Howe one last time by selling him Jota, we stuck with him.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Said going in that yesterday would be the day Arsenal looked back on that they lost the league. (Which will be the biggest choke job in PL history BTW the gap they had at the top over City Chrimbo.). They’ve improved this year but under normal circumstances, they are nowhere near City or our level of the past 4/ 5 seasons. Like Utd, Newcastle etc, they’ve just benefited from the big 2’s drop off after all their unprecedented exertions over the duration.

I might be wrong but I believe the pendulum swung yesterday and a ravenous City will now win out and win another tainted title. City who would have destroyed us yesterday after our dog S start and won the game comfortably. THATS the difference in levels that Arsenal aren’t anywhere near yet,

Anfield is a humbler and they absolutely S it when the bonheaded Xhaka (who should have walked BTW to ad a woefully inept officiating display from Tierney), did what his equally boneheaded manager did last season and stirred the Red beast on and off the park.

Still not sure how we didn’t come away with all 3 points after absolutely volleying them all over for the last hour but thats football. You often don’t get what you deserve.

Wasn’t worried going in and I aren’t worried at all that we’ll win the last 5 at home. The home form has been the one thing that has held up this year. Anfield is a humbler.

The issue is you don’t know what will happen at Leeds on Monday night? 🤷🏼‍♂️ If we play with the same desire and intensity the last 4 away, as we do at home, then we are more than capable of running the table and finishing with 9 wins out of 9.

Top 4 is still WELL open and attainable to anyone that wants it. We’ve been in worse scenarios than this the last 10 under Jurgen and come storming through to get the CL spot. But they have to truly want it and leave NOTHING on the park any game.

Over to the players now.

Cautiously optimistic but no more than that until they start to show it away from home. Leeds will be a battle and a half now after their disgrace yesterday but match them for effort, and we’ll be sound.

Over to the players. Its there if you truly believe in each other and want it boys. Hopefully, yeaterday was the start in rediscovering that trust and belief in the top class side we know you still are.
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Usually I'd agree with you that we could somehow scrap top 4 but the point game is now 10 points I believe. Plus too many players are already on holiday mode and that mentality is hard to turn off.
 
dilakh2 said:
Unfortunately we capped ourselves in the market but giving him an insane salary for his role in the team. For all the good Edwards done one of the biggest negatives is his hamstring us in the transfer market as we have too many squad players on salaries no befitting their role in the team. So unless we can con Howe one last time by selling him Jota, we stuck with him.
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£140 K per week over 5 years for a young International regular who's integral to the forward rotation doesn't seem too hefty to me mate. Shrugs.

But then I have a completely different view as to his importance and worth than you do.
 
dilakh2 said:
Usually I'd agree with you that we could somehow scrap top 4 but the point game is now 10 points I believe. Plus too many players are already on holiday mode and that mentality is hard to turn off.
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If you are suggesting by that they aren't 'putting it in', I'd have to completely take issue there mate.

Related, this was a quote from the Jurgens Arsenal presser through the week: ''The first step is intensity, desire, passion. Good at Chelsea, really that was good. The rest, not so much. But it’s fine, so let’s go from there.”

It's been proper mad to me to often read people questioning the players effort this season. To the point I've read call's for them to refund the supporters money down to them not putting it in. Bar the odd occasion, like the second half in a dead game at City the other weekend, I've honestly never felt that at all at the game this year. And Chelsea was a prime example last Tuesday night .....

The maddening thing from ourselves that game, was that we never seemed to want to gamble to win it and just put everything we had into not losing. But their work ethic, collectively and individually, as most every game this season, couldn’t be questioned. They battled tooth and nail all night for the point they got. Just when things are as bad as they've been this season, with confidence this low, that isn’t enough and often looks like they aren’t putting it in as they are a second too slow to react and move. And all it takes at this level is being a second off.

For all the things you can legit nark about in this grim season, questioning the players effort and commitment honestly isn't one of them IMHO..
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
£140 K per week over 5 years for a young International regular who's integral to the forward rotation doesn't seem too hefty to me mate. Shrugs.

But then I have a completely different view as to his importance and worth than you do.
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It's a symptom of one of the reasons I believe we struggle in the transfer market. Whether you think Diogo is important or not doesn't take away from the fact we have too many squad players on wages that no other team can afford. You can't just sign players without space in the squad. Example being we have Nat Phillips on 60 or 70k a week (Love Naldini but still) and we gave Gomez a new and improved contract over the summer when their was interest. I wont even get into the likes of Ox and Keita but it proves my point that wage bill under Edwards tenure has hamstrung in trying to update the squad over time. As we are either spending too much money on subpar squad players and more importantly having no space in the squad.
 
I don't really get that argument either on extensions. Nat earned the right to be bumped. As did Joe. You aren't going to keep younger guys if you don't reward progress both individually and their contribution to team success. I mean football salaries are scandalous anyway but they are what they are and you have to remain competitive,

It is interesting that they are getting away recently from lower basics that are heavily bonus incentivised. But then with the astronomical wage bill down to all the player and staff bonuses with our ridiculous success over recent seasons in all comps, I think they want to get away from being hit with one massive bill at the end of a successful year on the accounts.

I don't know, you could legit argue that the midfield money invested in Oxo-Chambo and Keita (even if it was with good intentions as they should now be part of the midfield on a regular basis. You just can't legislate for the injuries), has made reinforcements there awkwared as we aren't State backed with unlimited funds. But I think there's a lot more issues to be annoyed at than what we pay in salary.
 
dilakh2 said:
Wasnt he the one involved with Tierney when the golden boy Kane went studs up and escaped a red last season?
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Yup. It tutns out he was. A game of which AndyRobbo waled in when Tory Boy escaped scot-free for worse. Before you even mention the shocking non-peno on Jota that game and similar on Mo late yesterday.

Uncanny coincidence that we are here again with the same officials isn't it?

The FA have to act and act hard and fast surely?
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
I don't really get that argument either on extensions. Nat earned the right to be bumped. As did Joe. You aren't going to keep younger guys if you don't reward progress both individually and their contribution to team success. I mean football salaries are scandalous anyway but they are what they are and you have to remain competitive,

It is interesting that they are getting away recently from lower basics that are heavily bonus incentivised. But then with the astronomical wage bill down to all the player and staff bonuses with our ridiculous success over recent seasons in all comps, I think they want to get away from being hit with one massive bill at the end of a successful year on the accounts.

I don't know, you could legit argue that the midfield money invested in Oxo-Chambo and Keita (even if it was with good intentions as they should now be part of the midfield on a regular basis. You just can't legislate for the injuries), has made reinforcements there awkwared as we aren't State backed with unlimited funds. But I think there's a lot more issues to be annoyed at than what we pay in salary.
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Its less about the salary although it is a big issue as you can't move them on as you either have to pay them out or cover some of the salary. It's the lack of space in the squad available because we are keeping around players that are either too injury prone or should have been moved on time ago.
 
Can't see a thing in that pixaleated footage, but if he grabbed ref's arm first nothing is gonna happen.
 
dilakh2 said:
Its less about the salary although it is a big issue as you can't move them on as you either have to pay them out or cover some of the salary. It's the lack of space in the squad available because we are keeping around players that are either too injury prone or should have been moved on time ago.
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Who are you moving on in an ideal World?

Kelleher deserves to be starting at a high level. And has real good value. Should be able to get upwards of £30 million for him. No worries there replacing him as we have a proper good goalkeeping school going on at all levels.

Defensively, I think you need a top draw, left footed CH so you can rest and manage Virg's minutes. Matip would be the one I'd let go there. Along with Nat finally who deserves to be playing somewhere and has decent value. Someone like van den Berg should be sound in the fifth CH squad role.

The attack's boxed unless some mad offer came in for Mo that you'd have to consider given his age. Nobody I'd move out there.

Just leaves the glaring midfield spots. Naby and Oxo-Chambo are gone. Ideally, Thiago and Fabinho (Unless you completely redefine his position to a CH) would also be gone. But not sure you can make so many sweeping changes in one window in that area. Henderson needs to move into the back-up 6/ Milner utility role in the squad. I'd make decision on either Jones or Morton for that slot so maybe you can make something decent on Curtis if it's him. And Milner can happily stay on a reduced deal for another year as he transitions more into a player-coach role.

So with Bellingham boxed, and Mount looking odds on, along with another midfielder (Which would be a top bracket playmaking 6 we view the position), and a CH, whilst jettisoning Naby, Chamberlain, Nat, Matip, Kelleher and maybe one of Fabinho, Jones and Thiago, I think your sound personally. Although they could have done more, we've steadily been building for the next great Klopp side and have really lowered the overall age of the squad over the past 3/4 years.

Doesn't take much to be back challenging the cheats down the other end of the East Lancs neck-and-neck next year for all the marbles.

Midfield legs fix all.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Who are you moving on in an ideal World?

Kelleher deserves to be starting at a high level. And has real good value. Should be able to get upwards of £30 million for him. No worries there replacing him as we have a proper good goalkeeping school going on at all levels.

Defensively, I think you need a top draw, left footed CH so you can rest and manage Virg's minutes. Matip would be the one I'd let go there. Along with Nat finally who deserves to be playing somewhere and has decent value. Someone like van den Berg should be sound in the fifth CH squad role.

The attack's boxed unless some mad offer came in for Mo that you'd have to consider given his age. Nobody I'd move out there.

Just leaves the glaring midfield spots. Naby and Oxo-Chambo are gone. Ideally, Thiago and Fabinho (Unless you completely redefine his position to a CH) would also be gone. But not sure you can make so many sweeping changes in one window in that area. Henderson needs to move into the back-up 6/ Milner utility role in the squad. I'd make decision on either Jones or Morton for that slot so maybe you can make something decent on Curtis if it's him. And Milner can happily stay on a reduced deal for another year as he transitions more into a player-coach role.

So with Bellingham boxed, and Mount looking odds on, along with another midfielder (Which would be a top bracket playmaking 6 we view the position), and a CH, whilst jettisoning Naby, Chamberlain, Nat, Matip, Kelleher and maybe one of Fabinho, Jones and Thiago, I think your sound personally. Although they could have done more, we've steadily been building for the next great Klopp side and have really lowered the overall age of the squad over the past 3/4 years.

Doesn't take much to be back challenging the cheats down the other end of the East Lancs neck-and-neck next year for all the marbles.

Midfield legs fix all.
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Lord if Bellingham doesn't sign after all the teasing I will do absolutely nothing but still be ****** lmao. It has to happen at this point otherwise I think I will actually cry.

Edit: great im ready for the water works...
https://twitter.com/x/status/1645903330416414721
 
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Scouseinthehouse said:
So with Bellingham boxed, and Mount looking odds on, along with another midfielder (Which would be a top bracket playmaking 6 we view the position), and a CH, whilst jettisoning Naby, Chamberlain, Nat, Matip, Kelleher and maybe one of Fabinho, Jones and Thiago, I think your sound personally. Although they could have done more, we've steadily been building for the next great Klopp side and have really lowered the overall age of the squad over the past 3/4 years.
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The worst day of the year. EVERY year.

This grim L’pool season, divvy’s madly loosing there S this week over more Bellingham ‘rumours’ and conjecture et al ….. This day always puts into stark perspective what truly matters in life. Life itself. I'm just so grateful that, later, I get to share the support of some of the best friends I could ever wish to have, to get us through the saddest of days. Together.

God rest those so needlessly taken from us 34-years-ago today. We will never forget you.

God continue watching over those still, fortunately, here dealing.

YNWA. JFT97.
 
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