The Manchester United Thread

[zzeezzy]

Alway's been a funny player to peg for me as to his best position.

He's never been an out and out striker. And he's never a natural 10. Sort of a 'tweener who looked at his best when he had license to roam.

But yeah, he's been massively on the wain for 3 or 4 years now. I didn't realise just how bad his game had dropped off until watching him this year. I'm FAR from an England fan, but what he's doing still getting games with the joke scenario of him being in position to break Charlton's record is more unbelievable than him captaining Utd.

No question he shouldn't be playing. But he has to by default because there's nottin' else shy of inexperienced youth or someone playing out of position.

Rather of had Chicharito than Rooney right now, but that was never going to happen. He's too slow to react on the ball and is slow/predictable just in general.

Like against Swansea, through on goal two or three times, delays the decision too late and allows defender to get back. Same again Spurs when Walker came back and scored the goal for him.

Not going to give him much credit at all because he has been poor in PL for so long now it is borderline ridiculous for a player of his wage and so called, importance, to the club. That game against Brugge he was ok but delivering against small teams isn't saying much when you can't replicate it again.

 

[Chelski Shogun]

Madrid have buy back clause and will buy when any team tries to buy him. Also he is playing for Juventus and just signed from Madrid. He is very happy getting regular games at Juventus.

All players won't just move because we have money.

Just because Madrid have a buy-back clause it doesn't mean to say other clubs can't sign him. We have no idea if there's a cancellation clause within his contract. If there is then United could've signed him but if there isn't well you can do the math. Morata could've been unattainable and if he was then fair enough, but if he wasn't then as I've said I just find it strange that there wasn't more interest from United.

 

[zzeezzy]

Just because Madrid have a buy-back clause it doesn't mean to say other clubs can't sign him. We have no idea if there's a cancellation clause within his contract. If there is then United could've signed him but if there isn't well you can do the math. Morata could've been unattainable and if he was then fair enough, but if he wasn't then as I've said I just find it strange that there wasn't more interest from United.

If there was any chance of him being available you'd assume Arsenal would of been in for him. But then again if it means Wenger spending some doh probably not.

 

[Tyton]

Considering Martrial has gone for just under 50% the world record. Yes.

Ronaldo went for a quarter for those wondering..

I can't believe people actually go out of their way to defend the pricing. Its a 19-year old whippersnapper with 9 competetive games, going for more money than double world champion fat Ronaldo.

 

[sunilvk7]

Just because Madrid have a buy-back clause it doesn't mean to say other clubs can't sign him. We have no idea if there's a cancellation clause within his contract. If there is then United could've signed him but if there isn't well you can do the math. Morata could've been unattainable and if he was then fair enough, but if he wasn't then as I've said I just find it strange that there wasn't more interest from United.

Madrid have buy back clause and if any team tries to sign him Madrid would use that option to sign him back. Morata will end up at Madrid in 2-3 years and that's the plan for him.

 

[Alcaraz]

If there was any chance of him being available you'd assume Arsenal would of been in for him. But then again if it means Wenger spending some doh probably not.

Or maybe he just isn't world-class enough ...

 

[Joel`]

I can't believe people actually go out of their way to defend the pricing. Its a 19-year old whippersnapper with 9 competetive games, going for more money than double world champion fat Ronaldo.

Charlie Austin is supposedly worth as much as Alan Shearer. Football is hugely different today.

I've said it multiple times, but the arguments over transfer fees are ******* ridiculous. As Sunil said, if he becomes world class in a few years no one will give a toss what we paid. People go on like they know a player's intrinsic worth. A player's value is decided by what a club is willing to pay, and what a club is willing to sell for. There's multiple reasons that can push that price up or down irrespective of the player. Club just got relegated and in desperate need to sell? A player's value just halved, that doesn't make him half as good. Want a young, powerful, pacey and technical forward with a ton of potential? You've probably got less than 10 to choose from in the world. Other clubs interested? Get ready to pay through the nose.

Ultimately, it's a classic United signing. Look through our most important players of the past 20 years, barely any moved for big money from big clubs. For every Rooney and Ronaldo you get an Anderson or Bebe. Rooney had a record barely better than Martial at the time, and his fee was probably even more accounting for inflation - but whatever you think of him for currently, it's hard to argue it hasn't paid off massively. I applaud the club for taking risks and returning to the ways that brought all our success in the past, whatever he cost.

 

[smith123]

You can't compare transfer fees from the 90's up until the mid to even as late as 2010 to now, many factors go against that argument.

Afobe is valued at around 14m, just one example of inflation, money clubs have to spend and current footballing times.

Now i'll give an honest answer, yes 36m is too much for martial but this is going to happen alot, especially to united when clubs know how much cash the club has.

 

[Tyton]

Rooney:

a) is English so he was overpriced by definiton.
b) last time I checked he didn't cost 80 million. Unless we had 400% inflation and nobody noticed.

 

[dasty]

Rooney:

a) is English so he was overpriced by definiton.
b) last time I checked he didn't cost 80 million. Unless we had 400% inflation and nobody noticed.

a) Doesn't matter, no one will even say that he is overpriced now, because it had been proven that he is well worth the outlay.

b)Rooney = £25.6m
Martial = £36m + potential £21.6m in bonus

Amount that the club are obliged to pay for either players = £25.6m and £36m = 140% increase
The inflation of US dollar over the same period of time is 122%. The inflation is much worse in football.

Even if the club end up paying all the bonuses for Martial = £57.6m = 225% increase. Not really close to the 400% inflation quoted.


Yes, it is a massive gamble for an unproven talent, but stop making it sound worse than it already is.

 

[sunilvk7]

Can't believe Eden Hazard cost 500% more than what Maradona cost to Napoli and some 3000% times what Cruyff cost Barca. World is ******* mad.

De Gea cost 3600% more than what Great Dane cost United.

Roy Keane cost 200% more than Robson.

Arguing about transfer fee especially that was so long back is just silly.

Andy Cole who was a goal scoring machine for Newcastle was moved to United for 7 Million and at that time it raised so many eye brows, it was just ******* out of order. Now Championship clubs are dealing with double that money.

Irwin was half a million, now players like Shaw, Baba cost 20Million +.

Vidic was a beast and was just 7 Million but now 40 million pound bid is rejected by Everton for Stones.

10-12 years back Ronaldo was 12Million pounds, Sterling is 49 Million pounds.

Trying to make sense of transfer fee is just silly in today's football. Money involved is huge and clubs can take risks much more than they could few years back.

 

[wkdsoul]

Can't believe Eden Hazard cost 500% more than what Maradona cost to Napoli and some 3000% times what Cruyff cost Barca. World is ******* mad.

De Gea cost 3600% more than what Great Dane cost United.

Roy Keane cost 200% more than Robson.

Arguing about transfer fee especially that was so long back is just silly.

Andy Cole who was a goal scoring machine for Newcastle was moved to United for 7 Million and at that time it raised so many eye brows, it was just ******* out of order. Now Championship clubs are dealing with double that money.

Irwin was half a million, now players like Shaw, Baba cost 20Million +.

Vidic was a beast and was just 7 Million but now 40 million pound bid is rejected by Everton for Stones.

10-12 years back Ronaldo was 12Million pounds, Sterling is 49 Million pounds.

Trying to make sense of transfer fee is just silly in today's football. Money involved is huge and clubs can take risks much more than they could few years back.

This is exactly why i posted what they were in relation to the cost of the transfer record at the time they moved as above, you just cant make a comparison that Stoichkov and Romario cost Barcelona the price of this windows Glenn Murry & Faboi Borini, and thats including both times Stoichkov was bought... lol.

 

[sunilvk7]

This is exactly why i posted what they were in relation to the cost of the transfer record at the time they moved as above, you just cant make a comparison that Stoichkov and Romario cost Barcelona the price of this windows Glenn Murry & Faboi Borini, and thats including both times Stoichkov was bought... lol.

Comparing to cost of transfer record won't give the complete picture IMO.

Even if you do then Tyton's Ronaldo fee post is wrong as Ronaldo went for world record fee.

Transfer fee rises exponentially. Not sure till where though.

Ronaldo's move to Inter was a record breaking deal and just 3 years later Crespo was sold almost double that money.

 

[wkdsoul]

Comparing to cost of transfer record won't give the complete picture IMO.

Even if you do then Tyton's Ronaldo fee post is wrong as Ronaldo went for world record fee.

Transfer fee rises exponentially. Not sure till where though.

Ronaldo's move to Inter was a record breaking deal and just 3 years later Crespo was sold almost double that money.

That was in 1997, by the time United bought Cristiano in 2003, the record was Zindane at 46m (moved 2001). I only used as a reference, just to show where the high end of the market fees were at, at the time. Just an easier comparison than trying to work it out in relation to today.

Ronaldo moved to Inter for 27mil,
Crespo was sold to Lazio for 35mil... hardly double, but I get your point.

Regardless of how we look at this, its stil a higher end of the market price for me. Its all opinion at this point

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

So Perez hits out at Woodward today.

Is this he said/ she said, my dicks bigger than your **** ******* contest gonna' go on all season long?

 

[hughesman]

Perez is a blight on the football world the same way Blatter is. The sooner he gets the boot at real the better. I absolutely despise that club with an absolute passion.

 

[sunilvk7]

That was in 1997, by the time United bought Cristiano in 2003, the record was Zindane at 46m (moved 2001). I only used as a reference, just to show where the high end of the market fees were at, at the time. Just an easier comparison than trying to work it out in relation to today.

Ronaldo moved to Inter for 27mil,
Crespo was sold to Lazio for 35mil... hardly double, but I get your point.

Regardless of how we look at this, its stil a higher end of the market price for me. Its all opinion at this point

Ronaldo moved to Inter for 19 Million pounds and 3 years later Crespo moved for 35 Million pounds, at least as per Wiki.

Also there is a changing trend in the market. Previously only superstar players used to go for big money or excellent players, now the big money is invested in young players banking on their potential.

Worrying trend but that's what you have to pay to sign a decent young player. Like City paid for Sterling.

Not saying United didn't over pay as the very first post I said they did by big margin but comparing player values 10-20 years back to the current players is just useless. The money involved in the game has increased by big margin.

If you want bit more accurate results, then you have to compare what the player cost with respect to the club overall revenue. Ronaldo was what % of club revenue and Martial was what %. That's gives you the better picture.

 

[sunilvk7]

So Perez hits out at Woodward today.

Is this he said/ she said, my dicks bigger than your **** ******* contest gonna' go on all season long?

Easy to see he is ****** off for not getting his target.

Also ironic that he cites examples of Coentrao and Ander for failed transfers and inexperience when it was Madrid who ****** up Coentrao transfer when they failed to sign him replacement.

So in 2 years, they ****** up Coentrao deal, his replacement deal and De Gea deal.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

To the above, Sterling would of gone for similar to Martial (somewhere around £40 million); but being as QPR were owed £9 or so million for their take, that's why Boston held out to cover that.

But the initial point was relative.

Continue on.

 

[sunilvk7]

To the above, Sterling would of gone for similar to Martial (somewhere around £40 million); but being as QPR were owed £9 or so million for their take, that's why Boston held out to cover that.

But the initial point was relative.

Continue on.

Even in this case Lyon will get around 7.5 Million from this sale.

It's all demand and supply. You want a player, you have to pay the asking price.