The Manchester United Thread

damola3 said:
That near chance there is created by Rooney's movement more than Martial's pass. Rooney's movement and timing of the run is excellent there. When Martial hits the ball, Rooney doesn't know the keeper has come out to intercept. If he touches the ball, that early, he takes the ball too wide and the chance is gone. It's just a great bit up goalkeeping and Rooney being unlucky that the pass was inches away.

United have had creativity issues under Van Gaal. You cut exactly blame Rooney for that. Fact is a striker is much sharper on form and that he isn't going to get any form without chances. There's something fundamentally wrong when 2 player from a rival create more that your whole squad! United's attacking play lacks fluidity and cohesion.
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You got to repeat it few more times. You haven't said it enough times.

Attack lacks cohesion because of the player who is leading it. He has declined physically, his first touch is gone, his short passing is terrible now, he can't leather the ball as he used to before.

No one is denying ManUtd are poor attacking this year but ManUtd captain is not helping the cause and is their worst player. He should be dropped just like any other player.

Oh btw, you are just wrong. That chance was created because of Martial's vision. Any striker worth his salt will make that run and that includes even non league and sunday league players.
 
Oh come on mate, he could have easily taken that ball with a deft touch and not knocked it too wide. The ball was very good, the movement was good but Rooney decided to let the pass go on untouched.

On another day where the keeper was a yard further back, the pass hit slightly less or Rooney deciding to get a touch to it, it would have probably been a goal
 
sunilvk7 said:
He slowed down after he made the run, when the ball was just passing him.

He scored many goals because he was excellent player, now he is on decline and his confidence is shot.

Dude you need to watch games than just going by some numbers or some imaginations. No one is blaming Rooney for not scoring, just watch his game for once before making any post.



Rooney is one of the big reason why chances are not created. Every one two played with him is a waste of possession, players never get passes back from Rooney, his first touch is horrendous and doesn't help him to pose any threat at all. His reflexes are **** slow, he is just few seconds late for every pass. It's near impossible to create anything for this Rooney.

When your striker can't run or create space, it's not possible to create chances.
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You realise the chance stat only counts if the player receiving takes the shot. We don't actually shoot enough. That's the issue
 
Average Joe said:
Oh come on mate, he could have easily taken that ball with a deft touch and not knocked it too wide.
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I honestly don't think he could. That would require truly exquisite touch, something Rooney never had even when he was at his best.
 
Average Joe said:
Oh come on mate, he could have easily taken that ball with a deft touch and not knocked it too wide. The ball was very good, the movement was good but Rooney decided to let the pass go on untouched.

On another day where the keeper was a yard further back, the pass hit slightly less or Rooney deciding to get a touch to it, it would have probably been a goal
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My point is that at the time that Rooney could have taken the deft touch, he had no clue as to where the keeper was and the ball was so close to his feet, that letting it run across was a sensible action. The likelihood that the keeper would make an inch perfect interception from that point would have been very very unlikely. Imo 99% of strikers would have let it run across like Rooney did.

I agree that on another day, should the keeper have been a yard back or the pass hit inches less, he would have had a clear cut chance. I'm this situation, we haven't given the keeper enough credit because I'm sure that the majority of world-class keepers would have weighed up that the pass was too risky to go for an interception that would have been decided by a fraction of a second.

I think we're over analysing this. Yes, Rooney has seen a decline and he's out of form, however chance creation has been poor to the point when you think, how is he going to get confidence?
 
Can i ask why everyone is focusing on that one "chance" (not technically a chance if he doesn't shoot?). It was the whole game that was the issue. Doesn't matter if he ****** up that one dream ball or not (IMO he did but beside the point). It is his whole game, LVG putting chains on the whole team.

We have Herrera, Basti, Depay, Mata, and if that isn't a midfield goal scoring dream team I don't know what is. Its criminal they don't even shoot. But Roo just takes the cake. First ball, *****, first touch, *****, pace has gone, passing is gone, confidence is gone. ****, he is too busy playing in the CM area of the pitch he forgets he is a striker. It is disgusting and all of this makes watching united a chore to watch. And I never thought I would feel this way watching United.
 
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Dont know how anyone can still defend Rooney there with that GIF. It backs up what me and my mate was talking about in the pub watching the game. Rooney, for what ever reason now, ALWAYS lets the ball run across his body on to his right foot rather than take a touch with his left.

You can see clearly there that the ball is played when he starts his run and practically hits his left foot as its going through, but rather than take a touch, he lets it run on so he can get onto it with his right and the ball runs away from him. If he takes a little touch with his left as its going past, he takes a bit of the weight off the ball then hes one on one with the keeper. Then he either tries to shift the ball to his right when he has it under control and shoots or he can run at the keeper and go to the left and is probably brought down, keeper is off and we have a penalty.
 
steveorobbo said:
Dont know how anyone can still defend Rooney there with that GIF. It backs up what me and my mate was talking about in the pub watching the game. Rooney, for what ever reason now, ALWAYS lets the ball run across his body on to his right foot rather than take a touch with his left.

You can see clearly there that the ball is played when he starts his run and practically hits his left foot as its going through, but rather than take a touch, he lets it run on so he can get onto it with his right and the ball runs away from him. If he takes a little touch with his left as its going past, he takes a bit of the weight off the ball then hes one on one with the keeper. Then he either tries to shift the ball to his right when he has it under control and shoots or he can run at the keeper and go to the left and is probably brought down, keeper is off and we have a penalty.
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This season I have seen him miss 7 genuine clear cut chances because he wont use his left. The thing is that he doesn't even have a bad left foot, its actually very good. For some reason he is afraid to use it
 
Mike. said:
The thing is that he doesn't even have a bad left foot, its actually very good. For some reason he is afraid to use it
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Mate, its perfectly obvious.

He's afraid that Van Gaal puts him at centerback if he finds out about the left foot.
 
Mike. said:
This season I have seen him miss 7 genuine clear cut chances because he wont use his left. The thing is that he doesn't even have a bad left foot, its actually very good. For some reason he is afraid to use it
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United created 7 CCC? Where? When? How? Why? Am I missing something?
 
sunilvk7 said:
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Rooney could have easily made the first touch to take it around the keeper.
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Good tackle from schneiderlin tho....
 
damola3 said:
United created 7 CCC? Where? When? How? Why? Am I missing something?
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The tottenham chance is an obvious start...not sure why he didn't sweep the ball in first time

I remember those 2 chances vs swansea created from long balls over the top(t think it was luke shaw's ball)....

Rather than taking then first time on his left, he tries to cut in to his right and gets tackled before he takes a shot...

Another chance was his 2nd 1v1 vs tim howard at goodison where jagielka, of all people, outpaced rooney

He missed a virtually open goal vs wolfsburg i recall...A good low cross from martial after he turned rodriguez inside out...

Also that free header chance vs CSKA that he just sent straight to handovic
 
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Legend Incredimaria said:
Good tackle from schneiderlin tho....
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He is having very good season. One of reason for our defensive record.

Mike. said:
You realise the chance stat only counts if the player receiving takes the shot. We don't actually shoot enough. That's the issue
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I know. One of the reason why I'm not fully convinced by key passes and chance creation stat. For example, Martial should have had 2 against Palace (Herrera and Rooney missed chances) but because of them he had 0. Also crossing is considered key pass when the attacker attacks, something that's not done at United. Players just wait for defenders to miss.
 
Got to give some credit to Martial, last few games I've seen he's played in some great passes. The one over the top where Pereira (I think) had a good attempt off the bar and that one to Rooney
 
razielioux said:
I bet you haven't watched the video. :)
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I did. Twice. He uses standard hand wave used to signal the advantage. They picked such a dramatic looking signal so players don't miss it.

You're having a bit of confirmation bias here. I guarantee you, the idea that he's celebrating wouldn't even cross your mind, if it wasn't in the video title, which makes you sub-consciously look for sings of celebrating.

Think about it. Even Mike Dean isn't that dumb to openly celebrate a goal on a pitch with 16 cameras capable of capturing Full HD footage of his nose hair.
 
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