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But would you really want him?

To keep with the analogy some what, to go from the sterile boredom of Van Gaal to the even more sterile boredom of Mourinho, who would doubtless jettison any promising kids; would be jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.

Yeah, he'd doubtless get you results. But the whole ethos of what Utd fans like to claim you should stand for would well and truly be over if you hired Mourinho.
 
Alcaraz said:
Yes he won the Championship by signing 11 players at a club that had just been relegated. Hardcore
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Sunderland were straight on the road to League One when he arrived. He took them up and kept them in PL the next year. It ain't a Champions League trophy, but it's something. He gave up on being manager, but he certainly wasn't total ******* disaster Neville seems to be.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
But would you really want him?

To keep with the analogy some what, to go from the sterile boredom of Van Gaal to the even more sterile boredom of Mourinho, who would doubtless jettison any promising kids; would be jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.

Yeah, he'd doubtless get you results. But the whole ethos of what Utd fans like to claim you should stand for would well and truly be over if you hired Mourinho.
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He's not going to jettison the kids. One: there are far too many of them, two: he wont get the job if he doesn't agree to bring through. Playing the youth isn't a bonus here, its a requirement. You cannot coach at United without bringing through youth.

Short answer is he's going to have to change if he wants the job. And that includes how he plays, he'll have to take more risks.

And he knows it. He will have to redefine himself at United. and if he does, he can make himself one of the best again.
 
Mike. said:
He's not going to jettison the kids. One: there are far too many of them, two: he wont get the job if he doesn't agree to bring through. Playing the youth isn't a bonus here, its a requirement. You cannot coach at United without bringing through youth.

Short answer is he's going to have to change if he wants the job. And that includes how he plays, he'll have to take more risks.

And he knows it. He will have to redefine himself at United. and if he does, he can make himself one of the best again.
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Phew. You have FAR more faith in him changing and adapting to the Utd ethos the last few decades than I ever would in your position.
 
Alcaraz said:
Yes he won the Championship by signing 11 players at a club that had just been relegated. Hardcore
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Wasn't Sunderland bottom of the league when he took over? Forget who he signed or the money he had. To take a team thats bottom of the league and get promoted is a massive achievement.

I dont think hes a bad manager. I think its more to do with his personallity. Keane would have been in their face screaming and shouting and tearing them to shreds. The players obviously dont like that so they dont play for him.

He was a live wire anyway, but playing under managers like Fergie and Clough, and looking at how they operate, plus his temper anyway, it was probably always gonna end up that way. Keane has got the temprement to stand there and take a bollocking when required and he leads by example and he expects every single one of his players to have that same attitude.
 
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Scouseinthehouse said:
Phew. You have FAR more faith in him changing and adapting to the Utd ethos the last few decades than I ever would in your position.
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It's not faith. It's why he isn't manager already, and was overlooked for Moyes of all people the first time.

Jose needs United as much as United need him, perhaps more so.
 
Mourinho needs to take a job at a smaller club with less pressure and rebuild himself, not jump into another massive challenge right after his last 2 jobs ended up in drama and flames. Giving him United job would be a huge gamble.
 
Tyton said:
Mourinho needs to take a job at a smaller club with less pressure and rebuild himself, not jump into another massive challenge right after his last 2 jobs ended up in drama and flames. Giving him United job would be a huge gamble.
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Not sure is Mr Ego would like that haha.

Maybe have a go at Monaco if they had money left and needed a manager in the near future. Mou has always been at the big clubs and always had enough cash for each team in their respective leagues.

Big job to overturn PSG but a challenge he would probably like.
 
Alcaraz said:
Dont understand why people are criticizing Neville. Yes he has not done well in his first stint as a manager but at least he had the balls to dive into it and give it a go. Most pundits talk a great game on television but run at the first sight of trouble in the real world. My favourite case example as usual being Roy Keane
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More often than not Keane blames players not managers. So his record as a player is just brilliant and he is in a good position to talk about players.
 
Saying No to jose would be madness and all these ethos, tradition bs needs to stop. None of the English clubs are even owned by English people, all are by Yanks and Qataris with few Asians. Football clubs have stooped so low that they have made pacts with countries like Qatar and also few murderers. All these traditions, class are just non sense spouted whenever needed to support their arguments.

I wanted Pep as manager of United but is he perfect? No. Doping ban when he was in Serie A, doping doubts about his Barca team when that famous doctor worked with them, his endorsement of Qatar are all against him too. Without a doubt the best manager IMO but everyone has their faults.
 
Even more sterile boredom under Mourinho? Lel, someone is listening to the pundits too much.

Mourinho's career statistics (full seasons):
Porto 2002-03: 73 goals, 2nd most goals in the league
Porto 2003-04: 63 goals, most goals in the league
Chelsea 2004-05: 72 goals, 2nd most goals in the league
Chelsea 2005-06: 72 goals, most goals in the league
Chelsea 2006-07: 64 goals, 2nd most goals in the league
Inter 2008-09: 70 goals, most goals in the league
Inter 2009-10: 75 goals, most goals in the league
Real Madrid 2010-11: 102 goals, most goals in the league
Real Madrid 2011-12: 121 goals, most goals in the league (La Liga record, not even the greatest of all time team Barcelona could beat it)
Real Madrid 2012-13: 102 goals, 2nd most goals in the league
Chelsea 2013-14: 71 goals, 3rd most goals in the league (first time he's not in top 2!)
Chelsea 2014-15: 73 goals, 2nd most goals in the league

If a sterile defensive manager's team could get that many goals, then where the **** are the offensive managers?! His teams had been consistently scoring a large amount of goals wherever he goes, and it showed that he is perfectly capable of playing both offensive AND defensive.

And why the **** would he need to go to a smaller club to rebuild himself? He is still one of the best managers in the world and has no reason to do so. He had a terrible HALF season and suddenly he is now a bad manager that needs to prove himself all over again? Give me a break.

He is also perfectly capable of adapting. How else can he win so many trophies with different teams in different leagues? Real Madrid demanded attacking football, and he delivered. He might be defensive in a few games per season especially when he play against Barcelona, but my lord are you defining a whole season with that few games?

Like Mike said, he needs this job, badly. Not going to some smaller clubs and build himself up all over again. And if his past is anything to go by, when Mourinho has something to prove, he usually proves it.
 
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Boy are you in for a surprise on how he sets a team up if he doesn't change his MO datsy.

But it's not my concern so enjoy him if he's the man Utd choose. I personally hope he is as I think he's completely the wrong move for your club but that's another story. It's your club so so I hope you get the man you want.
 
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I imagine the plan is to get a manager like Mourinho for short-term success to lay the foundations and give a platform to the next manager who will be a more long-term vision one like Pocchettino.
 
sunilvk7 said:
Fellaini starting again in the midfield, phew. This is not the old stoke who kept ball in the air, they play on the ground.

Also wonder what Depay needs to do to get a start ahead of Lingard. I like Lingard's off the ball movement though, gets into lot of goal scoring positions.
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Depay is a selfish over-rated hog, he might be good in FM but in real life he's proven that he only cares about himself and becoming the next Ronaldo.
 
dasty said:
And why the **** would he need to go to a smaller club to rebuild himself? He is still one of the best managers in the world and has no reason to do so. He had a terrible HALF season and suddenly he is now a bad manager that needs to prove himself all over again? Give me a break.
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If you want new manager to be someone who's been increasingly acting like a total nervous wreck for last couple of years, be my guest. It's your club.

Just don't be surprised if it ends in tears, because it probably will.
 
Tyton said:
If you want new manager to be someone who's been increasingly acting like a total nervous wreck for last couple of years, be my guest. It's your club.

Just don't be surprised if it ends in tears, because it probably will.
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I kinda think the Mourinho we would see now would be a different one, which makes it more of an exciting prospect for me rather than say if he had come from a success story. Mainly because he now has a point to prove, people are doubting him and he knows that if he fails again, there will be serious question marks on him as a manager. He wants to leave with a legacy in the game, he has all the tools, just whether his ego will prevent him, hopefully he has learnt from his last experience. He is one of the greatest managers in the game so he can clearly adapt to to different clubs and he plays the football depending on his team and the opponent. But in reality I'd imagine he'd be more than conservative with this team. But no one can predict what Mourinho would bring or his plans for that matter.
 
Tyton said:
If you want new manager to be someone who's been increasingly acting like a total nervous wreck for last couple of years, be my guest. It's your club.

Just don't be surprised if it ends in tears, because it probably will.
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He only acted like a nervous wreck for 6 months

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