The Manchester United Thread

[Scouseinthehouse]

I know, but still the point stands, you surely must realise you are not going to be tempting to players outside of Champions League?

I mean you may attract the odd German who loves Klopp, like Gotze, which would be a massive coup given the circumstances, but still.

There wasn't any real top bracket 'name' being discussed was there outside of the continued Gotze rumours from Germany and his relationship with Klopp?

The recent example to the 'Champions League' point would be Matip turning down Bayern and guaranteed success to come. They went in hard for him by he and his agents own admission. The managers a leveller somewhat to a lot of players the Continent.

FWIW, unless there's someone of that ilk (Gotze) available that fits, I don't think we'd be going after that sort of name anyway. Klopp's far more about coaching players up and getting the right players for him that fit. Whereas Ed's more about the major name that sells jersey's and pulls in sponsors.

 

[sunilvk7]

Yeh I heard this, but still, doesn't change the fact that Atletico are a well run football club and do a lot of good transfer business. Woodward is a good commercial guy but he's in the wrong job, his lack of know how in this role I think does have an effect on some of our deals.

Still if Mourinho wants to bring him in, have faith that he think Berta can do a better job than Woodward in this field.

So being "football man" is not all that important as long as they do proper job. Woodward has completed most of the signings manager wanted, he is not the one who is scouting players. We have a team for that. Woodward role is to get the player and he is doing good job.

Saying that, from what I read this Berta guy is highly rated and has eye for talent. If so hopefully we get him along with Jose.

Woodward is not in a wrong job. He knows how to make money and how to spend it. It's the people between who aren't doing the job.

 

[sunilvk7]

Yes I find it rather odd as well, I mean over ln the looney thread they are talking about players of the ilk of Gotze, without champions league. I mean unless he is totally in love with Klopp (which I admit is a possibility) I could never see him leaving Bayern to then join a club in Europa League.

I can see him joining Liverpool. Like I said, Champions league is a good tool to attract players but that's not be all and end all. Players like Yaya, Silva, Dzeko all moved to City when they were not in CL. Gotze is hardly a youngster, he has not improved at all and he is a part player at Bayern.

He need a club where he can play all the time and he knows what to expect from Klopp. So this might happen considering the massive wages PL clubs can pay.

What I have issue with is, few saying ManUtd can't sign players as they are not in CL and at the same time discussing Reus moving to Liverpool. How few say ManUtd's pull is not that great as they are on decline and at the same time they say Liverpool pull shouldn't be underestimated especially in Europe.

Full of contradictions. Tbf, it's not even few. It's just one and everyone knows who that 'contradicting one' is.

 

[sunilvk7]

Here we go again with Woodward.
Dont poke it.

Just clarifying few things for zz

Being a banker shouldn't be used as stick to beat them when there are many examples of successful managers/CEOs/Sporting directors who were from "Outside football"

 

[sunilvk7]

Whereas Ed's more about the major name that sells jersey's and pulls in sponsors.

Herrera, Shaw, Rojo, Blind, Depay, Darmian, Schneiderlin, Romero, Martial were all big names and for selling jerseys.

Only Di Maria, Falcao and Schweinsteiger were big stars and no club would turn down Di Maria if they have money to buy him.

Only in England people moan about targeting big players to improve squad. Not sure how this "selling jerseys" myth had legs to survive this long when there are 100s of articles to prove it wrong.

 

[epic terrorist]

Really do not get the woodward rhetoric at all, he has two qualities you want, makes a **** tonne of money and can close a deal. Its not like he wull be identifying your targets. Think some people just like to clutch at stuff to moan about, and need to take a step back and think about it logically.

 

[Theatre of dreams]

A few reports coming from Holland that we have agreed to sign Tahith Chong, Feyernoords and Hollands hottest prospects. To be announced soon.

 

[kitchin75]

Really do not get the woodward rhetoric at all, he has two qualities you want, makes a **** tonne of money and can close a deal. Its not like he wull be identifying your targets. Think some people just like to clutch at stuff to moan about, and need to take a step back and think about it logically.

now you are just being silly internet and logic

 

[Mike.]

This post might look completely out of blue as im not arsed to quote the relevant post.

Mighty Liverpool can sign class players if they are not in CL but poor ManUtd should be in CL to sign any decent player. Atleast thats what i read in the combination of 2 threads.

Not sure whether they/someone are trolls or just retarded not to see the contradiction.

The theory of this is that Klopp will improve their pull, makes sense.

But then we are talking about Jose Mourinho, and Mendes backing him, and that's makes us incredibly dangerous in the market

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

The theory of this is that Klopp will improve their pull, makes sense.

But then we are talking about Jose Mourinho, and Mendes backing him.

Absolutely. Mourinho's stature is another leveller again regardless of where Utd finish this year.

Just be nice when that's official (or not) to have something substantial to go on.

 

[Mike.]

Absolutely. Mourinho's stature is another leveller again regardless of where Utd finish this year.

Just be nice when that's official (or not) to have something substantial to go on.

Indeed, though I think it's telling that United are yet to deny this, this time round

 

[Tyton]

Indeed, though I think it's telling that United are yet to deny this, this time round

Seems to be their standard policy to not comment on rumours tbh. Which makes sense, once they comment on one story, they're gonna have to comment on everything, and United rumour mill never slows down.

 

[sunilvk7]

The theory of this is that Klopp will improve their pull, makes sense.

But then we are talking about Jose Mourinho, and Mendes backing him, and that's makes us incredibly dangerous in the market

I agree with Gotze but it was before Klopp became their manager too when it was Reus and how much pull Liverpool have in Europe. At the same time ManUtd can't attract players as they are fallen giants.

 

[Tyton]

I agree with Gotze but it was before Klopp became their manager too when it was Reus and how much pull Liverpool have in Europe. At the same time ManUtd can't attract players as they are fallen giants.

Give it a rest already. You're like toxic ex-girlfriend who won't let go.

 

[sunilvk7]

Give it a rest already. You're like toxic ex-girlfriend who won't let go.

Let go what?

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

United going out to China for a couple of games huh this summer?

The dictating factor at boardroom level of who'll pay the most appearance fee money and have the ability to get the most folk into a ground that overrides everything and completely disrupts big clubs pre-season's today. Sighs. Not naive enough to not accept the major business that is today's game but I hate it all the same.

 

[sunilvk7]

Many reports that Chong is signing for United. He is 16 year old, his hair makes Fellaini's look very decent.

 

[Mike.]

Seems to be their standard policy to not comment on rumours tbh. Which makes sense, once they comment on one story, they're gonna have to comment on everything, and United rumour mill never slows down.

They denied it last time, and denied that he was getting sacked/offered to resign.

 

[Mike.]

I agree with Gotze but it was before Klopp became their manager too when it was Reus and how much pull Liverpool have in Europe. At the same time ManUtd can't attract players as they are fallen giants.

Some people had overcooked that because of their link. But Liverpool will have a better pull on players with money plus Klopp.

If United get Jose, then they will have an even bigger pull, with even more money. Either way, this summer could be an absolute cluster**** with the Euros too.

 

[sunilvk7]

Some people had overcooked that because of their link. But Liverpool will have a better pull on players with money plus Klopp.

If United get Jose, then they will have an even bigger pull, with even more money. Either way, this summer could be an absolute cluster**** with the Euros too.

This summer will be amazing from transfer point of view. Shame Euros will be a big blocking point as many players will wait till Euros is over to complete their move.

If we sign Jose then Jose at ManUtd with loads of money and squad to improve.
Pep at City with loads of money and need replacements.
Conte at Chelsea, again with loads of money
Wenger at Arsenal and after all the abuse he received he might sign few good players.
Klopp at Liverpool. Money plus squad to improve.
Poch at Spurs and they might finish second this season.
West Ham with new TV deal money and also will have spring in their steps moving to their new stadium.
Leicester might be champions and will have loads of money to sign few class players.

This summer should be amazing from transfers point of view.

Again, I agree that Liverpool will have better pull with Klopp in charge and money to burn. (my initial point was about the posts when Rodgers was their manager and how contradicting the views were when it came to transfer targets).

Anyways, back to the point. This summer European clubs will have a field day. English clubs are loaded and they will buy from other leagues. Even a decent talent will cost more than 30 Million now.