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razielioux said:
Jose Mourinho gives Luke Shaw a rocket after Manchester United lose again at Watford | Daily Mail Online

I was pretty shocked when I saw this. Seriously? Is he blaming this kid, who came back after missing one year of footy and actually plays pretty well instead of sending that fat **** #10 to retirement? Beyond ridiculous.
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I've seen every interview of Mourinho since the Watford defeat and don't think he's been harsh at all tbh. Why should he not criticise players who make mistakes etc. I'm interested to know how the Fail know Mou singled out Shaw and seriously singled him out and ripped into Shaw?
 
Bujakaa said:
Same here, and it seems he has groin injury now also...
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It's only natural he's going to pick up niggles after such a long lay off from a serious injury. He will get a rest midweek and should be fine for the weekend I read. He even admits himself his leg hurts him still in training and when he wakes up some mornings.
 
Theatre of dreams said:
I've seen every interview of Mourinho since the Watford defeat and don't think he's been harsh at all tbh. Why should he not criticise players who make mistakes etc. I'm interested to know how the Fail know Mou singled out Shaw and seriously singled him out and ripped into Shaw?
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I honestly haven't been following and it may not of been harsh whatever he's said. But that's where it started at Chelsea.

Thing was he never used to do when he was successful. No doubt he'd rip players a new one behind closed doors. But publicly, in the media, he'd defend them 100%. Players always knew he had their backs regardless and repaid that loyalty by going out and giving everything they had for him on the park.

Then he came back to Chelsea his second go-around and his ego had gotten that big it was EVERYONE but him when it went wrong. He started throwing his players under the bus and he completely lost the dressing room. We know how that all turned out.

This change in his man management is proving to be to his detriment. If, and it's a big 'if' right now but let's play the hypothetical if he's starting out that way again at Utd, he alienates another group of players and they stop playing for him and he failed at Utd; I don't know where his career would be left. Two straight big club disasters where he's fostered an insular, toxic atmosphere ..... Who of any note would touch him after that? Dangerous game to play.

He came back after his break from Chelsea saying he'd changed but it seem's exactly the same Mourinho to me. And that's not a good one when things aren't going smoothly.
 
United have had far worse 3 game slumps than this before. No one else remember the week of ****?
 
Tyton said:
There's no way he has straight "must play if fit" clause, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was sponsor related.
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There won't be a playing clause at all. Rooney has a massive influence among players, both those he plays with and against. The problem is that his body won't do what his mind wants it to do. Every new manager, club and country seems to think they can be the one to revitalise a player who genuinely was world class. No one wants to be the one to say he's done.
 
IT HAS been pretty clear this week that Jose Mourinho’s Manchester United are not working. The team simply aren’t functioning.
I don’t believe the players are not good enough. It is a failure, so far, to find a system to suit those players.

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Jose Mourinho is struggling to get the best out of his stars
Wayne Rooney has copped a lot of the flak. For me, it’s far too easy to just assert “Rooney’s finished” or claim he “can’t run any more” or has lost the ability to pick his passes.
The truth is that, with a top manager, tactics determine the personnel.
For me, Zlatan Ibrahimovic is still an outstanding player. Paul Pogba, too, proved at Juventus that he is outstanding. Rooney is still a very good player.
The question is: can you bring these three together in a way that will be successful for United?
If you play 4-2-3-1 — the system Mourinho has preferred since he turned up at Real Madrid six years ago — then either your fastest or slowest attacking player has to be the centre-forward.
If it’s the fastest United player, that would be Marcus Rashford or Anthony Martial in the attacking four.
They would be used to run in behind and stretch the game, to create space in behind.
With the slowest player, Rooney or Ibrahimovic — neither have the pace of the other attacking players — would drop off, creating a vacuum of space behind them for the quicker players to attack into.

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Wayne Rooney, in particular, has been singled out for criticism
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Zlatan Ibrahimovic has struggled after a flying startIt’s very difficult to play that system if you have a centre-forward in Ibra who drops and a No  10 in Rooney who doesn’t naturally go in behind.
It’s even tougher if Pogba also tries to come into that same area from midfield.
You end up with three of United’s main players pretty much holding hands and nobody going in behind and stretching the opposition.
United’s opponents are happy to see the three of them bunched together. The last thing they’d want is Ibrahimovic, Rooneyand Pogba each operating in a different attacking role. That would be a nightmare.
That’s not happened, though. They have all been in the same part of the pitch. Mourinho has to sort that out.
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United have the players to operate in a 4-3-3, then it comes down to who Mourinho wants in the team.
Ibra scored countless goals last season for PSG, a side that played 4-3-3. Pogba did very well at Juventus in a 4-3-3, first with Andrea Pirlo holding and then Claudio Marchisio.
Pogba seems best suited to a 4-3-3, probably with Michael Carrick sitting and with Ander Herrera as the other player, although you could use Morgan Schneiderlin as well, or even Henrikh Mkhitaryan.
Carrick or Schneiderlin would offer a better defensive shield for the team and also allow Pogba more freedom to attack.
You have to have Ibra as the focal point, with two from Mkhitaryan, Rashford and Martial on either side and the width coming from the full-backs.
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Manchester United lose 3-1 at Watford - Jose Mourinho's third loss in a rowBut where do you play Rooney in that system? It’s wrong to write him off. He deserves more respect than that and he has been an unbelievable player at Old Trafford.
I still believe all three of them are very important players for United but it’s harder to create a situation where you should have all three on the pitch at the same time.
So Mourinho has to decide if there’s a system to get the best out of all three together — or if he has to make a change.
A lot of people are calling for Rooney to come out of the team.
That’s not necessarily my opinion but if you are going to go down that path, then it makes sense to play Mkhitaryan at No10 instead.
Ibra will then be your slowest in the front four. Maybe it is going to come to that.
 
Mike. said:
There won't be a playing clause at all.....
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Yeah, as I replied to zz I couldn't believe that at all from a major club. ANY club with something like that in a contract would be foolish to be kind. You could only possibly see a lesser club maybe try tempt a star player to stay with something like that but even then I'm struggling to believe any club would be that stupid.

Mike. said:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...SunFootball-_-20160919-_-Football-_-590763269

Sorry scouse, I know it s the S*n, but higginbotham's colmun is ace. I'll try copy it out so you don't have to go to the site
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I wouldn't of done naturally, but I greatly appreciate the sentiment mate. It wouldn't be right of me to dictate what people post or chose to read regardless of personal feelings, but thank you for the thought.
 
Mike. said:
United have had far worse 3 game slumps than this before. No one else remember the week of ****?
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Well baring a complete disaster, all things being equal it will end tomorrow at Northampton.

Would imagine it'll be a solid side like Feyenoord if not stronger as he could do with as easier a night as possible right?
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Well baring a complete disaster, all things being equal it will end tomorrow at Northampton.

Would imagine it'll be a solid side like Feyenoord if not stronger as he could do with as easier a night as possible right?
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Needs to use that game to set things right, not just win, but give them a humping
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Yeah, as I replied to zz I couldn't believe that at all from a major club. ANY club with something like that in a contract would be foolish to be kind. You could only possibly see a lesser club maybe try tempt a star player to stay with something like that but even then I'm struggling to believe any club would be that stupid.



I wouldn't of done naturally, but I greatly appreciate the sentiment mate. It wouldn't be right of me to dictate what people post or chose to read regardless of personal feelings, but thank you for the thought.
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Scouse, you do realize that this is the internet and that sentence most likely has never been written before? :P
 
Mike. said:
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Phil Jones to be sensationally sold by Jose Mourinho as Arsenal and Liverpool plot January bid]
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What has happened to Phil Jones anyway? I had genuinely forgotten you still had him. Wasn't he quite decent at one point?
 
No, he was always a crook. More than often a *** as well. Sometimes he did ok, just to injure himself in the process.
 
Subtle said:
What has happened to Phil Jones anyway? I had genuinely forgotten you still had him. Wasn't he quite decent at one point?
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he was excellent, then got injured, and has been injured on and off since, and each time he comes back, hes a bit worse.

Ferguson was hugely exaggerating when he compared him to Edwards, but he looked like he had it all. Bar the ability to stay injury free
 
Nothing more than bad luck with injuries, I'll never forget the time he done a number on Cristiano Ronaldo under Ferguson. He's a terrific man marker, strong, aggressive (in fact maybe a little bit too aggressive/fearless, which got him one or two of the lengthy injuries), decent on the ball, and if he can get a bit of rub of the green with remaining injury free, and rediscover the form he once had, then he can be a top defender for any English club, and the national team.
 
RhQQ said:
Nothing more than bad luck with injuries, I'll never forget the time he done a number on Cristiano Ronaldo under Ferguson. He's a terrific man marker, strong, aggressive (in fact maybe a little bit too aggressive/fearless, which got him one or two of the lengthy injuries), decent on the ball, and if he can get a bit of rub of the green with remaining injury free, and rediscover the form he once had, then he can be a top defender for any English club, and the national team.
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Agreed, I just don't think that any top club will now take the risk on him, he needs to go back to a club like West Brom/Stoke level club and re-gain his fitness, form and game time as he won't get it at United.
 
hughesman said:
Agreed, I just don't think that any top club will now take the risk on him, he needs to go back to a club like West Brom/Stoke level club and re-gain his fitness, form and game time as he won't get it at United.
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I'm wondering would a loan move not be more suited? Something like Arsenal done with Wilshere.
 
RhQQ said:
I'm wondering would a loan move not be more suited? Something like Arsenal done with Wilshere.
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Think it's time to cut our losses TBH. He's not forced to play even out on loan and the way he plays will always see him picking up injuries imo. Shame because I thought he was good when was fit and not just at CB but DM also. Also think Mou will go big on another top top CB in the summer. Just on another note apparently Barca enquired about Bernardo Mendes the other day from Monaco and his agent Mendes told them that Mourinho and Utd have first option in the summer. And also Mendes has said Utd and Mourinho have made contact with him and Madrid about a move for Isco in Jan.
 
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