Even after that...I don't think he'll sign for us now...
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Even after that...I don't think he'll sign for us now...
They didn't want the money paid to them and that's the reason we couldn't get this deal done. They didn't want money and they didn't accept money to be deposited into their account as explained by the journalist. So in short they blocked the deal using the loop hole or the law that's in their favor.
Tomorrow he will explain his side of things it seems.
A lot of people are saying that Moyes wasn't happy with the price so was trying to get it reduced, nothing to do with Bilbao refusing to accept the buyout clause which they pretty much always aim for.
This was twitter source, not sure how reliable it is just like how the Moyes quote was loads of nonsense but somehow many believed it.
3 officials went to office but didn't make payments makes the above article bit more reliable than others tbh.
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United made a bid of 33.3 million for Khedira? Don't understand the logic of trying to sign him if we signed Fellaini too, or was it a fail safe in case the Fellaini dead fell through?
Why would Herrera not want to join us because of this? It's a **** of a lot of money to meet his release clause and I can't see any other top clubs going for him in the near future. He'd be naive to rule out us just for this, Bilbao certainly weren't easy going with this transfer and made it as hard as possible.
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Should get this wrapped up in jan get everything in order before then tax issues,fee,wages etc then should be done deal, then we will love you again Moyes and Woody. While your at that also get Coentrao done aswell
Should get this wrapped up in jan get everything in order before then tax issues,fee,wages etc then should be done deal, then we will love you again Moyes and Woody. While your at that also get Coentrao done aswell
Wishful thinking, Woody we're talking about here, ****** useless. Plus Coentrao will most likely be cup-tied.
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Did you know we have signed a RB swiss u17 int 700k? Just found out on another forum, kid is called Janko.
Nope. We still have key shirt numbers available though, so hopefully Herrera could come in January and he won't be cup-tied because they are not in any European competition.
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Manchester United have paid FC Zurich £700,000 for Switzerland Under-18 starlet Saidy Janko, who has been called a 'super talent'.
Janko, 17, can play anywhere down the right hand side from full back to wide attack and possesses outstanding pace and strength for his age. United spotted him at this year's Fifa Blue Stars tournament in Switzerland in which his FC Zurich side retained their title with a 4-0 win over Botafogo in the final. Reds coaches got a good look at Janko in the group stages as he helped Zurich to a 0-0 draw against a Manchester United side which featured Adnan Januzaj. Janko was then invited over to Manchester for a trial in which he impressed before deciding to quit Zurich to move to United on a permanent deal. FC Zurich general manager Massimo Rizzo told Der Bund: "We advised Saidy not to move abroad too soon but there was nothing that we could do to change his mind." United are understood to have offered his family a relocation package so the youngster will settle quickly into his new surroundings and have agreed to pay Zurich additional cash based on his eventual first-team appearances which could take the total fee above £1million.
Janko, 17, can play anywhere down the right hand side from full back to wide attack and possesses outstanding pace and strength for his age. United spotted him at this year's Fifa Blue Stars tournament in Switzerland in which his FC Zurich side retained their title with a 4-0 win over Botafogo in the final. Reds coaches got a good look at Janko in the group stages as he helped Zurich to a 0-0 draw against a Manchester United side which featured Adnan Januzaj. Janko was then invited over to Manchester for a trial in which he impressed before deciding to quit Zurich to move to United on a permanent deal. FC Zurich general manager Massimo Rizzo told Der Bund: "We advised Saidy not to move abroad too soon but there was nothing that we could do to change his mind." United are understood to have offered his family a relocation package so the youngster will settle quickly into his new surroundings and have agreed to pay Zurich additional cash based on his eventual first-team appearances which could take the total fee above £1million.
So while Real Madrid were getting their man from the Premier League, in Gareth Bale, Manchester United couldn't prise theirs from La Liga.
The story of Ander Herrera and the fact that he remains an Athletic Club player now that the transfer market is closed is easier to tell than some people will make it.
Who the three guys who turned up at the Spanish League offices in Madrid might be a curious twist (they turned out to be lawyers for Laffer Abogados, who also worked on the Javi Martinez to Bayern Munich transfer) but they bear no real relation to the heart of the matter.
First, Herrera has all the quality, all the drive, all the technical skills to be a dominant figure in Manchester United's midfield and, in due course, a captain.
Second, I know that he firmly wanted the deal to take place.
Third, he resolved not to follow Javi Martinez's stance and force his way out -- partly because there was very little reaction time for him and his respect for Athletic was sufficiently high that either United did the deal efficiently and hyper-quickly, or else there would be no deal.
Finally, United moved too late.
I know for a fact that David Moyes remains a very firm appreciator of Ander's talents. One of the barriers to him pushing United very hard to pay the full €36 million was that he, quite sensibly, worried about how little personal scouting he'd been able to do on the player over the past few months. That process will now begin to ramp up and, who knows, there may be a time in the next two markets when the United manager is remorseless in making sure that a deal is struck.
Moyes had a view on what value he placed on the deal right now and that's the territory of a smart man. Buy the right player at the right price in the right way -- not in a hurry at the tab end of a transfer window.
What transpired, however, is that United weren't equipped to take a firm decision early enough about how hard to go in for Herrera and, once the bean-counters at the top of the club did indeed decide to pay €36 million, there was insufficient corporate savvy about how to get that done.
Indeed there remained, for too long, an idea that Athletic President Josu Urrutia would simply roll over at the last minute and drop his price. Those who thought that clearly haven't been following the episodes of Javi Martinez to Bayern or Fernando Llorente to Juventus.
United's executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward may prove to be a whizz at transfers in due course -- the transfer market is full of misinformation and treachery -- but this summer United lacked the know-how, experience and the cojones needed to cut through the rubbish and either get good deals done early or convert unmissable late opportunities if, unfortunately, they present themselves at the eleventh hour.
Dare I say that United need a director of football, an expert in how these things are achieved quietly and efficiently, to join Mr Woodward's staff?
I'm sure the United manager will be reviewing exactly how well his needs have been served by those who are charged with seeing through the transfer business this summer. For the new manager to achieve what he was brought in for he's going to need better support than he's been given this during this fraught transfer window.
Summertime and the living isn't easy - ESPN FC
Let's just hope lessons have been learnt and we go back in for him the moment the January window opens.
The story of Ander Herrera and the fact that he remains an Athletic Club player now that the transfer market is closed is easier to tell than some people will make it.
Who the three guys who turned up at the Spanish League offices in Madrid might be a curious twist (they turned out to be lawyers for Laffer Abogados, who also worked on the Javi Martinez to Bayern Munich transfer) but they bear no real relation to the heart of the matter.
First, Herrera has all the quality, all the drive, all the technical skills to be a dominant figure in Manchester United's midfield and, in due course, a captain.
Second, I know that he firmly wanted the deal to take place.
Third, he resolved not to follow Javi Martinez's stance and force his way out -- partly because there was very little reaction time for him and his respect for Athletic was sufficiently high that either United did the deal efficiently and hyper-quickly, or else there would be no deal.
Finally, United moved too late.
I know for a fact that David Moyes remains a very firm appreciator of Ander's talents. One of the barriers to him pushing United very hard to pay the full €36 million was that he, quite sensibly, worried about how little personal scouting he'd been able to do on the player over the past few months. That process will now begin to ramp up and, who knows, there may be a time in the next two markets when the United manager is remorseless in making sure that a deal is struck.
Moyes had a view on what value he placed on the deal right now and that's the territory of a smart man. Buy the right player at the right price in the right way -- not in a hurry at the tab end of a transfer window.
What transpired, however, is that United weren't equipped to take a firm decision early enough about how hard to go in for Herrera and, once the bean-counters at the top of the club did indeed decide to pay €36 million, there was insufficient corporate savvy about how to get that done.
Indeed there remained, for too long, an idea that Athletic President Josu Urrutia would simply roll over at the last minute and drop his price. Those who thought that clearly haven't been following the episodes of Javi Martinez to Bayern or Fernando Llorente to Juventus.
United's executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward may prove to be a whizz at transfers in due course -- the transfer market is full of misinformation and treachery -- but this summer United lacked the know-how, experience and the cojones needed to cut through the rubbish and either get good deals done early or convert unmissable late opportunities if, unfortunately, they present themselves at the eleventh hour.
Dare I say that United need a director of football, an expert in how these things are achieved quietly and efficiently, to join Mr Woodward's staff?
I'm sure the United manager will be reviewing exactly how well his needs have been served by those who are charged with seeing through the transfer business this summer. For the new manager to achieve what he was brought in for he's going to need better support than he's been given this during this fraught transfer window.
Summertime and the living isn't easy - ESPN FC
Let's just hope lessons have been learnt and we go back in for him the moment the January window opens.
Would be nice.... but I can't honestly see it happening. Idk what I'm dreading the most at the moment, I think the wing positions are of main concern, so many players out of form. I'd honestly go for Zaha next game with Kagawa on the left. Rooney or Fellaini in the no.10 position, depending on if Rooney's fit. If he is then Fellaini and Carrick in midfield might be a nice partnership to form.
No. Just no.
Yes lets do an Everton.... you know Moyes wants toThrow Fellaini behind the striker.
The only point in signing him is to add grit to midfield. Putting him higher up just puts us back to square one.