The Manchester United Thread

zzeezzy said:
Look how Dortmund played against Madrid missing 6 key players, you can hardly tell me if David Moyes was in charge they would play like that.

I'm not blaming Moyes for tonight really, but I don't think he helps the situation one bit. I'd go knocking to Klopp now, what has he got to achieve with Dortmund now.
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Klopp has had several years to get to where he wants with Dortmund. You think that was done in a season?

We didnt have our best striker, our best right back, our best creative player is ineligible, our next best striker was semi hobbled.
 
Mike. said:
Klopp has had several years to get to where he wants with Dortmund. You think that was done in a season?
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No, but then again there has been no signs in Moyes first season that points to any direction, let alone a good one.
 
zzeezzy said:
No, but then again there has been no signs in Moyes first season that points to any direction, let alone a good one.
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Thats where next season sinks him (or makes him). By the way Klopp has said he wont leave and also said while other mangers say it and don't mean, he means it.
 
Vanjagl said:
Sorry, but Real =/= Bayern. No-one can get more possession than Bayern, I would argue not even Barcelona.
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Yup. Chelsea also tried to press them in the SuperCup and they ended parking the bus for 120 minutes. If Mourinho and Klopp, who are experts at this style of football, couldn't find a way to press Bayern, I sure as **** wouldn't expect Moyes to pull it off with 7th team of the Prem.
 
United played alright. Bayern weren't too good, but even an off form Bayern has enough to beat 99% of teams
 
Tyton said:
Yup. Chelsea also tried to press them in the SuperCup and they ended parking the bus for 120 minutes. If Mourinho and Klopp, who are experts at this style of football, couldn't find a way to press Bayern, I sure as **** wouldn't expect Moyes to pull it off with 7th team of the Prem.
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Actually Klopp did and the genius Pep just countered it brilliantly. He played Martinez as striker and bypassed midfield to escape Dortmund's pressing.

Pep is a genius, a brilliant manager who can bring new ideas even for the teams like West Ham and Stoke
 
sunilvk7 said:
Actually Klopp did and the genius Pep just countered it brilliantly. He played Martinez as striker and bypassed midfield to escape Dortmund's pressing.

Pep is a genius, a brilliant manager who can bring new ideas even for the teams like West Ham and Stoke
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Yup. He has whole bag of tricks to escape pressing. The other one is when defense drops so deep they are almost at the goal line, exchanging passes.
 
sunilvk7 said:
Actually Klopp did and the genius Pep just countered it brilliantly. He played Martinez as striker and bypassed midfield to escape Dortmund's pressing.

Pep is a genius, a brilliant manager who can bring new ideas even for the teams like West Ham and Stoke
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No one doubts that Pep is a very clever manager but sometime he can be too clever for his own good. He needs to marry his innovative tactics with a bit more pragmatism. Also I am not quite sure West Ham or Stoke players will be efficient in his system which usually require a lot of 'footballing intelligence'
 
Alcaraz said:
No one doubts that Pep is a very clever manager but sometime he can be too clever for his own good. He needs to marry his innovative tactics with a bit more pragmatism. Also I am not quite sure West Ham or Stoke players will be efficient in his system which usually require a lot of 'footballing intelligence'
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Best Manager in the world and he can improve any team's intelligence with his training methods.

Not sure what's "he is too clever for his own good" means as he was always very innovative with his ideas and also reacts to any changes made by opposing team.

Btw, almost same players and there is a lot of change in Martinez's Everton and Moyes', so I'm sure Pep can do that to any team.
 
sunilvk7 said:
Best Manager in the world and he can improve any team's intelligence with his training methods.

Not sure what's "he is too clever for his own good" means as he was always very innovative with his ideas and also reacts to any changes made by opposing team.

Btw, almost same players and there is a lot of change in Martinez's Everton and Moyes', so I'm sure Pep can do that to any team.
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Read Michael ***'s most recent article in the Guardian. Also Robben alluded to this earlier in the season when he said that 'some people make football more complicated than it really is'
 
Alcaraz said:
Read Michael ***'s most recent article in the Guardian. Also Robben alluded to this earlier in the season when he said that 'some people make football more complicated than it really is'
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Few Milan players also said Sacchi's methods were taxing and took a lot out of them mentally but that's how it is done. They improved their tactics and out smarted everyone.

Btw, link for that Robben article?
 
sunilvk7 said:
Few Milan players also said Sacchi's methods were taxing and took a lot out of them mentally but that's how it is done. They improved their tactics and out smarted everyone.

Btw, link for that Robben article?
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A bit hard to find that article considering Robben said it at the start of the season. Did you read Michael ***'s article? Also Robben never said Pep's tactics were mentally taxing but were simply more complicated than it should be. It's one of the reasons Bayern didn't simply destroy United because Pep decided to try this completely strange formation which didn't really work. Again read ***'s article
 
Interesting article I found about last nites Bayern match. I must confess that I also thought at the time that substituting Chicha for Fletch was ridiculous and an invitation to overrun us in mf.

When Manchester United kick off their first Europa League match at the start of August, the 22 seconds for which they led Bayern Munich will be a distant memory. For all the hope of vindication those 22 seconds offered David Moyes, the upshot is that, barring a miracle in the final five matches of the Premier League, the English champions will enter their first campaign outside the Champions League in 19 years. Moyes may have been beating the best with just over half an hour remaining on Wednesday night, but there is a sense that it will soon be forgotten.


United's exit is difficult to take given the uncertain future that now awaits. Following the heavy defeats at home to Liverpool and Manchester City in March, the two matches against Bayern provided a welcome distraction, a chance to dream amid a nightmare season. But as the dust settles it will count for little that Moyes' finest achievements have come in Europe's elite competition. Aside from the 2-0 defeat to Olympiakos, the manager has looked comfortable at this level - from the thrashings of Bayer Leverkusen through to the 57th minute in the Allianz Arena when Patrice Evra rifled United into the lead. However, in the context of the Premier League campaign United have never looked less deserving of a place in the top four, a failure for which Moyes deserves a significant share of the blame and could eventually pay for with his job.


It should be said that Moyes got most of his big decisions right against Bayern. There will be complaints from particularly demanding quarters about the continuing absence of an expansive style of play, but Bayern are clearly a superior side and had to be handled accordingly. As in the first leg, United's compact shape and promising bursts on the counter-attack offered hope that this wasn't mission impossible. The encouragement of a 0-0 scoreline at half-time was augmented by Bayern's attack being reduced to an Arjen Robben raffle - the Dutchman missing the target with each of his five attempts and Bayern failing to test David De Gea with 12 shots in total.


United were also guilty of being wasteful, however. Similar to the 1-1 draw at Old Trafford, they were presented with the best chance of the first half when a searching ball from Darren Fletcher found Wayne Rooney in space. The England striker bemoaned Danny Welbeck's generosity to scuff a chip into the hands of Manuel Neuer last week but, given his own opportunity to fire United into the lead, he hesitated in trying to switch the ball to his stronger foot. It set the tone for a disappointing performance from Rooney, with two further chances resulting in scuffed attempts rather than the venom of Evra's blistering opener.


The left-back's goal brought the game to life. It may have been 'job done' for United before the break as they continued to make Bayern sweat, but it was largely tedious viewing underlined by De Gea to Welbeck being the most frequent passing combination for the visitors. Not that Moyes will care. His game plan was developing perfectly until Evra's drive afforded him his Mourinho moment. As with the Chelsea manager at Stamford Bridge on Tuesday, Moyes kept his head amid the frantic scenes on the touchline, grabbing Fletcher to give the midfielder instructions on what to do next.


United barely had chance to compute the manager's words. Almost as soon as the match restarted, Franck Ribery evaded Phil Jones down the left and crossed for Mario Mandzukic to level the score. "If you're a schoolboy you get told 'make sure once you score, don't concede right away'," said Moyes in his post-match interview. "We conceded too quickly. It was always going to be a tough night and, after we got the first goal, we needed to give ourselves five or ten minutes where we could stop them getting the ball."


The failure to prevent Bayern's equaliser was only partly responsible for United's downfall. Despite the draining effect of Mandzukic's header, the visitors were still very much in the tie, needing to resort to their previous resilience to force the match into extra-time. Instead, the game was lost as United's shape disintegrated - an issue that was exacerbated by Javier Hernandez replacing Fletcher after Thomas Muller squeezed in Bayern's second.


It seemed that Moyes only had one plan, and a limited one at that. Whereas John Terry revealed that Chelsea "worked all week on what we do at 1-0, 2-0, 2-1" against Paris St-Germain before the Blues' 2-0 victory on Tuesday, United's blueprint failed to extend past 0-0. The immediate collapse after Evra's goal did not undo all the good work that had come before; it was United's failure to reorganise themselves in the nine-minute window between Mandzukic and Muller's strikes that ultimately cost them.

Perhaps that is the fault of Moyes or perhaps, with six players who have previously represented the club in Champions League finals in the team, there was enough experience on the pitch to take control of the situation. In truth, this is mere preparation for the post-mortem that is about to take place. Moyes pointed to two deflections in the build-up to Robben's strike sealing Bayern's victory, but the finer margins of Wednesday's defeat are mere drops of rain in a sea of unrest at Old Trafford.

No sooner had Moyes finished bemoaning United's luck in his post-match interview than the questions turned to his plans to sign new players now the club can no longer offer Champions League football. Speaking about potential targets, the manager said: "They know it'll be a short thing, not a long thing." Whether it his responsibility to ensure that prophecy is realised appears yet to be decided.
 
The same lack of re-organising did for us vs Madrid last season. We've slacked off on that in the last few years, need to get much sharper.
 
Theatreof Dreams said:
Hope we have scouts watching Rakitic tonight has been different class, would be great signing.
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has been all season. he is Sevilla. On the other hand, he loves them and the city. Harder to tempt him away than it is to buy him.
 
Mike. said:
has been all season. he is Sevilla. On the other hand, he loves them and the city. Harder to tempt him away than it is to buy him.
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I wouldn't be so sure, contract talks have stalled after almost a year. His agent is his brother so I'd assume he's not just a moneygrabbing ****. I believe if a bid from any half-decent team is accepted, he's off.
 
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