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I think that if SAF signs Kagawa, we still need a cultured CMd to play a holding role with Carrick/Scholes. Asamoah from Udinese would be really good or even Cabaye from Newcastle I think.

Asamoah I see as a ball winner but he is quite cultured as well, would be perfect for us. Not sure Cabaye would be, we have someone very similar in Carrick, deep-lying playmaker, we 100% need a ball winning type midfielder in this 4-2-3-1 formation though, someone who can help out the defence etc.
 
Not off topic at all mate. Honestly I dont know. Personally I'd be tempted to cut our losses.

I agree with you here. Anderson has tremendous potential but he is again injured. Would be better to sell him. Not to mention how inconsistent he is
 
The movement he makes around the box is different from what we expect from CM (Like Scholes). And if we need to overload the opposition, we can just play welbeck, Hernandez and play Rooney behind them. It doesn't make us any defensively weaker than playing Kagawa.

Anyways will see how many games he will play as CM. I'm sure we wont see him playing as CM if we sign as he isn't.

You're just being ridiculous with hyperbole now. The inherent difference between the two systems is huge.
 
The movement he makes around the box is different from what we expect from CM (Like Scholes). And if we need to overload the opposition, we can just play welbeck, Hernandez and play Rooney behind them. It doesn't make us any defensively weaker than playing Kagawa.

Anyways will see how many games he will play as CM. I'm sure we wont see him playing as CM if we sign as he isn't.

CMs are not all the same.

He drives forwards, or he stops drops and bends his runs. He has a brilliant eye for space.

And actually what you suggest doesn't overload them, nor is it even the same formation. The whole of overloading a point is by creating an attack they cant track or defend, in this case, a dangerous runner from deep to space created in front of him. Yes he is an AM, but could serve as a dangerous offensive option from MC.
 
Its really shame that Anderson was injured after the way he started the season but I dont think we will sell him after what SAF said. Anderson wanted to leave but SAF persuaded him to stay. He has so much trust on him and he is still young player.

Anderson is just year older than Clvereley. Both have similar injury records. One has played at top level for 5 years and other just for 2 years. Hopefully SAF has bit more patience with Anderson as all he needs is luck with injuries.

Also I dont buy this "Anderson is very inconsistent" just like I dont buy it for Nani. They need run of games to get their game going and when they get they usually does well.
 
Spot on, only thing is he doesn't have the work rate of Park or even defensive capabilities.

I think we will play Rooney as lone striker or like we used to play earlier no striker formation with him dropping deep with Kagawa, Nani, Valenica making runs.

I have not seen much of Kagawa but I thought his work rate was meant to be really good? From what I have heard he has a high work rate, could be wrong though.
 
I agree with you here. Anderson has tremendous potential but he is again injured. Would be better to sell him. Not to mention how inconsistent he is

Really dont know what to do with him. Cant keep form cos he cant stay fit.
 
I have not seen much of Kagawa but I thought his work rate was meant to be really good? From what I have heard he has a high work rate, could be wrong though.

He does actually work quite hard, is not lazy by any means
 
I rate Anderson, he just needs a good run of games to get his fitness and confidence back. It's a real shame his career has been littered with injuries - he puts on a shed load of weight and then struggles for fitness and takes too long to get back to his best again. There is still a chance for him though, last season he started well and before that he had a good end to the season. I think he benefitted from a proper preseason (his first with us without injury I think), so hopefully he can do the same, avoid injury and push on. Don't give up on him yet!
 
You're just being ridiculous with hyperbole now. The inherent difference between the two systems is huge.

Not really. Rooney at CM is better defensively than Kagawa. Also work rate.

CMs are not all the same.

He drives forwards, or he stops drops and bends his runs. He has a brilliant eye for space.

And actually what you suggest doesn't overload them, nor is it even the same formation. The whole of overloading a point is by creating an attack they cant track or defend, in this case, a dangerous runner from deep to space created in front of him. Yes he is an AM, but could serve as a dangerous offensive option from MC.

Well surely I haven't seen Kagawa making those dangerous runs from the deep (As he always plays close to striker), if he can and does at United then even better. But from what I have seen he is superb AM and I didn't see anything to make me believe that he can play as CM.

If he proves me wrong, I would be very glad, till then if we sign him I would love to see him playing as AM with free role as it is where he was amazing for Dortmund.
 
I have not seen much of Kagawa but I thought his work rate was meant to be really good? From what I have heard he has a high work rate, could be wrong though.

He does actually work quite hard, is not lazy by any means

Not lazy but not like Park where he used his amazing work rate to track everyone and anyone when played as CM to overcome his other shortcomings.
 
Asamoah I see as a ball winner but he is quite cultured as well, would be perfect for us. Not sure Cabaye would be, we have someone very similar in Carrick, deep-lying playmaker, we 100% need a ball winning type midfielder in this 4-2-3-1 formation though, someone who can help out the defence etc.

Ideally you want a versatile ball winner, who has more than to their game, which is why Cabaye would fit perfectly, more mobile and more aggressive than Carrick, but still with a very good range.
 
Ideally you want a versatile ball winner, who has more than to their game, which is why Cabaye would fit perfectly, more mobile and more aggressive than Carrick, but still with a very good range.
Could do a lot worse than cabaye work rate is immense and passing this seas long and short has bin right up there.
 
Not really. Rooney at CM is better defensively than Kagawa. Also work rate.

a) You said Rooney behind Welbeck and Hernandez, implying Rooney in AM not CM.
b) That's just a slightly more attacking setup than what we usually had this year, and even used at times we had no other CM, it doesn't 'overload' them per se.
 
I read an article on the BBC recently where Alan Pardew mentioned Cabaye as a potentially good fit for Man United. He was asked about whether Newcastle would be able to keep all their top players and he mentioned a potential situation where United would want Cabaye and he would not be able to stop him from leaving. Maybe some clever marketing on his part :)
 
a) You said Rooney behind Welbeck and Hernandez, implying Rooney in AM not CM.
b) That's just a slightly more attacking setup than what we usually had this year, and even used at times we had no other CM, it doesn't 'overload' them per se.

It was obvious it was Rooney making those runs from CM to put opposition under pressure as it was what we were discussing about Kagawa.

Yes, Rooney playing as CM was waste of his talents. But if Kagawa can be used as CM and make those runs, so can Rooney who is defensively better and till date more experienced playing that role than Kagawa.

No it doesn't overload when we play normally, but Mike said this:
He also has excellent movement which makes him a dangerous driving CM in games where you need to overload the opposition
So I was giving example of overloading the opposition by playing Rooney as CM. Just an alternative.
 
It was obvious it was Rooney making those runs from CM to put opposition under pressure as it was what we were discussing about Kagawa.

Yes, Rooney playing as CM was waste of his talents. But if Kagawa can be used as CM and make those runs, so can Rooney who is defensively better and till date more experienced playing that role than Kagawa.

No it doesn't overload when we play normally, but Mike said this:

So I was giving example of overloading the opposition by playing Rooney as CM. Just an alternative.

But that isn't Rooneys strength in driving forwards in to space. It is however exactly what Kawaga's game is about.

Rooney excels at creating space and options. You use Rooney to create that space for Kagawa. That is how you overload them.
 
Why would you take Rooney deeper, further away from goal, when you're deliberately trying to score? Nobody here is implying that Kagawa should be played at CM against City, rather that if you're playing against West Ham or someone next year and they're sitting deep, having someone to break from deep in midfield can help create an overload in specific areas of the pitch.
 
But that isn't Rooneys strength in driving forwards in to space. It is however exactly what Kawaga's game is about.

Rooney excels at creating space and options. You use Rooney to create that space for Kagawa. That is how you overload them.

Kagawa can use the space only when he plays behind the striker, not from so deep as the space will be covered easily by the time Kagawa use it.

And Kagawa's strength is playing close to striker and finding space in final third which is very different from making runs from the deep.
 
Kagawa can use the space only when he plays behind the striker, not from so deep as the space will be covered easily by the time Kagawa use it.

And Kagawa's strength is playing close to striker and finding space in final third which is very different from making runs from the deep.

Either you are deliberate being obtuse or you have utterly failed to grasp the idea of what an option is.

Of course you can strike from deep.
 
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