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So basically you didn't deserve anything on the balance of play? Fair play mate


For me, when you have that much of the ball and don't use it well enough, and then are careless in defence, you can have no excuses in defeat. That's my personal standard. We should have killed them off 3 times over, regardless of whether Lloris stays on or not.
 
For me, when you have that much of the ball and don't use it well enough, and then are careless in defence, you can have no excuses in defeat. That's my personal standard. We should have killed them off 3 times over, regardless of whether Lloris stays on or not.

As an Arsenal fan I definitely feel your pain when it comes to such things. Dominating the ball, cocking it up in defence .. argh.
 
As an Arsenal fan I definitely feel your pain when it comes to such things. Dominating the ball, cocking it up in defence .. argh.

Feels good to be on the other side for once though right? Haha
 
Feels good to be on the other side for once though right? Haha

I can't deny that after a couple of late wins, and being the side which had the great amount of comebacks and late goals towards the end of last year, something has definitely changed with the mental determination of the side.
 
Wow... very harsh article on Moyes...

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I kind of can't take this serious though until we actually have a world-class central midfielder in our team.

Oh and why are we being linked with Mata? It would be wasted money we don't need someone in his position.
 
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I kind of can't take this serious though until we actually have a world-class central midfielder in our team.

Oh and why are we being linked with Mata? It would be wasted money we don't need someone in his position.

Thats an annoying article. Claims that the game is sometimes to do with luck, then just puts the blame on moyes.

And we are being linked with Mata because the media wants to sell papers.
 
Wow... very harsh article on Moyes...

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It is not a quirk that sees Barcelona et al choose to take short corners rather than sling the ball into the box. It is a calculated decision that there are easier ways to score. - silly me, all these years I thought its a calculated decision based on always having 7-8 hobbits on the pitch.
 
It is not a quirk that sees Barcelona et al choose to take short corners rather than sling the ball into the box. It is a calculated decision that there are easier ways to score. - silly me, all these years I thought its a calculated decision based on always having 7-8 hobbits on the pitch.

There was some statistical analysis done on throw-ins near the corner flag vs corners and the resulting outcomes, and the result showed that the team was more likely to score from throw-ins than corners. I presume due to the time you get to get the defence in place versus taking a throw in and forcing the opposing team to un-balance or re-adjust. The same idea with a short corner, you're allowing yourself a bit of control whilst forcing them back into the box. A lot of the time it seems sides like Barca want to take a short corner then whip in a low cross from the byline to try and force something to happen as the defense pushes out.

You are right about the team being full of midgets unable to win a header, but there is a reason for this preference where the trend was looked at across multiple leagues and nations.
 
Thats an annoying article. Claims that the game is sometimes to do with luck, then just puts the blame on moyes.

And we are being linked with Mata because the media wants to sell papers.

Read it carefully. Thats not what it says exactly. It says that luck plays a part but that top teams/managers should limit its impact.

And Im not sure its that harsh an article either. Eg in first half vs Spurs where we had "sterile domination" (dont like quoting Wenger a man who gets on my nerves but) we kept going thru Valencia crosses (13 crosses 1 reached UTD player btw!). EINSTEIN once said that the definition of craziness/idiocy is to keep doing the same thing and expect a different result.
 
Read it carefully. Thats not what it says exactly. It says that luck plays a part but that top teams/managers should limit its impact.

And Im not sure its that harsh an article either. Eg in first half vs Spurs where we had "sterile domination" (dont like quoting Wenger a man who gets on my nerves but) we kept going thru Valencia crosses (13 crosses 1 reached UTD player btw!). EINSTEIN once said that the definition of craziness/idiocy is to keep doing the same thing and expect a different result.
And we all know how sane Einstein was...
 
There was some statistical analysis done on throw-ins near the corner flag vs corners and the resulting outcomes, and the result showed that the team was more likely to score from throw-ins than corners. I presume due to the time you get to get the defence in place versus taking a throw in and forcing the opposing team to un-balance or re-adjust. The same idea with a short corner, you're allowing yourself a bit of control whilst forcing them back into the box. A lot of the time it seems sides like Barca want to take a short corner then whip in a low cross from the byline to try and force something to happen as the defense pushes out.

You are right about the team being full of midgets unable to win a header, but there is a reason for this preference where the trend was looked at across multiple leagues and nations.

Well, I'm not sure if looking at league wide statistical data would be very reliable in this case. Anybody, even me, can send a baloon in general direction of the box, but players who can actually do a long cross properly from the corner with necessary precision and power are about as common as honest politician riding on a unicorn.

Short corner may be more effective but mostly it takes less skill to perform. Put Terry, Vidic and Caroll in one team and have Beckham unretire to hit some corners and they would set defenses on fire.
 
Well, I'm not sure if looking at league wide statistical data would be very reliable in this case. Anybody, even me, can send a baloon in general direction of the box, but players who can actually do a long cross properly from the corner with necessary precision and power are about as common as honest politician riding on a unicorn.

Short corner may be more effective but mostly it takes less skill to perform. Put Terry, Vidic and Caroll in one team and have Beckham unretire to hit some corners and they would set defenses on fire.

I'd agree with that, I thought it was interesting that of the chance of a 'goal scoring chance' being created, corners were less successful than corners, on average - and this made a curiosity of defenders shepherding out the ball for a throw in instead of a corner thinking this is a better outcome, when on average, unless you have Beckham in your team and Stam banging them in, it isn't.
 
And we all know how sane Einstein was...

Very clever. Is that the point really?! Plus he was only one of the cleverest people ever. But is that the point?! The point imho is that Moyes continues to be tactically naive to put it mildly.
 
Very clever. Is that the point really?! Plus he was only one of the cleverest people ever. But is that the point?! The point imho is that Moyes continues to be tactically naive to put it mildly.
Yeah, sorry, my comment was a bit off-topic, I do agree that getting Valencia to repeatedly cross (badly) into the box isn't a good tactic.
 
Did anyone see that stat on SSN the other day about our crossing. Think it was out of 530 crosses this season 423 have either not beat first man or have not reached a united player in the box!
 
No! Garay,Denswil are not as good as what we have already or are at least not an improvement. Vidal and Reus can forget about them and Koke aswell Dout Chelsea would sell us Mata after the Rooney situation and with PSG favourites. Shaw will endup at Chelsea I reckon Barkley cud be a possibalilty with Muric but he is to young to be starting anyways. We should be after players who are realistic.
 
There is no way such a midfield will ever, ever occur. Chelsea are never gonna sell Mata to a rival. Garay and Denswil are not good enough. Vidal *could* be an option, but an expensive one. Koke most probably won't leave, now the WC is so near. Plus, expensive buyout clause in the new contract. Reus, meh. He won't move to United.

Alex Sandro for left, maybe Barkley (seems unrealistic, Everton won't sell, and United don't have that much buying power) or Ward-Prowse for midfield for the future (Lallana quashed a move to United);; Everton Ribeiro would have been a decent option, but he doesn't want to move.. We don't really need another forward upfront, atleast until Summer (Provided Hernandez isn't sold to Arsenal).

Pogba would be an excellent midfield option to get back, but he won't want to move back to United T_T Ravel Morrison seems like a more realistic choice though..

With van Persie's injuries, Rooney can move upfront (Once he recovers from groin injuries), with Kagawa flitting into the AMC role, where he was deadly for BVB. He's been used in different positions, thus never really contributing to United.
 
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Luke Shaw is also a chelsea fan so I am pretty sure if chelsea were interested, he would rather move there. I am pretty sure we will make a move for him in the summer since Ashley Cole's contract is up and he probably won't be offered an extension
 
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