The Manchester United Thread

sunilvk7 said:
No he is not. At one end you are saying Jose achieved all that and more and on the other hand you are saying Pep failed in Europe when they both have won 2 CL titles and Pep at least reach semi finals in every season.

What has Jose done that puts him ahead of others? We are not talking about the past. In last 5 years, he has won 2 league titles. Pep has won more, did more in CL. Simeone won league title with Atletico and was seconds away from winning CL. Blanc did well enough in CL with the new PSG team (Not that he is better), Klopp's achievements in Bundesliga and CL finals are higher than what Jose could do with the most expensive squad in the world with Madrid.

Before this season meltdown I said Jose is not in top 3 and I will stick with that. There are managers doing better in Europe and there is lot of football outside PL.
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This is kind of a needless debate as I don't understand why you would compare managers like Simeone/Klopp with their success at one club to a manager who has done it at multiple clubs. For me he's easily in top 3, success is what it's about and he has a lot of it. No one knows how Pep's style would work in Premier League, for me he is as much of a gamble as anyone in this situation.

Lets be honest here, the decisions the club makes from here on out are crucial for what happens to us over this season and the coming seasons. I am happy that the board are not racing into a decision, but right now, we could do a lot worse than LVG and it would foolish to throw everything he has laid down without seriously having a better option. Right now there isn't so we will have to make do with him until at least end of season in my opinion. If there is any solution right now the only answer is Mourinho, there is no one else.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Keep on telling yerself that too.

Or that you're any closer.
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No. We all know how Liverpool city is all smiles because of Klopp.

Again, what all did he change in the football? I hope Klopp change the face on Indian politics too.
 
zzeezzy said:
This is kind of a needless debate as I don't understand why you would compare managers like Simeone/Klopp with their success at one club to a manager who has done it at multiple clubs. For me he's easily in top 3, success is what it's about and he has a lot of it. No one knows how Pep's style would work in Premier League, for me he is as much of a gamble as anyone in this situation.

Lets be honest here, the decisions the club makes from here on out are crucial for what happens to us over this season and the coming seasons. I am happy that the board are not racing into a decision, but right now, we could do a lot worse than LVG and it would foolish to throw everything he has laid down without seriously having a better option. Right now there isn't so we will have to make do with him until at least end of season in my opinion. If there is any solution right now the only answer is Mourinho, there is no one else.
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I'm not talking about history, I'm talking about in the last 5 years. Otherwise we have to consider Van Gaal for his achievements with Ajax in 1995.
 
It's not that Jose is bad manager. He's ****** fantastic one. Problem is what he does when first rough patch comes. That **** starts to break. And then he breaks. We saw that how many times, 2-3?
 
Vanjagl said:
It's not that Jose is bad manager. He's ****** fantastic one. Problem is what he does when first rough patch comes. That **** starts to break. And then he breaks. We saw that how many times, 2-3?
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Usually it does with LVG as well tbf, the next two games are crucial as to what happens anyway. If we lose to Stoke and Chelsea I can see him as definitely sacked.
 
The talking going on here has just been silly.

Jose is one of the best managers in the world. Hands down. If you think otherwise you have some serious lapse of history and/or knowledge of the world of football.

If Pep isn't available to us because he's chosen Man City, then who else would be world class enough to attempt to face him that's available now? And fyi, Jose won multiple trophies while vs Pep. So the idea that Jose doesn't stand a chance is simple silly
 
Puddz said:
The talking going on here has just been silly.

Jose is one of the best managers in the world. Hands down. If you think otherwise you have some serious lapse of history and/or knowledge of the world of football.

If Pep isn't available to us because he's chosen Man City, then who else would be world class enough to attempt to face him that's available now? And fyi, Jose won multiple trophies while vs Pep. So the idea that Jose doesn't stand a chance is simple silly
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No one here said Jose isn't one of the best managers in the world. Not me, Alcaraz, Zzezzy, Vanjagl and we are the only ppl to post in last few pages.
 
So not among top 3 means not among the best in the world. Phew.

Pep, Simeone, Ancelotti, Blanc and Klopp have done better than him in the last 3-4 seasons. Don't know what's so hard to get in that.
 
Alcaraz said:
And I agree regarding Klopp. He must be feeling like a right tool now. If he waited till the summer, he would have his pick of jobs at big clubs with more resources once Pep chose his. Now he is stuck with a massive rebuilding job at Liverpool with a fraction of the resources that City, United and Chelsea have
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And what in the World makes you think he wouldn't of waited for this perceived better job if he'd wanted one? Everyone knew the probability of a slew of major clubs changing managers next summer.

Why would he not wait for one of those if that was what he wanted?

You're slighting his intelligence, however unintentionally, in saying that whilst you try slight the job and club he's more than happy to be at.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
And what in the World makes you think he wouldn't of waited for this perceived better job if he'd wanted one? Everyone knew the probability of a slew of major clubs changing managers next summer.

Why would he not wait for one of those if that was what he wanted?

You're slighting his intelligence, however unintentionally, in saying that whilst you try slight the job and club he's more than happy to be at.
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Yes because he could have predicted Mourinho getting sacked at Chelsea and LVG on the verge of the sack at United. He could have predicted Guardiola deciding to leave Munich. A lot has changed in past 6 months

And face it Scouse, Chelsea, City and United jobs are all far more attractive than Liverpool job. Those three clubs have more resources, better squads, better youth systems and are firmly in the ascent whereas Liverpool are in a state of flux.
 
Jose is a brilliant manager, and a massive shithouse.

Pep is a brilliant manager and not a massive shithouse.

Choice is easy.
 
Jose is a brilliant manager. I just don't think he fits the profile of United. And he will undo all the good work LVG has done in bringing through youth

Pochettino and Unai Emery are far better options. Sure they lack the star power but they are good young managers who play good football and bring through youth. Proper gentlemen as well or at least better than Jose

Hasnt that what United's philosophy in regards to players was under SAF? Good players at medium clubs who need a bigger stage to shine? It worked very well then so why not try it out with a manager
 
Mike. said:
Jose is a brilliant manager, and a massive shithouse.

Pep is a brilliant manager and not a massive shithouse.

Choice is easy.
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But one is available and other most likely will end up at City because of all the ground work laid in years and the management being best friends with Pep.

Sort of beggars can't be choosers
 
Mike. said:
Jose is a brilliant manager, and a massive shithouse.

Pep is a brilliant manager and not a massive shithouse.

Choice is easy.
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One thing I would say though, if Pep is already City bound, which is likely.

The fear factor of a Jose with a point to prove against everyone is as fearsome as they come. If he brought that kind of aura to United it would certainly be interesting.
 
Looks like the appointment of Jose might actually become a reality.

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Alcaraz said:
Yes because he could have predicted Mourinho getting sacked at Chelsea and LVG on the verge of the sack at United. He could have predicted Guardiola deciding to leave Munich. A lot has changed in past 6 months

And face it Scouse, Chelsea, City and United jobs are all far more attractive than Liverpool job. Those three clubs have more resources, better squads, better youth systems and are firmly in the ascent whereas Liverpool are in a state of flux.
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There was every chance any of Chelsea, Ciry, United, Madrid, Munich and possibly even Arsenal if Wenger won it and called it quits would be up when he took the job in October and you know that full well.

And I love this assertion that every club has so much better prospects. Financially, you've the TV deal kicking in next year. More pertinently, you've another 7 thousand seats and more importantly far greater corporate facilities at Anfield kicking in. With another 6k to be added the following few years. And you've a manager that most players, particularly in Germany, openly say they'd love to play for. This perceived misnomer financially is closing far more than you flippantly keep asserting.

As for the youth side and squad strength, that's completely open to interpretation.

He came because it fits perfectly for him. The traditions and standing of the club, along with the fan bond he relishes and is trying to build back up along with building the team, just fits perfectly for him that he wouldn't get at most anywhere else in England or else he wouldn't be here and he'd of waited.

Yoy can bang on as much as you like about (so called) 'bigger' jobs.

But Liverpool and Liverpool Football Club fits perfectly for him whether anyone likes that or not and he's doubtless sick to the back teeth of saying that and explaining why with the prospects going forward.

We we have our long term manager. Good luck finding yours.
 
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