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Pochettino and Ranieri are getting the most out of their players, that's just something LVG is not doing, despite having more funds and better players at his disposal for the most part.

I'm actually surprised no one has linked us with Ranieri, unless I've missed it. My only slight concern would be his age and whether he plans to have much more in the game. If he wins title with Leicester would be perfect time to bow out.

Moyes used to get the best out of his players...saw how that went.
 
Mourinho is objectively the best manager we can get, only two managers would be a better fit ahead of him: Ancellotti and Guardiola. He's a 3 year manager, but so are the other two, or have people forgotten that?

The simple way you solve that is a with a sporting director: Enter Berta.
 
Moyes used to get the best out of his players...saw how that went.

So what's the answer? We're just acceptably rubbish and can't beat smaller teams?

Although lets be honest, the football under Moyes against smaller teams was better than LVG's. I'd take 80 crosses over what I saw yesterday.

LVG really holds his own against the big teams.
 
Mourinho is objectively the best manager we can get, only two managers would be a better fit ahead of him: Ancellotti and Guardiola. He's a 3 year manager, but so are the other two, or have people forgotten that?

The simple way you solve that is a with a sporting director: Enter Berta.

Mourinho is only a good fit in terms of short-term success, but I still have serious reservations over him as how he will adapt with the United traditions of playing youth.

I'm really not so keen on having Mourinho, the football won't be much better and we will still be bored out of our minds. I want a manager who can bring the excitement and style of attacking play back to United.

My desperation wants Mourinho more than my reality does.
 
So what's the answer? We're just acceptably rubbish and can't beat smaller teams?

Although lets be honest, the football under Moyes against smaller teams was better than LVG's. I'd take 80 crosses over what I saw yesterday.

LVG really holds his own against the big teams.

The answer isn't knee jerk reactions to everything that you keep doing.

You move to the end of the season, appoint a manager and dof and reinforce the side.
 
Mourinho is only a good fit in terms of short-term success, but I still have serious reservations over him as how he will adapt with the United traditions of playing youth.

I'm really not so keen on having Mourinho, the football won't be much better and we will still be bored out of our minds. I want a manager who can bring the excitement and style of attacking play back to United.

My desperation wants Mourinho more than my reality does.

Mourinho may be many things, but he isnt stupid. Chelsea dont have a tradition of youth, United do. And he is capable of attacking football when he wants to be. He played some utterly brilliant stuff at Chelsea (twice) and Madrid.
 
I was just having the same discussion on Ranieri with someone. (On bowing out.).

IF he wins his first title with Leicester, he'd be as well calling it quits. Or maybe the Italian job when Conte goes if they'd want him? All things being equal, the chances are Leicester will be back to mid table- lower half the table next year. And there's no European challenge for him there realistically. So he's only going backwards from the miraculous highs of winning Leicester the league if that happens.

Think I'd be bowing out on the one season super season.

I wouldn't be so sure of Leicester dropping totally off, I mean they could become a real force if their billionaire owners lay down a marker in the summer, keeping their best players and adding to it.

It really depends on what their intentions are, if they sell their best players and don't invest then yes I'd agree. But I'm sure Leicester will try hard to build on this.
 
Dortmund was his side. the exact same thing happened there. Ditto Mainz.

You're really trying to diss his work at both? A side he took up from nowhere that naturally hit it's ceiling given their size and resources and a club he took from the doldrums to be the best in Germany until it had key pieces taken from it?

That's a new one.
 
Ranieri counter-attacking 4-4-2, seems more like better fit to me and old-school United. Whether it would work is a different story but just imagine Martial and Mahrez out wide with say Rashford and Rooney (as he is bound to stay eternally) up front.

Stuff of dreams, probably wouldn't work in the modern game at United like it does for Leicester but **** it would be entertaining. :D
 
You're really trying to diss his work at both? A side he took up from nowhere that naturally hit it's ceiling given their size and resources and a club he took from the doldrums to be the best in Germany until it had key pieces taken from it?

That's a new one.

It's not a new It's an actual flaw in his play, it's what led to the last season falling about. It's not a diss for gods sake. No need to get defensive because he's your manager. Analysis is what I do for a living, **** I got my job based on critiquing Klopp (good and bad).

Christ almighty
 
Eh, we can mock #philosophy all we want, but it does in fact work vs. teams that actually come to win. Otherwise you wouldn't have stellar big game record while having the worst squad of the lot.

It's "park the bus" squad where United consistently struggle. Unfortunately no matter who manager is, there isn't a foolproof way to tactically outmaneuver a team that just sits deep with 10 people. You just need more quality. Mike would probably say you need more tempo, but these things are interconnected. Barca or Bayern can move the ball around at mesmerizing pace, but that's because even the janitor in Barca is more capable with the ball at his feet than the best player at United.

And I'd be wary of theories that, for example, Pochettino comes, changes the style and you're going to magically start crushing teams. You won't, because what works for Spurs doesn't necceserily work for United. People play Spurs to win, but they play United to draw. Big difference.
Teams park the bus against spurs tho.

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I wouldn't be so sure of Leicester dropping totally off, I mean they could become a real force if their billionaire owners lay down a marker in the summer, keeping their best players and adding to it.

It really depends on what their intentions are, if they sell their best players and don't invest then yes I'd agree. But I'm sure Leicester will try hard to build on this.

Mate, this is Leicester City we're talking about. Who do you realistically think of any note would go there? It's been a fairytale season, and all the credit in the World to them. Ranieri's taken an average bunch of pro's, added a couple of very good players into the mix, found a way of playing that suits them; and the belief and hard work has paid off as every last one of them has played above themselves to fantastic results this year. Along with everyone else being as erratically inconsistent as ever. Just one of those brilliant seasons that happens once a blue moon.

But Leicester becoming a 'real force?' When was the last time anyone so much as finished in the top 4 outside of Arsenal, Chelsea, L'pool, Utd or City? Everton in 2005? Newcastle under Keegan before that? Even Blackburn couldn't sustain it with all their riches. Because they're Blackburn. And Leicester are Leicester. Just not an attractive proposition.

Be great to think they could sustain it and keep on upsetting the applecart but the chances are it's just one miraculous season when everything fell into place.
 
It's not a new It's an actual flaw in his play, it's what led to the last season falling about. It's not a diss for gods sake. No need to get defensive because he's your manager. Analysis is what I do for a living, **** I got my job based on critiquing Klopp (good and bad).

Christ almighty

Seems you're getting pretty darn defensive there.

Tell us about that final season. And how he adapted Dortmund's style and changed through it to what he had to work with and how it turned around the second half. Lot of garbage been written in the media about his last year at Dortmund.

Utd would be in a **** of a lot better position going forward with him then what they're left scrambling for now that's a fact.
 
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Ranieri counter-attacking 4-4-2, seems more like better fit to me and old-school United. Whether it would work is a different story but just imagine Martial and Mahrez out wide with say Rashford and Rooney (as he is bound to stay eternally) up front.

Stuff of dreams, probably wouldn't work in the modern game at United like it does for Leicester but **** it would be entertaining. :D

What happens when sides stop giving you space?

Our problem isn't solved by Ranieri, because our problem is the inability to exploit small space. The master being Pep, but also Jose and Ancellotti among "relevant big names".
 
Seems your getting pretty darn defensive there.

Tell us about that final season. And how he adapted Dortmund's style and changed through it to what he had to work with and how it turned around the second half. Lot of garbage been written in the media about his last year at Dortmund.

Utd would be in a **** of a lot better position going forward with him then what they're left scrambling for now that's a fact.

No, it's just you getting defensive as usual, so don't give me that nonsense.

Which media would that be? Since you know, the media isn't one homogenous being.
 
No, it's just you getting defensive as usual, so don't give me that nonsense.

Which media would that be? Since you know, the media isn't one homogenous being.

When you immediately jumped on a jokey line on you missing the boat on Klopp, it read to all intents and purposes as a 'diss' on him. To then respond in a heated fashion comes across as being defensive. It cuts both ways. Clam down. It was a misunderstanding and nothing more.

Our media at large the summer and early season when he was being linked as a possible to all and sundry.
 
What happens when sides stop giving you space?

Our problem isn't solved by Ranieri, because our problem is the inability to exploit small space. The master being Pep, but also Jose and Ancellotti among "relevant big names".

We'd have the magic of Mahrez to get us a goal, just like against Watford. |)
 
Teams park the bus against spurs tho.

Even if they do, there's a difference between being instructed to park the bus, and parking the bus because you're scared shitless of the team that dominated the league for last 25 years. The traditional top 4 have a brand that says "we'll rip you apart". Spurs have a brand that says "we'll ******* do them". Football is as much about tactics as it is about mentality. I wouldn't be surprised if someone analyzed what happens when Spurs lose the ball, and found that opponents tend to take more risks when countering, because "we'll ******* do them".

Leicester are going to have a same problem if they win the league, because then they'll have a brand, and people will stop falling for the trap of Leicester sitting deep and waiting to launch Vardy forward. Liverpool had the same problem after Rodgers second season. They nearly won the league with counter-attacking football, and how long that lasted? Next year every team came packing double banks of four, and Liverpool couldn't do ****, because they weren't set up to break down 10 man defenses.
 
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