The Manchester United Thread

zzeezzy said:
West Ham today..... not confident at all after the ***** we watched in the last game and if we play anything like that today we'll lose. West Ham have a great record against the big teams and I think they'll be tougher opponents than Liverpool if they take this seriously. Basically because West Ham have been a better side than Liverpool this season so it's bound to be as tough if not tougher, only advantage is we are at home but in recent times that seems to be more of a burden.

They got a great manager in Bilic.
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What time does your season end today? ;).

Don't care for Mitten and some of the **** stuff he's said over the years but the latest edition of his fanzine has a real intriguing cover. Apparently another real interesting interview with Scholes too:

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Scouseinthehouse said:
What time does your season end today? ;).

Don't care for Mitten and some of the **** stuff he's said over the years but the latest edition of his fanzine has a real intriguing cover. Apparently another real interesting interview with Scholes too:

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**** all as usual apart from get a noodle sponsorship, our board is as useless as they come and all they care about is $$$$$.

LVG will go at the end of the season supposedly, but I'm not going to give any credit whatsoever for our board because they've still ****** up this season. They should of changed the manager after christmas, there was no point in keeping him, everyone knew we had to act then to salvage anything from this season and they didn't. Same what they done with Moyes, left him in the job too long and it cost us a whole season instead of trying to salvage something.

I know I've said this like 1000 times but Woodward is a big part of the problem here, yes he does good stuff for commercial, big whoopie doo, he's as useless as a chocolate fireguard in making footballing based decisions.
 
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zzeezzy said:
**** all as usual apart from get a noodle sponsorship, our board is as useless as they come and all they care about is $$$$$.

LVG will go at the end of the season supposedly, but I'm not going to give any credit whatsoever for our board because they've still ****** up this season. They should of changed the manager after christmas, there was no point in keeping him, everyone knew we had to act then to salvage anything from this season and they didn't. Same what they done with Moyes, left him in the job too long and it cost us a whole season instead of trying to salvage something.

I know I've said this like 1000 times but Woodward is a big part of the problem here, yes he does good stuff for commercial, big whoopie doo, he's as useless as a chocolate fireguard in making footballing based decisions.
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I'm tired of you claiming that the board only cares about $$$$. You have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. I'm pretty sure Woodward doesn't get final say in how the club is run, despite what his title might suggest. There's a board of directors for a reason.

I've said it before, but who the **** would we get in after Christmas that would of instantly turned our season around? Seriously who? There is only two options I can think of. One of whom is Jose, who just led his precious Chelsea team to the relegation zone and looked like a crazy fool in the media. Would you praise the board for firing LVG, and bought in someone that berated a Physio for doing her job? Would you praise the board for firing LVG, and bought in someone that just got sacked for leading his team to the relegation zone?

The other option would be to let Giggs take over. Inexperienced and untested. I'm sure that would work out superbly for us.

You might not want to believe it, but the board of Manchester United, including Woodward, are a lot smarter than you. Stop trying to tell them how to run a football club.
 
Puddz said:
I'm tired of you claiming that the board only cares about $$$$. You have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. I'm pretty sure Woodward doesn't get final say in how the club is run, despite what his title might suggest. There's a board of directors for a reason.

I've said it before, but who the **** would we get in after Christmas that would of instantly turned our season around? Seriously who? There is only two options I can think of. One of whom is Jose, who just led his precious Chelsea team to the relegation zone and looked like a crazy fool in the media. Would you praise the board for firing LVG, and bought in someone that berated a Physio for doing her job? Would you praise the board for firing LVG, and bought in someone that just got sacked for leading his team to the relegation zone?

The other option would be to let Giggs take over. Inexperienced and untested. I'm sure that would work out superbly for us.

You might not want to believe it, but the board of Manchester United, including Woodward, are a lot smarter than you. Stop trying to tell them how to run a football club.
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Wow I'm sorry but there is no simpler way to say this than to say you're one delusional fan, you seen these performances over the last 6 months or more? 9 losses since December. Form which is similar to Newcastle and gets their manager sacked, a relegation club, here we're talking about a team that should be with the resources it has acting in a similar manner to top clubs like Madrid, Bayern Munich and Barcelona etc.

We struggle to even have a shot on target most games yet you're telling me someone like Giggs as in interim could do worse? I mean REALLY? At least he might actually give some freedom to this side and I don't know, how about some confidence/motivation rather than having a manager like LVG sitting on his **** all game?

Say what you want about Mourinho but even though I'm not his biggest fan, if LVG goes this summer it's only going to be him coming in anyway.

Also regarding your final part of the post about "stop trying to tell them how to run a football club". So fans can't have a say when their club is a shambles and is well below expectation anymore, we just accept mediocrity do we Puddz and let it continue? As a fan I can have my opinion and I'm sorry there is NOTHING AT ALL you can tell me that indicates that they are doing anything well in a football sense for United. Woodward or 'the board' (Glazers and their cronies) as you put it (fact is he Glazers and Woodward are the main decision makers on what happens, people like Fergie/Charlton/Gill are on a totally seperate ambassadorial board which doesn't get a real say into these decisions).

It's not even like they have helped us even with sticking by LVG, have they backed him at all in public? Answer is no. There is a reason, despite you not wanting to believe it, they are indecisive and it's cost United another season. Just like the Moyes season.

So all in all, the board are very smart for costing us Champions League again, well done Puddz, they are so happy people like you will continuously back them. Thinking their smart as well for lining their own pockets, what a bonus.
 
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If this style of football was being played at any other top club with similar stature/resources that has been spent on it was being shown LVG wouldn't of lasted barely 2 months (6 games), just a fact. That's the difference between a competent board at a top club and ours, when the football identity/style has been destroyed they won't accept it.

We're no better now than before any of this money was spent over last few seasons. Regardless of players who might be something in future, fact is now they are not.

What is our football identity now? Playing Rashford at Right Back and Hoof to Fellaini in the final few minutes hoping his one header will result in a goal if last game is anything to go off.
 
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zzeezzy said:
If this style of football was being played at any other top club with similar stature/resources that has been spent on it was being shown LVG wouldn't of lasted barely 2 months, just a fact. That's the difference between a competent board at a top club and ours, when the football identity/style has been destroyed they won't accept it.
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With absolutely no cause to destroy that identity that had worked for United for the last 2 decades and more. A change of 'philosophy' as he put's it was the very last thing he needed to do.

To spend £300 million or whatever it is to get to this point where you're in little to no better situation than when he took over is staggering as you say that a change has not been made a GOOD whiles back.
 
I'm the delusional fan for being logical? Believe me I hate the state the club is in right now, I just don't sprout **** like "OMG WOODWARD NEEDS TO GO HES THE MAIN REASON BEHIND THIS ALL HE CARES ABOUT IS MONEY BLAH BLAH BLAH". I know nothing of what goes on behind the scenes, nor how decisions are made or anything like that. Woodward could want to sack him but he's being out voted by the other members? I don't know. So I don't bother making judgements about people when I have zero facts.

I'm not saying Giggs can't do better. He might be the 2nd coming of Ferguson. We don't know. It's super risky. He could end up cocking our season up more than LVG and you'd be happy to take that risk?

Yeah it's going to be Jose. I would prefer Pep. But its going to be Jose, after a half year to calm the **** down from whatever was going on. Half a year to realize that his reputation of a great manager is on the brink if he ***** it up. I'm sure he's keenly aware that he needs to do well.

Lastly, Fans can say what they want. They normally do. The booing and the jeers from the fans at Old Trafford is getting the message across that the performances are unacceptable.

That last bit was directed at you and your constant need to say "WOODWARD SUCKS PLS KICK". It's like you constantly need to say that every week or something bad will happen.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
With absolutely no cause to destroy that identity that had worked for United for the last 2 decades and more. A change of 'philosophy' as he put's it was the very last thing he needed to do.

To spend £300 million or whatever it is to get to this point where you're in little to no better situation than when he took over is staggering as you say that a change has not been made a GOOD whiles back.
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Exactly, you know I find it really alarming when a Liverpool fan sees more sense on a United subject than a United fan.

I'm not having a dig at Puddz's opinion but he surely must be seeing something else to what everyone else is.
 
Puddz said:
I'm the delusional fan for being logical? Believe me I hate the state the club is in right now, I just don't sprout **** like "OMG WOODWARD NEEDS TO GO HES THE MAIN REASON BEHIND THIS ALL HE CARES ABOUT IS MONEY BLAH BLAH BLAH". I know nothing of what goes on behind the scenes, nor how decisions are made or anything like that. Woodward could want to sack him but he's being out voted by the other members? I don't know. So I don't bother making judgements about people when I have zero facts.

I'm not saying Giggs can't do better. He might be the 2nd coming of Ferguson. We don't know. It's super risky. He could end up cocking our season up more than LVG and you'd be happy to take that risk?

Yeah it's going to be Jose. I would prefer Pep. But its going to be Jose, after a half year to calm the **** down from whatever was going on. Half a year to realize that his reputation of a great manager is on the brink if he ***** it up. I'm sure he's keenly aware that he needs to do well.

Lastly, Fans can say what they want. They normally do. The booing and the jeers from the fans at Old Trafford is getting the message across that the performances are unacceptable.

That last bit was directed at you and your constant need to say "WOODWARD SUCKS PLS KICK". It's like you constantly need to say that every week or something bad will happen.
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Well the point stands, he gets sponsorships left, right and centre yet him/Glazers, the board of relevance in this decision, can't act soon enough when it matters on the football.

Look, you've got to see this from a football perspective and Giggs couldn't of cocked up this season any more than LVG was in the process of doing. Everyone knew the way we were playing was going to get us nowhere so it was silly to stick with him with the dreadful run of form as well on top of that.

One thing that really annoys me about LVG and the fact you just know things wouldn't get any better is the fact that he thinks his methods are working. He really is as delusional as they come, or how it comes across in interviews but I truly believe he is. Either that or his arrogance is just blinding him, either way it is destroying us this season.

Like I say, the next 3 games will end our season with the wrong results, all over by end of March potentially, how sad will that literally be? Knowing we could of at least acted a few months earlier and freshened things up a bit, revitalise the players a bit, at least with Giggs he would of got the place excited again, in his brief spell at end of Moyes reign he shown he he wanted to utilise the United style. It definitely wasn't a snooze fest like this is, killing any creativity or any attacking intent we may have.
 
zzeezzy said:
Exactly, you know I find it really alarming when a Liverpool fan sees more sense on a United subject than a United fan.

I'm not having a dig at Puddz's opinion but he surely must be seeing something else to what everyone else is.
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Well that's because you're the most negative person I've seen and Scouse enjoys that with United, not hard to spot by which comments he likes.

I don't know if the Glazers are deliberately feckless, or just clueless. It's irrelevant really as things have to change. But the obvious question remains: who would have taken charge if LVG had gone in december?
 
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Mike. said:
Well that's because you're the most negative person I've seen and Scouse enjoys that with United, not hard to spot by which comments he likes......
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Cheeky.

Or any other comment I like or don't. As anyone else does. Say it as I see it. Utd has nottin' to do with that. zz just happen's to point out a lot on Utd that a lot of Utd fans aren't seemingly ready to accept.

For all his perceived negativity, there's not much positive with your club at the minute TBF.
 
Mike. said:
Well that's because you're the most negative person I've seen and Scouse enjoys that with United, not hard to spot by which comments he likes.

I don't know if the Glazers are deliberately feckless, or just clueless. It's irrelevant really as things have to change But the obvious question remains: who would have taken charge if LVG had gone in december?
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I don't get this post, on one hand you call me as negative as they come then on the next section of the post you then question everything I've been questioning in my last few posts.

But anyway, I would of took Giggs, Warren Joyce, Nicky **** even, **** Fred The Red might even have a better clue. They would of got us playing with some of the United traditions again and that can't be understated. When you start playing the right way again the fans get behind you, the whole confidence level and attitude lifts, it would make Old Trafford a different place. VIRTUALLY NO ONE CAN DO WORSE THAN THE FOOTBALL UNDER LVG SURELY WHO HAS SOME COACHING CREDIBILITY, ONE SHOT ON TARGET IN A GAME?

If the United fans can at least see you are trying to play the right way and you're not getting results, you will still get a lot of backing and it will take something really really bad for them to ever turn on you. But when you see a style LVG is playing and he isn't getting results, that's why fans lose any backing of him, who can blame them though.
 
zzeezzy said:
I don't get this post, on one hand you call me as negative as they come then on the next section of the post you then question everything I've been questioning in my last few posts.

But anyway, I would of took Giggs, Warren Joyce, Nicky **** even, **** Fred The Red might even have a better clue. They would of got us playing with some of the United traditions again and that can't be understated. When you start playing the right way again the fans get behind you, the whole confidence level and attitude lifts, it would make Old Trafford a different place.

If the United fans can at least see you are trying to play the right way and you're not getting results, you will still get a lot of backing and it will take something really really bad for them to ever turn on you. But when you see a style LVG is playing and he isn't getting results, that's why fans lose any backing of him, who can blame them though.
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Great they all understand tradition. But that doesn't actually translate into being a good manager, which is what Puddz is getting at. Understanding tradition doesn't mean you actually know how to get players playing the right way, otherwise every club legend would go on to be a great manager, and we know that isn't true.

So we still havent got an actual answer as to who would have replaced him and been in a position to realisitically do better?
 
Mike. said:
Great they all understand tradition. But that doesn't actually translate into being a good manager, which is what Puddz is getting at. Understanding tradition doesn't mean you actually know how to get players playing the right way, otherwise every club legend would go on to be a great manager, and we know that isn't true.

So we still havent got an actual answer as to who would have replaced him and been in a position to realisitically do better?
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Warren Joyce with the U21's, they play some good football and he would of been fine for interim until end of season

When I saw Giggs brief spell at end of Moyes tenure I seen more to be optimistic about than I have under LVG. One thing I'd say about LVG is he usually organises the defence well, but that has gone to pot as well.

I mean what the holy smokes was them changes he made all about last game, converting to a 3 man CB and putting Carrick as a CB, absolute clueless when you are trying to get a goal, he's trying to not concede another and it backfired spectacularly. The United way is to try and score, get on the front foot, at least them coaches I mentioned would understand this.
 
Mike. said:
Great they all understand tradition. But that doesn't actually translate into being a good manager, which is what Puddz is getting at. Understanding tradition doesn't mean you actually know how to get players playing the right way, otherwise every club legend would go on to be a great manager, and we know that isn't true.

So we still havent got an actual answer as to who would have replaced him and been in a position to realisitically do better?
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What about Steve Bruce *hides*
 
zzeezzy said:
Warren Joyce with the U21's, they play some good football and he would of been fine for interim until end of season

When I saw Giggs brief spell at end of Moyes tenure I seen more to be optimistic about than I have under LVG. One thing I'd say about LVG is he usually organises the defence well, but that has gone to pot as well.

I mean what the holy smokes was them changes he made all about last game, converting to a 3 man CB and putting Carrick as a CB, absolute clueless when you are trying to get a goal, he's trying to not concede another and it backfired spectacularly.
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Giggs had what, 4 games with no pressure? and that prepares him for a half a season?

Not even close.
 
Mike. said:
Giggs had what, 4 games with no pressure? and that prepares him for a half a season?

Not even close.
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Any interim would be a gamble, but at that point sticking with LVG was just as much of one, if not more.

What did we have to lose? The same what we are losing now, only difference is that we are doing it the way where we don't even try to score in a game it seems. I don't see any identity, or what we were even trying to do in games anymore.

But if we're honest we can make all the excuses we want, no top club would of tolerated this football under LVG as long as we have. It's just nonsense to stick with football like this, anyone can see we were going nowhere with it, apart from the board.
 
zzeezzy said:
Any interim would be a gamble, but at that point sticking with LVG was just as much of one, if not more.

What did we have to lose? The same what we are losing now, only difference is that we are doing it the way where we don't even try to score in a game it seems. I don't see any identity, or what we were even trying to do in games anymore.

But if we're honest we can make all the excuses we want, no top club would of tolerated this football under LVG as long as we have. It's just nonsense to stick with football like this, anyone can see we were going nowhere with it, apart from the board.
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You still need to replace them. This is kinda key. Sacking a manager is only half the issue.
 
That's the difference between your post and mind zzezzy to answer you earlier question. Because no matter what the emotional response is, you still need to be able to rationally answer those questions.
 
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