The Manchester United Thread

[Scouseinthehouse]

..... So is Klopp whom you already see fit to elevate to the level of Shankly so I think I am allowed to say that he is not in the same league as Pep or Jose. Also Pep has proven himself in two leagues now. One more than Kloppo.

Want to tell me how many teams had a better league record than L'pool last year from his arrival October up until the Newcastle game with 5 to go when we basically geared everything toward the Europa league and started playing the under 5's every other week, thus giving a WHOLLY false impression to the final placing? For the ill-informed you can count them on less than one hand. All without signing a single one of his own players. I think that's a fair indication he's pretty sound when it comes to the EPL.

But not letting facts get in your way aside, he's had a years head start here evaluating his squad and laying down what's expected of his players and getting that understanding with them. Aside from getting used to the major difference in demands here in England that Pep, like most everyone else, will find totally different to anything else he's been used to. (WAY more less time on the training pitch through the extra games/ media demands etc. And not least no winter break to refresh.).

If you can't see any of those differences and what's in store for one and not the other I can't help you further.

But we'll DEFO revisit this come May. Not that I'm expecting much from Chelsea, but we welcome your challenge.

*Edit* And if you want to argue the toss over this mate, can we switch it over to the L'pool thread please and not take up space here. They have enough with ToD's updates on all the rumours and impending signings.

 

[Alcaraz]

Want to tell me how many teams had a better league record than L'pool last year from his arrival October up until the Newcastle game with 5 to go when we basically geared everything toward the Europa league and started playing the under 5's every other week, thus giving a WHOLLY false impression to the final placing? For the ill-informed you can count them on less than one hand. All without signing a single one of his own players. I think that's a fair indication he's pretty sound when it comes to the EPL.

But not letting facts get in your way aside, he's had a years head start here evaluating his squad and laying down what's expected of his players and getting that understanding with them. Aside from getting used to the major difference in demands here in England that Pep, like most everyone else, will find totally different to anything else he's been used to. (WAY more less time on the training pitch through the extra games/ media demands etc. And not least no winter break to refresh.).

If you can't see any of those differences and what's in store for one and not the other I can't help you further.

But we'll DEFO revisit this come May. Not that I'm expecting much from Chelsea, but we welcome your challenge.

*Edit* And if you want to argue the toss over this mate, can we switch it over to the L'pool thread please and not take up space here. They have enough with ToD's updates on all the rumours and impending signings.

And as I have always maintained, I have respect for what Klopp has done so far. Two Cup Finals despite coming in mid-season is no easy feat. I think you mean that Klopp has adapted seamlessly to the EPL which really never was a problem for a manager of his quality. Whether he will be considered a success or not will largely depend on how he does from now with a full pre-season under his belt.

Back to the orginal point of contention though, I don't think anyone can argue that Klopp is in the same tier as Mourinho or Pep. Both have achieved far more in different countries. Head-to-Head record means nought as leagues are won over 38 games and not two. Klopp may very well destroy United and City in two games but the smart money will still be on United or City winning the title which is what counts at the end of the day.

Again you can throw me all the facts you want about how Klopp battled through the odds last season and I will agree with you because my original point was Mourinho/Pep>Klopp

Also having won literally every trophy on offer in the past 4 years, I do not mind if Chelsea do not present a strong challenge next season as long as there is progress although Conte's amazing exploits at the Euro's is raising my optimism.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

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Back to the orginal point of contention though, I don't think anyone can argue that Klopp is in the same tier as Mourinho or Pep. Both have achieved far more in different countries. Head-to-Head record means nought as leagues are won over 38 games and not two. Klopp may very well destroy United and City in two games but the smart money will still be on United or City winning the title which is what counts at the end of the day..... .

So much for taking it other into the other thread, but regardless, the original point wasn't one of any contention if you'd followed the posts. It was merely a response to someone saying nobody would look forward to playing United with Zlatan and Jose, particularly at OT.

Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Alcaraz]

So much for taking it other into the other thread, but regardless, the original point wasn't one of any contention if you'd followed the posts. It was merely a response to someone saying nobody would look forward to playing United with Zlatan and Jose, particularly at OT.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Fair enough

 

[zzeezzy]

When it says after the olympics I assume that means he is joining us for next season? Not this season coming.

 

[epic terrorist]

When it says after the olympics I assume that means he is joining us for next season? Not this season coming.

Olympics is next month ain't it? So would assume it means August?

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

When it says after the olympics I assume that means he is joining us for next season? Not this season coming.

As Epic noted above mate, anyone involved would just miss the first month of this season.

 

[zzeezzy]

Olympics is next month ain't it? So would assume it means August?

As Epic noted above mate, anyone involved would just miss the first month of this season.

Oh right, cheers guys, quite an odd move, another wide player... we suddenly have an overload, someone has to be on the move surely? Either that or Jose is conveniently planning for another shitton of injuries.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

I knew he was tall but I didn't realise Zlatan was as big as 6'5.

Should be quite the aerial battle between he and Matip next year's games who's the same size.

 

[zzeezzy]

I knew he was tall but I didn't realise Zlatan was as big as 6'5.

Should be quite the aerial battle between he and Matip next year's games who's the same size.

If only David Moyes was here now, his get the ball out wide and pump it in 80 crosses in a match tactic might actually work!

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

If only David Moyes was here now, his get the ball out wide and pump it in 80 crosses in a match tactic might actually work!

Lol. The top EPL scorer next season should be a **** of a race. Zlatan's pedigree goes without saying. Kane has been right up there two years running now. Augero obviously if he stays healthy. And Sturridge has been injury free and back to full health all 2016.

There's 4 20 plus goals a season men right there.

 

[zzeezzy]

Lol. The top EPL scorer next season should be a **** of a race. Zlatan's pedigree goes without saying. Kane has been right up there two years running now. Augero obviously if he stays healthy. And Sturridge has been injury free and back to full health all 2016.

There's 4 20 plus goals a season men right there.

Yeh, next season is just unpredictable, going to be one **** of a battle. I kind of expected Arsenal to sign a top striker, but we all know what they are like with transfers.

 

[Theatre of dreams]

Manchester United– Verified account ‏@ManUtd

Making history already. We can confirm Zlatan broke #mufc power records in tests during his medical.?????? #ZlatanTime






4:30 am - 2 Jul 2016
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[Theatre of dreams]

Dortmund confirm Mkytarian to Utd



Borussia Dortmund– Verified account ‏@BVB

.@HenrikhMkh wechselt zu @ManUtd // Henrikh Mkhitaryan moves to Manchester United. Details to follow.






4:35 am - 2 Jul 2016
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[Theatre of dreams]

They seem a bit bitter


Dortmund statement on Mkhitaryan "all the best for the EPL and the Europa League next season. He decided to join 5th place English team"

 

[Theatre of dreams]

Bill Rice– ‏@billrice23

#MUFC offer for Mkhitaryan believed to be around £26m[BBC]

 

[PatrickLFC]

Who can blame them though? Doesn't matter what they do, or how well they perform, the grass (or money) is always greener elsewhere. Dortmund are an honourable club and probably just wish that their players had the same values that they do, and would show a bit more loyalty.

Great signing for United though, no doubt in my mind that you guys are a major threat again

 

[Puddz]

They seem a bit bitter


Dortmund statement on Mkhitaryan "all the best for the EPL and the Europa League next season. He decided to join 5th place English team"

They do sound a bit bitter. Kinda disrespectful as well. It's Man Utd. One of the biggest teams in the world, who have just hired one of the best managers in the world, and signed Zlatan. It's a step up from Dortmund despite no champions league.

 

[Chelski Shogun]

They seem a bit bitter


Dortmund statement on Mkhitaryan "all the best for the EPL and the Europa League next season. He decided to join 5th place English team"

It's not surprising. Dortmund did something similar when they announced Gundogan was joining City.

"Bundesliga club Borussia Dortmund and Ilkay Gundogan are set to part company this summer. The midfielder, who is currently suffering from a knee injury, will leave the eight-time German champions in a few weeks' time and join Manchester City, who finished last season's English Premier League in fourth place, on 1 July 2016."

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

They seem a bit bitter .....

Munich be happy at least.

They get to win the Bundesliga unchallenged again by default and still claim they're one of the biggest around despite failing miserably in Europe in large part down to having no league opposition.