The Manchester United Thread

[Legend Incredible]

It's not that united didn't press per say...Just weren't full committed enough to it. Sometimes we would sit off...sometimes we would press.

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[Alcaraz]

That's the point. He's actually quite quietly spoken. One of the things that Jose will aim to change about him.

Does not matter what he actually is, what matters is the perception people have of him. Depay might be the most humble person but his flash persona means majority of people think he is arrogant.

 

[Alcaraz]

Lots of footballers do it. Why is it only black footballers get pinged for it? Depay isnt even a huge earner. Pogba doesn't actually portray much at all about his personal life.

They dont open themselves up to it either. You're basically blaming the victim for people being idiots.

Don't be ridiculous and start looking for a racist angle here Mike. Tyton already gave you plenty of examples of other footballers who have gotten mocked for their appearance and subsequent non-performances on the pitch. Maybe black footballers get it worst than most because of subconscious bias from fans and media but its not like other footballers don't get it at all..

I agree with you completely. His haircuts have nothing to do with football. But by having 3 new haircuts since the season started, it gives the perception that he is arrogant and no one likes an arrogant person so people will use that as a stick to beat him with when his performances don't match up.

Its not like we do that only to celebrities. We do it in our daily lives to people all around us as well.

 

[ninjaskill]

I agree with you completely. His haircuts have nothing to do with football. But by having 3 new haircuts since the season started, it gives the perception that he is arrogant and no one likes an arrogant person so people will use that as a stick to beat him with when his performances don't match up.

Its not like we do that only to celebrities. We do it in our daily lives to people all around us as well.

You are the first person I have ever heard to use the number of hair cuts someone has had as a reason for them to be arrogant

 

[Alcaraz]

You are the first person I have ever heard to use the number of hair cuts someone has had as a reason for them to be arrogant

Well quite obviously you live under a rock then because thats exactly why the media is using that as a stick to beat him with

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Why would changing your hair make you arrogant? Genuinely not understanding the reasoning there.

I can think of a few things you could say about someone that did that regularly but arrogant wouldn't be one of them.

 

[Alcaraz]

Why would changing your hair make you arrogant? Genuinely not understanding the reasoning there.

I can think of a few things you could say about someone that did that regularly but arrogant wouldn't be one of them.

Its just a matter of semantics. The whole point is that it does not endear you to anyone.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

It's a terrible use of an adjective is what it is. Poor to generalise someone's character to that extent because they like to change their hair style.

 

[Mike.]

It's a terrible use of an adjective is what it is. Poor to generalise someone's character to that extent because they like to change their hair style.

Exactly, no one is saying he is above criticism. But using a haircut is beyond stupid. The fact that people do it on a daily basis doesn't make it any less stupid. So rather than excuse it and blame him for other people's stupidity, lets actually contribute something useful.

 

[Mike.]

Don't be ridiculous and start looking for a racist angle here Mike. Tyton already gave you plenty of examples of other footballers who have gotten mocked for their appearance and subsequent non-performances on the pitch. Maybe black footballers get it worst than most because of subconscious bias from fans and media but its not like other footballers don't get it at all..

I agree with you completely. His haircuts have nothing to do with football. But by having 3 new haircuts since the season started, it gives the perception that he is arrogant and no one likes an arrogant person so people will use that as a stick to beat him with when his performances don't match up.

Its not like we do that only to celebrities. We do it in our daily lives to people all around us as well.

You just just summed it up that they get it worse because of bias of colour. That is the essence of racism. More subtle than outright abuse, but all in the same strand my angle isn't ridiculous at all.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Anyways thinking on to Thursday vs Feyernoord what's people's thoughts on line ups? Would Like to see nearly all players rested after today's game, they was out on there feet by the 95m.


DDG
TFM-Smalling-Jones-Darmian
Schniderlin-Herrera
Memphis-Mky-Martial
Rashord

Dunno'? Just thankful I'm not looking at those trips in one of the moodyist groups I've seen in a long time.

 

[Alcaraz]

It's a terrible use of an adjective is what it is. Poor to generalise someone's character to that extent because they like to change their hair style.

Hardly. I have been very balanced in my assessment. All I said was that its gives off a negative perception which it does. Thats why the media has been quick to criticize him.

 

[Alcaraz]

You just just summed it up that they get it worse because of bias of colour. That is the essence of racism. More subtle than outright abuse, but all in the same strand my angle isn't ridiculous at all.

I said 'maybe' and you implied that only black footballers face any sort of criticism and white footballers get off scot free which is why I said your angle might be 'ridiculous'. Also I am a minoriy myself and faced my fair share of unsavoury events around the world including Britain.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Hardly. I have been very balanced in my assessment. All I said was that its gives off a negative perception which it does. Thats why the media has been quick to criticize him.

You called someone arrogant on the basis of him changing his hair.

Thats not balanced. It's a sweeping generalisation based off nothing he's said or done to warrant that.

 

[zzeezzy]

All haircuts and bs aside. It's hard to argue that Pep has made City an impressive force so far, in the first half they played some of the best football I've seen from a Premier League team in a while.

One thing that I admire about Pep, is he has balls to make big big decisions. Like being the first manager to finally realise that Yaya Toure is a lazy **** and hasn't been in the squad. He gets a strong work ethic out of his players and it is admirable. I do like Pep as a manager and do wonder whether he would of been better for us than Mourinho. It's one of them things we will have to wait and see regarding who does better in the coming season/s.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Why did we ever really think Blind was a CB? Valencia was a RB? Fellaini was ever going to be good? Lingard was going to anything better than average rotational player?

Rooney is so past it.... why the **** does he start every game... a contract clause or something because he is *****.

...... I do like Pep as a manager and do wonder whether he would of been better for us than Mourinho. It's one of them things we will have to wait and see regarding who does better in the coming season/s.

Through fan passion, which admittedly has no logical rational to begin with; you mate have to be the most schizophrenic poster there is around these here parts.

You've been buoyant and gushing about Utd with a lot of others in here the first three games, or since Jose's come in more so (which was WAY OTT praise to begin with as an observation for who you played and the stuttering manner of performancse); and then you go to the other end of the spectrum when Utd finally lose a game.

It's either 'CHAMPIONSHIP!' or the World is falling. There's no in-between.

Try staying medium on both wins and loses. It'll help your blood pressure.

 

[Mike.]

You called someone arrogant on the basis of him changing his hair.

Thats not balanced. It's a sweeping generalisation based off nothing he's said or done to warrant that.

This. Ignoring the part that he isn't arrogant, a hair style is absolutely no point of analysis.

 

[Tyton]

Mike and Scouse must have changed their hairstyle recently. Arrogant ******.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

This. Ignoring the part that he isn't arrogant, a hair style is absolutely no point of analysis.

It's barmy to be kind. And pretty darn insulting to the fella'.

I personally think it's crazy some of the fashion statement hairstyles these days with young kids. But that's their choice and the fashion of the time. But I sure as heck I don't think any less of them when I pass them in the street. More a 'yer daft ******' chuckle at worst as me nan would say but each to their own. But then I know I did a heck of a lot of daft things when I was still 23. But nothing malicious to have me branded an arrogant or worse. Just part of growing up as most everyone does.

People get so fixated with other people, who more often than not are having absolutely no baring on their lives, it's untrue.

For the media to criticise him on the field down to his changing hair, or worse brand him arrogant, is terrible journalism. And completely disingenuous to be polite.

For anyone to then read that and agree like it's a valid point say's FAR more about that person than it ever does Paul Pogba.

This whole 'debate' is utterly barmy.

 

[damola3]

All haircuts and bs aside. It's hard to argue that Pep has made City an impressive force so far, in the first half they played some of the best football I've seen from a Premier League team in a while.

One thing that I admire about Pep, is he has balls to make big big decisions. Like being the first manager to finally realise that Yaya Toure is a lazy **** and hasn't been in the squad. He gets a strong work ethic out of his players and it is admirable. I do like Pep as a manager and do wonder whether he would of been better for us than Mourinho. It's one of them things we will have to wait and see regarding who does better in the coming season/s.

I knew that Guardiola would win the game and always had his team as favourites. I don't fall for the "Guardiola is overrated" mob or "he's always had it easy". Guardiola vastly improves every team he's been at.