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Carrick is an intelligent enough player to fill in during an injury crisis imo.
100%, and has enough quality to warrant a starting place in the centre of the park too in my opinion. Forget his age, he's been our best midfielder in recent years, and it's not as if he needs pace to perform that Pirlo type role.
I recall a stat perhaps last season, maybe the one before, there was an incredible different in our win percentage with him in the team as opposed to being absent.
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Well you saw him give away that penalty at vicarage road right?
There's fellaini at CB for you. He's too ill-disciplined for that.
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I would agree with this to a certain extent. The coaches Ferguson had put in place were one of the reasons the side was so successful throughout the last 20 years they knew the players and how to get the best out of them. The lost of a whole raft of good and excellent coaches who understand the club cannot be underestimated, it is one of the reasons why Liverpool were so good in the 70'and 80's. Moyes was a little naïve in thinking replacing the setup on mass would work, especially considering the coaches he replaced them with were more use to working with mid-table players. However, he was also left with a squad of aging stars and overpaid prima-donnas who weren't up to the job and was not strong enough to either get these players to put in the effort (after all Ferguson managed to win the league in his last season with poor players) or put them out to grass.
Pep has more balls than Jose it seems, no way he would play Rooney or accommodate him somewhere he didn't fit. Just look how brutal he has been with Yaya Toure.
It's early days but I've lost my optimism for this season already, not because of Mourinho neccessarily more because of the players, they are just not working hard enough. If you want to win games and even trophies you are going to have to put in 100% effort and so far I can't see that from many players.
Scouse I did think Liverpool would struggle this season to make top 4 you're right, but not because of your style, more to do with the quality you had available. But the thing is that you actually have a style and 100% commitment from your players. That counts for more than us having better quality in our squad but them not given us 100%.
So at the moment I'd say we won't even make top 4 unless these players put a shift in, Mourinho needs to grow some balls with his selection and start dropping Rooney.
It's early days but I've lost my optimism for this season already, not because of Mourinho neccessarily more because of the players, they are just not working hard enough. If you want to win games and even trophies you are going to have to put in 100% effort and so far I can't see that from many players.
Scouse I did think Liverpool would struggle this season to make top 4 you're right, but not because of your style, more to do with the quality you had available. But the thing is that you actually have a style and 100% commitment from your players. That counts for more than us having better quality in our squad but them not given us 100%.
So at the moment I'd say we won't even make top 4 unless these players put a shift in, Mourinho needs to grow some balls with his selection and start dropping Rooney.
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There's a lot of issues at our club stemming from the last few years under Fergie imo. Lack of investment in players and squad rebuilding, causing nearly all our quality and most influential players Vidic, Giggs, Scholes, Evra, Ferdinand etc all leaving at the same time. That's a **** of a lot of experience and quality leaving when Moyes took over. He did not help himself getting rid of all the staff and defo did not help himself in the transfer windows. Then LVG took over and completely changed the everything from top to bottom staff, training, facilities etc. Then selling the likes of Nani, Rafa, RVP etc leaving us with a thin squad and then added to that the relying on youth after a mass injury crisis leaving us with no quality cover whatsoever. Not to mention the unrest in training and so on. TBH it's been a shambles since 2009 imo how it's been run. Just hope now after Woodward has learnt all aspects of his job and with Mou given time we can right the wrongs that have built up since.
I just don't get it to be honest. Moyes might have been afraid to drop Rooney. But LVG? The guy famously dropped Rivaldo the year after he won Ballon d'Or, for god's sake. And the way he cleaned United off aging deadwood was absolutely brutal. Mourinho usually doesn't **** around either. Why would two managers with long reputation of ruthlessness would be afraid to drop someone who underperforms for 3+ years straight? It makes no ******* sense.
Shambles since 2009? Why that far back?
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It's the thing that baffles me the most. If you were to pick any managers with the balls to drop Rooney they would be it. Hopefully Mou does it soon. Or at least decks him off at the end of this season.
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Jonathan Smith @jonnysmiffy 3h3 hours ago Rooney needs 3 goals to be Utd's greatest ever goalscorer. Aguero needs 34 to be City's record goalscorer. Surely it's a genuine race now.
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Don't be so sure. I consider lvg even more ruthless than pep but he seemed to still play rooney
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He needs 21, but I do get the joke. Aguero's goals to game ratio is insane for a striker in the Premier League
Also Yaya's attitude stinks from the core, any manager with some sanity would drop him for that reason alone, whereas Rooney is probably as hardworking/hungry as ever, even if age has caught up on his ability
i put my house on aguero geting to it first
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Because that's when our transfers went down hill big time imo bar maybe 3-4 players.
Buttner
Powell
Bebe
Diouf
Obertan
Owen
Henriquez
Young
Vaselli
Zaha
Kagawa
Lingergaard
I would say only Smalling, DDG, Valencia have been good signings since and maybe RVP for 1 season and Chica to a certain extent Jones has been a massive flop. Look at the players we missed out on due to Fergies no value in the market! We wasted the Ronaldo money big time.
Owen was decent for a free, provided experience and scored vital goals, Lindergaard was just a backup keeper, Young has been decent for 16 Million (especially under Ferguson) and Kagawa never got enough time in his favoured role. The rest were duds but United keep on throwing money around aimlessly and don't give players time. United haven't had an particularly attacking manager since Ferguson. They've all been cautious.
Tbf Wilf got no chance at all haha, glad to see him playing well for Palace the moment. With everything that's happened over the past few years, it just goes to show how incredible of a manager SAF really was, how he got the best out of certain individuals and made them play splendidly as a team when in hindsight, some of them have been exposed to be bang average, bewilders me. The Boss.
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I dont think Wilf has been great at Palace not consistently. SAF was great but left Moyes with a huge task and not just in replacing the man himself. Defo did not help him and Gill leaving at the same time.
Zaha has really stepped up to the plate this season in the absence of Bolasie, both him & Townsend